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Creature — Bird
When Sage Owl enters the battlefield, look at the top four cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
5 months ago
I love this idea.
There's a roundabout way to maneuver unwanted cards out of your way on your library, using Mindshrieker. It's at instant speed, and while you can use it for attacking/blocking, you can self-mill to cut out an unwanted card you foresaw with Index.
Having a Cloudfin Raptor would also quickly become an annoyance for your opponents, as it is an early game flyer that grows as you do, and if your opponent kills it, easy fodder for your Stitched Drake.
Quick flyers with card draw include Sage Owl, Augury Owl, and Palace Familiar. I'm suggesting a lot of birds. If you do add more birds to the deck, you can use Airborne Aid for card draw. It's a tough sell, but Monastery Flock is a higher CMC alternative to Fog Bank that benefits as a bird?
Only Instant I can think of for this would be Deluge.
Lastly this doesn't help with card draw or advantage, but Flood would control your opponent until the Leviathan showed up. Best of luck!
10 months ago
Just to not clutter up azja's feed, I'll give my input to the questions you asked. I'm no azja, so I can't answer for them, this is just my educated guessing.
Capture of Jingzhou is rather expensive, and it's easier to just run something like Time Warp over it. But for Karn's Temporal Sundering, it domes for 1 more when it's a trigger off Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, and it has a Void Snare attached to it, which could clear out some other problem like Platinum Angel (niche example, but gets the point across), or put a ninja back into your hand so you can ninjutsu it out on the extra turn.
Kaito Shizuki requires further testing. in most cases, it's 3 mana for a single unblockable ninja token and a filter the following turn. You'll hardly ever even want to get the emblem due to trying to win through Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow triggers utilizing small ninjas and not cheating out something big. It's more beneficial to have ninjutsu creatures in your hand so you can get them to hit an opponent utilizing an enabler rather than trying to find some way to deal combat damage with a rather lackluster attacking ninja.
Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow enablers want to b as cheap as possible. There's a HUGE fall-off from having a 1 CMC enabler to having a 2 CMC enabler to where that extra mana, and delaying Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow from hitting someone turn 2 better be a big payoff. Faerie Seer and Spectral Sailor are both 1 CMC enablers, and flying is generally scarce enough early game to where it effectively says "unblockable". Wingcrafter is a way to grant Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow flying so she can activate her own ability fairly reliably, it also let's you cycle ninjas out by giving one flying, and using ninjutsu shenanigans to keep more expendable ninjas on the board. Example, you could have it paired with a Skullsnatcher, swing it in, ninjutsu it out for a Fallen Shinobi, then after damage (after the triggers and before combat is over) ninjutsu the Skullsnatcher back in so that the Fallen Shinobi can stay a little safer in your hand. Augury Owl Sage Owl being able to see 3/4 cards into your library helps set up a big Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow play, or can at least give u information to see if you'll get answers to threats or if you need to crack a fetch as you nothing coming up and need to refuel, etc. That extra digging and set-up is basically a Sensei's Divining Top activation, but on an enabler body.
There's no instant-win combo in the deck because azja doesnt like them. "But I don't really enjoy playing combo decks, so I've opted to not include the aforementioned Demonic Consultation & Thassa's Oracle combo.". Having said that, Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow is typically a really fast agro deck. It will have the general agro problems of puttering out if faced with a deck that has enough lifegain and board wipes. But that deck was also designed more in the cEDH realm, so if a game is going longer than 6 turns, the super control deck is probably going to win anyways. As for trying to throw in more alternate win-cons, you usually want to avoid that. If you need multiple cards for an alternate win-con and they cards otherwise could either be dead, or put you behind in your initial game plan, they are just a hinderance in cEDH. Every individual card needs to be doing something to push you further. You can't have dead combo pieces in hand when you have 5-turn games. Thassa's Oracle is more often than not a dead card in decklists like this. You need a deck build around what it wants you to do, otherwise it's just a 1/3 for 2 mana, and Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow really doesn't need that baggage.
Scheming Symmetry isn't really a "play and win" card, it's just another 1 CMC top deck manipulation card. It also works REALLY well if you have something like Fallen Shinobi in hand, waiting to hit the person you just let search their library.
