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Mass Hysteria Discussion
5 days ago
Ok, here because of you Cyclonic Rift vs. Omniscience post. Now, first off, why no extra combat spells?
Now, on to suggestions. I'll try to break it down by category and keep things budget friendly.
Ramp: Run LOTS more. Pentad Prism is the only 2 drop mana rock that'll net +2 different colored mana in the same turn (albeit, once). Fellwar Stone , Worn Powerstone , Coalition Relic , and Basalt Monolith are worth running also. Crystal Vein is handy in a pinch as well.
Defense: Smoke is worth its weight in gold here and 100% deserves a spot.
Feel free to check out my list for ideas (especially for extra combats). Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Narset, American Beauty
5 days ago
zAzen7977 I would start with 2 Mass Hysteria and see how that feels. The Archon of Cruelty helps offset the life loss from Thoughtseize , but Grief does have a body if you get hit with graveyard hate or can't get your main strategy working. I'm going to go with Thoughtseize for this one.
6 days ago
Do you find that Mass Hysteria obstructs your hand during the mid/late game? That’s why I’m reluctant to run it. I’ve tried running haste enablers in other builds (like Dragon Tempest ) and they seem useful at first, but then I find them to be a hinderance after the early turns.
I am considering sticking in a couple Grief to offset Thoughtseize , to minimize life-loss. Plus it may come in handy to reanimate later. But I don’t have room for Ephemerate , so I don’t know if Grief is worth it without the combo.
All this discarding goes really well with Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger . I’ve been trying to make room for a couple, but I don’t know if Kroxa is a “Non-bo” in this build, since I need to be able to exile the cards in my graveyard to pay for its escape cost, but I also need creatures in my graveyard to reanimate.
I’d like to hear your thoughts!
6 days ago
Mass Hysteria is an interesting option, I will test it out to see how I like it.
Damn is a definite inclusion. Thrilling Discovery is an amazing way to dig through the deck while simultaneously gaining life and discarding cards. I think it’s worth running Red just for that, but Wear / Tear and the boost to Prismatic Ending is a plus. Collective Brutality and Bone Shards discard cards, but this deck desperately needs more card draw that Discovery provides. Esper is a good solution for this card-draw problem and I like Gifts Ungiven , but I personally favor a lean mana base of 21-22 lands, and Gifts is expensive mana-wise to cast consistently with this lean mana base. But it boils down to personal preference.
1 week ago
I've tested a similar deck (that I really should go back to and run some more), and I recommend Mass Hysteria . If you cast it at the right time, it's easy to follow up with Priest of Fell Rites into Archon of Cruelty into attacking with minimal risk. If you have the money, Grief is another option.
My deck is Modern Reanimator, second draft, if you want to take a look and get thoughts or offer suggestions.
4 weeks ago
Pikobyte I'm going to my LGS today to pick up Xenagos, the Reveler , Minds Aglow , Mass Hysteria , Guardian Augmenter , Whirlpool Warrior , and Spellskite . I think all of these are going to be great additions to this deck for the time being until I can find another Phyrexian Altar to slot in. I have one in Resurrection Insurrection but can't justify pulling out to put into Wheely Snakes just yet, I'd like to playtest with it first. Xenagos will replace Fevered Visions . I feel like the mana advantage that Xenagos will provide outweighs the extra card draw and 2 damage. I rarely play Fevered Visions anyway, I usually get it later in a game and have no need for the forced card draw since I'm usually wheeling by t4 t5 or t6. Minds Aglow will replace Prosperity, because exactly what you said in a previous comment. Mass Hysteria will replace Temur Ascendancy . It's easier to cast, and is the same haste enabler. I only have 4 creatures that would even trigger the 2nd ability of Temur Ascendancy so its gotta go! Guardian Augmenter and Spellskite will replace Niv-Mizzet, Parun and Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind . The Niv-Mizzets are hard to cast so I find more often than not, I don't cast them because I have a better option in hand that isn't going to cost nearly as much to cast. They are great when they are on the field, but I feel like protection and +2/+2 for Xyris is going to benefit me more often than the Nivs would. Lastly, I think Whirlpool Warrior is going to replace either Psychosis Crawler or Tribute to the Wild . Both are good in their own right. Psychosis crawler can be massive after a wheel or 2 and can put down some serious damage and Tribute to the wild is just fun, especially if an opponent's only artifact or enchantment is a combo or deck engine piece. Thats going to be the hardest cut decision on this round. Thank you again for your suggestions!
4 weeks ago
lagotripha I was gonna respond days ago but I got into a lot of testing. I wasn't happy with the combo version until I gave it a complete overhaul, otherwise it just seemed slower and clunkier. So I made a separate combo version instead: Gruul Infect Combo. I did throw a Mass Hysteria in the sideboard of this version for fun.
It seems to playtest alright. There's a faster option ( Mishra's Bauble + Assault Strobe ) and a slower option ( Season of Growth + Temur Battle Rage ). Season of Growth is slow but can draw so many cards, at which point you usually end up with a lot of mana and Temur Battle Rage makes sense.
I've also cleaned up this version of the deck by deciding which cards I want 4-of and 2-of rather than having 3-ofs across the board. Due to my constant indecision I've ended up with this version, the combo version, the casual version: Gruul Infect (Casual), and the casual tryhard version: Gruul Infect (Casual Tryhard).
Let me know what you think about any of em, I'm pretty happy with how they all ended up. I think I prefer this version and the casual version over the combo and tryhard ones, but it's still up in the air.
1 month ago
I like this, but it feels like its leaning a little too close to the blue version. Red's easy access to haste and power multiplication options should let it place it differently in the metagame to U/G infect.
Have you considered Mass Hysteria ? It isn't direct P/T, but it lets creatures exist in your hand instead of the board, offering protection against a lot of the spot removal infect must trade with. With a '3 mana kill' from strobe/scale/elf, 'go wide' lines off multiple heirachs, it would play a lot closer to a combo list against creatureless setups while still playing similar against creatures.