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You may discard an Island card and another card rather than pay Foil's mana cost.
Counter target spell.
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1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Always nice to see another Talrand user. Some cards to note...
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Learn from the Past - Costs too much for what it does
Gauntlet of Power - Double mana is nice, but caged sun and extraplanar lens feel like it's good enough. You don't want to help your opponents.
Mana Crypt - Really helpful early game, weak mid-late game. Unless you have a combo/polymorph package you are trying to rush into, it doesn't seem to do much.
Scroll Rack - Great card, but should be replace with a counter spells or actual draw.
Jace's Phantasm - See no purpose of this
Solemn Simulacrum - Cool robot, you can keep him if you like, but it's best to tapping out for creatures unless their good. yes robot ramps you and one time card draw, but a Dismiss could easily replace this.
Wurmcoil Engine - Same argument for above.
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Extra turn cards like Capture of Jingzhou, Part the Waterveil, Plea for Power, Temporal Manipulation, Time Stretch and more are very useful. Talrand Turn 4, exta turn card turn 5, get drake and end turn. Next turn, you have a drake "with haste" and "ramp", something blue struggles with.
Arcane Denial - Hard counterspell for 2
Memory Lapse - Same as above, works well with the next card...
Isochron Scepter - Imprint any 2 CMC counterspells
Muddle the Mixture - Good on it's own, not bad as a tutor.
Rewind - Hold up...
Remand - 2cmc counterspell
Ancestral Vision - Favorite turn 1 play (although still good mid-late game)
Torrential Gearhulk - Snapcaster's older brother (note it only works on instants)
Kindred Discovery - Talrand out, cast a spell, get a drake, drake etb draws me a card, to cast another spell....
As Foretold - NOTE: EACH TURN!!!
Overburden - Slow down ramping decks. Also allows you to reuse an island if you missed a land drop
3 weeks ago
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2 months ago
These are the cards above 10 dollars and what to include instead:
- Exploration can be changed for Burgeoning, but Exploration is more explosive since it lets you also cast a one mana creature on turn one and attack with it on turn two, drawing a card.
- Temporal Manipulation can be changed for Part the Waterveil
- Time Warp is very importart, I would recommend you buying it (I'm saving for Capture of Jingzhou since 5 mana take a turn are crucial for going off), but if you are short on money Temporal Trespass may do the trick
- Gaea's Cradle can be replaced with Boreal Druid. Don't use Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, since it is too slow. Remember to take out Crop Rotation
- Flusterstorm can be replaced with some other cheap counterspell, maybe Mana Leak, Disdainful Stroke or Swan Song (beware: the bird token blocking your flying creatures is very annoying)
- Force of Will can be replaced with Foil, specially since you will have more basics by taking out fetches. Abjure is another good option.
- Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt and Mana Crypt: fast mana is really important for this deck, maybe Elvish Spirit Guide can replace one, also try Druids' Repository and Nature's Will (specially if there is stax in your meta.
Regarding the mana base, just take of all the fetches, shocks and Cavern of Souls (its not that important) and replace them with duals lands that come into place untapped, like Reflecting Pool and Exotic Orchard (this is very important). If you don't find lands that come into play untapped, just play basics, a high basic land count its actually a good thing since Elvish Pioneer on turn one is one of your more explosive hands (it lets you cast Edric on turn two and attack with a creature).
This is a very "all in" version of the deck. Maybe a budget friendly version could try to be more resilient and run cards like Coastal Piracy, Bident of Thassa and more ways of protecting your creatures from wrath effects, Wrap in Vigor, Chasm Skulker, Hangarback Walker, Whisperwood Elemental, Foundry of the Consuls, Faerie Conclave are just some that come to mind.
This deck started as a budget one, and it did very well then :) it does improve with expensive cards, but not as much as you would think.
Best of luck! Upload yours when you build it and let me know of the results.
2 months ago
So I recently built a Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind deck as well, but mine is more focused on combos than control. Looking at your deck gave me a few ideas for my deck (I plan on adding Molten Psyche and Serum Visions soon), so maybe looking at my deck will help? Anyway, a few suggestions:
Foil is a great budget Force of Will.Dismiss is fantastic in Mizzet, since you counter a spell and draw a card (Arcane Denial works too, but you help your opponent as well).Forbid can be really powerful once you get your draw engine up and running.And Confirm Suspicions effectively reads as counter target spell, draw three cards once you've hit late game.
Hope I was useful to some degree!
2 months ago
Thanks for the suggestions Mandalorian. Here are my reasons for not playing the cards suggested. Please keep in mind this is from the perspective of a competitive environment. I have tried all of the cards recommended minus Docent, Supreme Inqusitior, and Sphinx's Tutelage at some point during my time playing Azami.
Riptide Laboratory is basically tap three, save a wizard. The only Wizard I'm really looking to save is Azami. I rather save her by countering the spell or in another method. Usually three mana is enough to counter the spell rather than bouncing it and replaying it next turn for 5. It pairs nice with some of the other enter the battlefield wizards, but most of the time I rather have an island. The deck is blue hungry.
Docent of Perfection Flip is too slow. If I'm casting anything that is at 5/6 CMC, I'm looking to win that turn. Docent alone doesn't do anything, I need to have multiple wizards and resort to a beat down plan that won't be able to kill three players at once on the same turn. Also need a spell to follow up on to flip. If I played one of the three other win cons, we'd just win on the spot under the same conditions as Docent. (Resolve card, play spell, win.)
Palinchron is along the same lines as Docent, too expensive and dead on its own. It also needs an infinite mana outlet to win the game. It's also too expensive and doesn't win on the spot like the other combos. With Gauntlet, Extraplanar or High Tide, it's still a three card combo because it needs an infinite mana outlet. Gauntlet of Power and Extraplanar Lens are too mutually beneficial and will most likely help the opponents win more than it helps me. I have to spend the 3-5 mana to play it and have to pass the turn. I could play snow covered lands, but even so it's 50/50 my opponents are as well. I also don't need the infinite storm to win and there's no current outlet for it. (Not a fan of three card combos that don't include a card from the command zone.)
Patron Wizard comes in and out of the list. I find between the UUU cost, the need to have other wizards in play, and the fact my other wizards tap for their own effects an issue. Supreme Inquisitor takes up the same slot for where I would rather play Azami. Issue is that it's a slot in my hand and not the command zone.
Tolaria West grabs a rock, another land, or a pact of negation. I'm super sad when I have this in my hand and not just a come into play untapped land. I tried for a while, but never used the transmute on it and almost always just preferred a island.
Forbid is not a good counterspell compared to what and how many we run already. The buyback won't get used since the two cards we're most likely pitching to it will be two other counterspells. Might as well use one of the other counters.
Foil is too expensive if we don't use the free clause. Discarding an island and another card makes this number 5 on the free counterspell list. I think the four we run is sufficient.
Daze will almost always get paid for. It's too risky to count on the opponent not having one extra mana to pay for it. It's good for 1vs1 legacy where mana is tight. But for CEDH where there's four players, spending two mana or returning an island to ask the opponent to pay one more is risky.
Sphinx's Tutelage is not good for the competitive meta where decks like Gitfrog and Renanimator are popular. Even without these decks, it's slow, you're not drawing enough cards to mill everyone to death. If you're looking to play this and draw your deck to kill with wizards, you'd probably rather draw your win con and win for sure all at once.
Capsize is a bounce spell that comes after chain of vapor, cyclonic rift, and into the roil. It's better when you have infinite mana, which this deck doesn't have. If I needed another bounce spell, I would add this after I add Chain of Vapor.