Ancient Copper Dragon

Creature — Elder Dragon

Flying

Whenever Ancient Copper Dragon deals combat damage to a player, roll a twenty sided die. You create a number of Treasure tokens equal to the result. (Remember that MTG spindowns are not well weight balanced, so please roll a die that isn't an MTG spindown.)

Tokens

• Treasure

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Alchemy	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (35)

wallisface on Treasure Dragons

9 hours ago

Some thoughts:

• Neither Ancient Copper Dragon nor Seething Song are Modern legal.

• Your mana curve is waaay too high, and i don’t think your limited treasure-production or cost-reducers come close to justifying it. Decks typically can’t run more than 4 cards costing 4-or-more mana without becoming extremely slow and clumsy… you’ve got a whopping 24 cards in this mana range, which makes this deck feel unplayable.

• 20 lands is super low even for a deck with a medium/standard mana curve. Even after you drastically lower your mana curve, i suspect you’ll still need to go up to 23-24ish lands minimum.

jdogz32 on izzit burn/aggro

5 days ago

Your deck is chaotic and all over the place. If your looking to be aggro you can't be adding like Ancient Copper Dragon or Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind without something like Minion of the Mighty to get them into play quickly. Alot of burn/aggro use cheap creatures like Monastery Swiftspear with prowess triggers with cheap spells like Lightning Bolt or Opt hope this helps

Azoth2099 on Kaalia, help wanted

2 weeks ago

MarioDargon

For sure, man, glad to help!

Yeah, this latest iteration is a big step forward. I think now would be a great time to discuss potential cuts.

First up, I'd definitely cut both True Conviction & Warstorm Surge under the basis that they can't be cheated out via your Commander, or retrieved from the graveyard once destroyed. Replacing them with things to streamline your strategy like Gamble, Diabolic Intent or Final Parting would be wise imo. Tutors that pair well with Reanimator are great.

Speaking of pairing well with Reanimator, I'd so recommend replacing some of your card draw pieces like Firemane Commando, Mangara, the Diplomat & perhaps even Bloodgift Demon with things that will draw you cards, ramp Treasures & feed your graveyard simultaneously upon resolution like Pirate's Pillage, Seize the Spoils & Big Score. Tectonic Reformation could also draw hella cards here, considering you're running 36 lands!

Personally I would cut both Taurean Mauler & Boros Charm for more Combo utility. Ancient Gold Dragon + Dragon Tempest will kill all of your opponents from 40 life if you roll like...a 12 or higher? I forget the math, but the fact that they're also just great cards for this Commander anyway make them worth considering. Also, I really can't overstate how powerful Ancient Copper Dragon is here, if you roll anything higher than like a 3 it gives a CRAZY advantage. Especially since you're running Revel in Riches & Hellkite Tyrant! You should just proxy it if you can't afford one lol, it's that good.

As far as getting your Commander on the field a bit faster...I'd suggest replacing Sword of the Animist with Chromatic Lantern & maybe adding a Jeweled Amulet as well.

Azoth2099 on Kaalia, help wanted

2 weeks ago

MarioDargon

Hey dude! Good Commander choice, Kaalia of the Vast has been my main {R}{B}{W} option for years now.

I'll try to keep this brief lol.

The most important thing to remember when brewing this one is to not get distracted by the possibilities of all those Angels, Demons & Dragons. Focus on card quality above all else, the Spells that are going to win you the game.

Razaketh, the Foulblooded & Vilis, Broker of Blood are the top dogs here, their power as individual cards will oftentimes win you game from sheer value. Other pieces like Rune-Scarred Demon, Burning-Rune Demon & Hoarding Broodlord will do the same if you build around them with Spells like Ephemerate & Saw in Half.