"Also, would avoiding the enters tapped lands be better? E.G. Drowned Catacomb, Mystic Sanctuary, Sunken Hollow be far better as say City of Brass, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, River of Tears, Etc.?" River of Tears is a bad card to try and deal with when you're running on a really low curve. If you play it turn 1, it adds B, so you can't play your 1 CMC enablers aside from Gingerbrute. If you play an island turn 1, and River of Tears turn 2, you now have double blue on turn 3 with no black, and if you play a black mana land, you now have double black and only one blue. If you need the double blue and a black, you would need to tap it before playing a land, but doing something like that makes it so you can't use it for ninjutsu. It's just a hassle of a land and adds too much to keep track up when there's already a lot that's going on in an EDH game. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is basically just a swamp. City of Brass would generally be a good include though, assuming you're ok with the price tag and games aren't typically decided by 4 life. Drowned Catacomb will generally always come in untapped if you play right due to the amount of fetches. Mystic Sanctuary will generally come in untapped in a deck this heavily blue, and the upside of being able to recur an answer or even a big spell that Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow can trigger with makes the chance of it coming in tapped irrelevant. Sunken Hollow is the worst offender of the 3, but it still has the basic land typing, so it can be fetched. And that upside is generally enough to warrant including it.
10 months ago
Couple early questions if you don't mind. Let me know if I'm a bother :) My Yuri Deck
You have 15 enablers, I read the notes on them, couple questions. What's the critical mass on this, like would 10 be deterimental. When I did a rough pull in had the following questions:
Kaito Shizuki thoughts? I'm worried that the CMC3 for the -2 is the wrong tempo/timing, but, he does come in, make a unblockable, then phase out to also get the draw next turn. If you don't need the unblockable, it's draw 2 for CMC3, tough to see hitting his ultimate at 7. 3CMC planeswalker are usually good, some I'm tempted to think this one will be too? But I have no play experience on this deck.
I just can't get my head around the flying evasion guys though, Faerie Seer, Spectral Sailor, Wingcrafter, Augury Owl, Sage Owl. They feel "sub-optimal" to me and difficult to include, but as I said what's the critical mass here? I was considering Baleful Strix in the 2CMC drop, just because he replaces himself in hand (which may just be discarded anyway, but looting never that bad anyway), with deathtouch less likely to be blocked by flying/reach, and he can be an effective (deathtouch) defender.
I've roughed in "12" for the timebeing.
Honestly my first thought was this is a turbo-draw to tutor, fish-pact/fish-consul strategy. I was looking at Tatsunari, Toad Rider instead, but I think I like "big splashy spells" more than the aristocrats method. So that got me thinking, what the heck do I win with, is this viable or am I off-base here:
Tertiary Maverick 'Turn and Burn': Temporal Trespass, Temporal Mastery, Temporal Manipulation, Capture of Jingzhou with perhaps something like Sea Gate Restoration Flip or Dig Through Time as possible damage enablers in addition to the 'turn'.
I skipped Secondary intentionally, is there no room here for a Doomsday? I can think of multiple stacks with varied CMC, E.G. if devotion to blue 3 + Doomsday + Thassa's Oracle (BBBUU) is a win, if you don't have Thassa's Oracle, somethig like Doomsday + Gitaxian Probe/Street Wraith into a Night's Whisper or something could be around CMC7, Gush kinda useless here for a CMC3 (BBB) stack.
Thoughts on that? I see you intentionally don't run the fish, but this seems viable for this deck?
For Scheming Symmetry doesn't the player just pull a counterspell to stop your win, does it really "win on the spot", if you have to pass it feels useless, but with Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion or Opposition Agent it does work. Reliability? I "should"? run it?
Has Mutavault been enough value for a possible swing vs. the downside of the colorless mana? It dodges board wipe and is a ninja, so kinda-of makes sense to me, but I'm on the fence?
I do have TOO MANY potential colorless mana Ancient Tomb, Gemstone Caverns, Reliquary Tower, Strip Mine. I feel like Reliquary Tower is a trap and I should remove, where I feel like, what's my strategy vs. a Glacial Chasm or Maze of Ith.
It's still a work in progress, I think I need more Ninjas then I have, still evaluating them one by one, and trying to figure out what each tutor gets me, but first I need to know what my win-con plans are to know what i'm looking for!
Thanks for any feedback you can provide.