I'd also recommend more Treasure tokens! I see you're already running Smothering Tithe & Goldspan Dragon, which is a great start. Adding Ancient Copper Dragon, Cavern-Hoard Dragon, Monologue Tax, Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff & of course Dockside Extortionist will make sure that your deck doesn't necessarily need it's Commander on the field to function. There are also a few lines via Dockside Extortionist & Razaketh, the Foulblooded that deal infinite damage, produce infinite Mana and yield infinite Tutors, which we can get into later if you decide to go that route.

Wrapping up on Mana, I'd also recommend more Rituals and Rocks. Dark Ritual, Burnt Offering & Seething Song are great, as are Talisman of Hierarchy, Talisman of Conviction & Talisman of Indulgence. A Thran Dynamo could be good too. Oh man, Hellkite Tyrant can steal your opponents Rocks, which counts as Ramp I guess?

Anyway, moving on to card draw! Kaalia of the Vast runs through a lot of cards if you build her right, and keeping your hand full is a priority. Necropotence, Black Market Connections, Dark Tutelage, & Dark Confidant are great ways to turn your Life total into more gas. Esper Sentinel & Archivist of Oghma scale with your opponent's activity. None of them will do as much heavy lifting as Vilis, Broker of Blood, but that's honestly asking a lot of any card other than Ad Nauseam.

Onto the deck engine! I see you're running a few things to double down on your Commander's effect, like Aggravated Assault, Blade of Selves & Isshin, Two Heavens as One. While this strategy seems like a great idea on paper, it's actually not as efficient for the deck as it seems. Running a Reanimator strategy to ensure that the deck can continue to cheat creatures out without having to rely on it's Commander to do so is a far more powerful & consistent strategy. Spells like Entomb, Reanimate, Final Parting, Buried Alive, Victimize, Animate Dead, & Karmic Guide will pull a lot of weight in this context.

I could talk about Kaalia of the Vast all day, but I'll stop here. Let me know how you feel about these suggestions.

Also, here's my own list if you want to check it out: ANCIENT DRAGON TEMPEST (KAALIA)

Cheers!

MattN7498 on Ur-Dragon's Multiverse Onslaught | *PRIMER*

2 months ago

Willen

1. "Depends on opponents" so already probably not. If I'm not getting Old Gnawbone or Ancient Copper Dragon numbers of treasure out every point I don't want it if I have to pay 6+ mana. Sure it can be reduced but if an opponent has that many artifacts, you're probably not in a good spot anyway to where this dragon would change that.

2. Rhystic Study is just a better draw spell. Card suffers the same problem as Rishkar's Expertise. If they kill the big dragon, you draw so few cards. Spending 8 mana to draw a few cards and put a few creatures into play with this deck is basically almost the same thing as casting them normally unless you get the expensive dragons.

3. Thrakkus is good because he can make having few dragons very threatening. Klauth is cool but I've never had a spot for him. Greater Good is one of the best cards for drawing/fueling reanimator.

4. If Birds of Paradise is bad, adding uncounterable to only legends which isn't a good majority of the dragons, doesn't move the needle for me with this card.

Azoth2099 on 5C Dragon Value Tribal

2 months ago

coloneldark

Oi!

Some synergies to consider: Cryptic Gateway, Ruby Medallion, Emerald Medallion, Nogi, Draco-Zealot, Sarkhan, Soul Aflame, Taigam, Ojutai Master, Guardian Project, Toski, Bearer of Secrets, Steely Resolve, Thornscape Familiar, Ancient Copper Dragon, Goldspan Dragon, Cavern-Hoard Dragon, Terror of the Peaks, Scion of the Ur-Dragon

I know most of these aren't Dragon's but when you're trying to quickly fill the field with a bunch of big ole chonkers, you need cost reduction and Ramp! I'd also recommend more Rocks and Dorks to that end, as well as a few {R} and/or {B} rituals. I could easily see this build being overwhelmingly threatening within the first 5 turns of the game if tweaked a bit.

Willen on Ur-Dragon's Multiverse Onslaught | *PRIMER*

2 months ago

Oh... Hello there. I just want to talk about some experiences with new cards and some returned creatures. Obviously counting with my playgroup as experience.

First of all, I want to talk about how Cavern-Hoard Dragon is absurd. However the original CMC be like 9 mana, it's incredible how easy and powerfull it can be casted in early or midgame, depending of your opponents of course. Can be another ramp source and damage dealer with Old Gnawbone and Ancient Copper Dragon. In my case, I switched Immersturm Predator for it, because Predator hardly can take care of your battlefield without a creature, or even if your oponent manages to protect their target card in graveyard.

Another change that was added is Last March of the Ents. Almost all dragons have toughness around 4 or more. And this spell was like a finisher, because it cannot be negated, and if you have only a dragon 4/4, it will draw 4 cards for you and drop any number of creatures from your hand to battlefield. It's absolutely insane. I changed O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami for this. I feel this dragon still powerfull, but it's just a target of Tiamat effect, and now we have new powerfull choices to use. Not to mention the need to have haste to give O-Kagachi full potention.

Well, another choices to add or remove that I did: Thrakkus the Butcher -> Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient (Thrakkus was realy unneeded, because swing with my dragons basically end games, just with their original powers. Klauth provides mana correction and ramp based in my dragon's attacks) Greater Good -> Ancient Gold Dragon (This change was more a test than anything, but AGD provides a good sinergy with Last March of Ents, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of Peaks, and creates good blockers. I realy liked the change).

Mana base: I use now all the fetch lands, shock, some triomas and some goodstuffs to ramp and filter cards in the deck.

Maybe, just maybe... Delighted Halfling? Just thinking...

Well, this is just a report of tests and changes in my deck, because is very similar of yours. I want to know how is your opinion about, and what think could be useful or not to us, the biggest dragon deck users of TappedOut hahaha And I want to contribute more here, so that's it... See ya

Azoth2099 on Kaalia's Treasure Trove

3 months ago

lhetrick13

Nice Kaalia of the Vast list! Loving some of these picks, like Rune-Scarred Demon, Burning-Rune Demon, Vilis, Broker of Blood, Hoarding Broodlord & Ancient Copper Dragon.

I've found that a mix of Reanimator and Stax is the best way to not only keep the deck from being overtaken, but to also increase it's resiliency & reduce it's reliance on it's Commander cheating Creatures into play to get the wheels spinning, as the deck itself cheats them into play intrinsically with the Commander's effect adding extra spice for a very focused yet multipronged strategy. Far more powerful & consistent than doubling up on triggers as a deck philosophy imo.

Underworld Breach, Entomb, Buried Alive, Unmarked Grave, Persist, Reanimate, & Final Parting are all crazy good in this context. Certain key Stax pieces like Opposition Agent, Dauthi Voidwalker, Drannith Magistrate & Grand Abolisher will stop whatever your opponents are trying to do while you advance.

Razaketh, the Foulblooded is way too good not to include in the list, though. It's synergy with Dockside Extortionist can straight up win you the game immediately if you have enough life to pay for combo assembly in this theoretical Reanimator build. I'd also recommend Ancient Gold Dragon, as it gives you insane board pressure in addition to nuking everyone in conjunction with Dragon Tempest. Sneak Attack is also empowered in this Reanimator approach, especially with the emphasis on ETBs.

I think the deck needs a bit more card draw & Tutors, though, especially for the budget. Vampiric Tutor, Enlightened Tutor & Gamble just got reprinted, so they're decently cheap right now. Scroll Rack, Sensei's Divining Top, Esper Sentinel, Archivist of Oghma, Dark Confidant, Dark Tutelage & of course Necropotence are worth consideration. Tectonic Reformation could also be very powerful here considering how many lands you're running. Cards like Valakut Awakening  ^Flip & Into the Fire can be deceptively powerful with other utility outside of just drawing cards.

Lastly, I'd recommend both Mother of Runes & Giver of Runes. Excellent protection.