1 year ago
Augury Owl Aven Mindcensor Battlefield Raptor Healer's Flock Healer's Hawk Nimble Obstructionist Sage Owl Wingmate Roc. All of these are really good birds that I've seen or have. Wingate Roc is an amazing card in a lot of decks but super good in this build as it's two big pigeons in one card.
1 year ago
Ok so I didn't check to see if any of these were in the deck already but... here's my list of suggestions!
It's a lot of cards so...
- Imperial Seal
- Personal Tutor
- Vampiric Tutor
- Liliana Vess
- Cruel Tutor
- Diabolic Vision
- Nephalia Academy
- Library of Leng
- Aqueous Form
- Ashiok, Dream Render
- Augury Owl
- Baleful Mastery
- Bolas's Citadel
- Cabal Coffers
- Castle Vantress
- Commit / Memory
- Connive / Concoct
- Curse of the Cabal
- Darksteel Pendant
- Dauthi Voidwalker
- Deadly Rollick
- Devastation Tide
- Dig Through Time
- Discovery / Dispersal
- Far / Away
- Fierce Guardianship
- Force of Will
- Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar
- Gudul Lurker
- Into the Story
- Invisible Stalker
- Jace, the Mind Sculptor
- Key to the City
- Krydle of Baldur's Gate
- Looter il-Kor
- Mist-Cloaked Herald
- Murderous Cut
- Nether Traitor
- Never / Return
- Nexus of Fate
- Opposition Agent
- Phantom Ninja
- Rags / Riches
- Rogue Class
- Sage Owl
- Scroll Rack
- Sea Gate Restoration Flip
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Siren Stormtamer
- Spire Owl
- Spite / Malice
- Strionic Resonator
- Temporal Trespass
- Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
- Thalakos Seer
- The Cauldron of Eternity
- The Magic Mirror
- Thespian's Stage
- Tormented Soul
- Treasure Cruise
- Triton Shorestalker
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire
- Whispersilk Cloak
- Deserted Temple
- Taigam's Scheming
Again some of these may be cut worthy but off the cuff this is what I came up with. Also I didn't include any ninjas... I figure they are easy enough to find
1 year ago
@Snake57 Sounds like you've got a good plan!
If your group is okay with proxies, then I would definitely add Mana Crypt , Mana Drain and all of the zendikar fetches. If not, I would actually prioritize getting the fetches first. They drastically improve the cards Sage Owl , Spire Owl , Scroll Rack , Sensei's Divining Top , Brainstorm (and probably even more that I'm forgetting!) because you can fetch to shuffle away cards that aren't useful.
Also, I think Yuriko is no longer a ninja once she's enchanted by Song of the Dryads , so Walker of Secret Ways wouldn't be able to bounce her. Although I still agree that you can cut Azra Smokeshaper for it.
Mystic Reflection seems pretty strong. Like you mentioned, it turns an enabler into one of your ninjas, or the next best creature on the board.
I'm a bit skeptical about Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire . It has to survive at least one turn around the table to attack and costs a combined 5 mana. I would suggest Cruel Tutor instead if you feel like you're lacking topdeck manipulation.
Hullbreacher is insanely powerful, especially if your playgroup plays a lot of wheels. I still have to get my hands on one, but the even harder part is what to cut for it :')
Maskwood Nexus definitely replaces Conspiracy and Xenograft for any Yuriko lists who have them. But like you said, 4 mana is pretty slow. Plus it isn't blue, so you can't pitch it to Force of Will like Arcane Adaptation or Unnatural Selection .
I think Karn's Temporal Sundering is stronger than Alrund's Epiphany because it costs one (or two) less mana and bounces a potential blocker. Plus if you foretell it, it's not in your hand to pitch to Force of Will effects. And if your playgroup is familiar with your deck, they know exactly which card you foretold.
Thanks again for the feedback and suggestions! I really appreciate talking Yuriko with someone else who's super invested!
1 year ago
2 years ago
gvcortez2588 Thanks for leaving a suggestion! I actually had Cloud of Faeries in the original decklist, but after some playtesting I found that it was unusual for me to have 2 mana leftover to recast Cloud of Faeries after using ninjutsu in the early turns of the game. My rule of thumb for 2 drops is that they aren't good enough unless they manipulate the top of your library like Sage Owl does, or gives evasion like Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive.