Take an extra turn after this one.
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Temporal Manipulation occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
Temporal Manipulation Discussion
1 day ago
I'm honestly wanting the Temur one.
I've tried so many times to build a Riku of Two Reflections deck, but the unbelievable amount of mana you need to take full advantage of him is bonkers.
1 week ago
If the generic mana is too high or there are too many phyrexian mana symbols (I do not think a card exists with more than 2 total phyrexian mana symbols currently), the card is not very good. The problem besides the color pie (a pretty big problem), is that phyrexian mana makes cards impossible to balance.
Lets take Temporal Flux that costs and compare it with its non-phyrexian brother Temporal Manipulation.
If you pay and 6 life, Flux is pretty bonkers and broken in half. Can you imagine this card in monored aggro?
If you pay and 4 life, Flux is still better than Manipulation. If you pay and 2 life or , Flux is worse than Manipulation.
So, there is no point in mana cost where these cards are actually comparable. Phyrexian mana makes cards either significatly better or significally worse than their non-phyrexian counterparts.
1 week ago
Now that Phyrexian mana exists, I feel that WotC has not truly used that mechanic to its fullest potential, so I shall make some Phyrexianized versions of existing cards, and I hope that everyone likes them.
Praetor's Disdain Show
Counter target spell.
Praetor's Scorn Show
Destroy target nonland permanent.
Thus far, there has never been a card that uses multiple colors of Phyrexian mana, so I have made such a card, which is modeled after Utter End, but it only destroys a permanent, rather than exiling it, to prevent it from being strictly better than the other card. Alternatively, I could increase the cost to and keep it as an exile effect.
Praetor's Spite Show
Target player reveals their hand; you choose a nonland card from it and that player discards that card.
Praetor's Shield Show
, the next time that a source of your choice would deal damage to you this turn, prevent that damage.
This card is modeled after Righteous Aura, and I was originally planning to have the casting cost be only , but I increased it to prevent it from being too powerful. I am not worried about the activated ability being capable of being used for no mana, because a player will not pay 4 life unless the source of damage that they wish to prevent will deal at least 4 damage.
Phyrexian Replicator Show
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.
This card is obviously modeled after Doubling Season, but I increased the cost to prevent it from being strictly better than that card.
Phyrexian Purge Show
Destroy all nonland permanents.
This card is modeled after Planar Cleansing, and I am not worried about its casting cost, because I made it very mana-intensive; a player will pay 8 life to cast it only if they are very desperate.
Phyrexian Grimoire Show
: draw a card.
This card is modeled after both Greed and Book of Rass (which, as a side note, really needs to be reprinted), so its casting cost is between the costs of those two cards. Its controller can draw cards for no mana, but 4 life is a high price for a single card.
Temporal Flux Show
Target player takes an extra turn after this one.
I could not conceive of an impressive name for this card that contained the word "Phyrexian," so I used a name that had not yet been used for a card. I modeled it after Time Warp and Temporal Manipulation, but I increased its cost to prevent it from being strictly better than them.
Gitaxian Tome Show
,: draw a card.
Phrexian Blueprints Show
: draw a card.
This card references Urza's Blueprints, and its overall cost is lower, because I feel that, if that card had been printed today, it would be less expensive due to power creep.
Phrexian Amulet Show
,: you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
This card is modeled after Quicksilver amulet.
Those are all the designs that I have conceived at this moment, so I shall post more as I conceive them, but what does everyone think of the cards that I have designed, thus far?
1 month ago
MadCatMax I gave a very clear reasoning. You are able to hit your infinite turns combo much faster if you are able to pay the mana reliably.
Your combo costs
- for the Oboro activation
- Play a land and have at least 3 other islands in play
- Cast Time Warp for
- Total cost is
- 3 Islands + Mystic provides
- There is still required every execution of your turns loop
- You run 3 rock accelerators in a 99 card deck, and also Dark Ritual which is not effective for the loop
- Even utilizing the untap effect from Oboro on one of your own lands, the earliest you can rip this combo is turn 6 without accelerators.
- This is assuming you hit a land drop every turn for 6 turns. 29 lands, probably not.
You have colorless mana costs in Intuition Oboro Breezecaller Commandeer Force of Negation Misdirection Spellstutter Sprite Tale's End Gingerbrute Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive Fallen Shinobi Ingenious Infiltrator Mist-Syndicate Naga Mistblade Shinobi Sakashima's Student Skullsnatcher Universal Automaton Brazen Borrower Contagion Cyclonic Rift Snuff Out Submerge Whiplash Trap Back to Basics Chains of Mephistopheles Cursed Totem Grafdigger's Cage Scroll Rack Temporal Manipulation Temporal Mastery Temporal Trespass Time Warp Demonic Tutor Diabolic Intent Hope of Ghirapur and Snapcaster Mage. That's 35 cards, literally exactly half of your non-land cards. Of course you can argue that a handful of these have alternate costs that don't include colorless mana, such as the pitch-to-play and some of the ninjutsu, which removes 10 cards from the "uses colorless mana" list. Either way, a quarter of the actual cards you draw and a third of the non-land cards you draw use colorless mana, and the alternate cost cards you will undoubtedly sometimes pay full price for when games go long and resources are available. I didn't even count your two burn cards.
I know you're trying to be clever by cutting slots, and I know this deck doesn't have the explosive plays of hitting Sol ring into mana rocks. Don't try to reinvent the wheel and get clever by cutting mana positive rocks in a deck that uses mana.
My comment is more directed at your friend, who I wrote a very elaborate response to as for inclusions for Sensei's Top in his Doomsday list, and how being reliant on your commander and creatures entirely for card advantage as well as pile cracking is setting him up for failure. Rather than respond, he chose to delete and block me. These decks have a bigger overall problem of being decent competitive decks against most match ups, but absolutely entirely worthless against certain match ups that completely hose the strategy because of how reliant on the commander these decks are. Nevermore on your commander either causes you to scoop or pray for amazing top deck. Repeated Pyroclasm effects resolving cause scoops. Choosing to run Misdirection over Swan Song means if you're counting on Misdirection to stop Pyroclasm you're scooping, or if you're counting on it to stop Demonic Consultation or Flash or Tainted Pact you're scooping. Yes I know it makes a bird token for blocking, but slotting bad cards is your biggest problem.
No I'm not joining your discord. You two are clowns, enjoy brewing your mediocre deck on your own. I'll enjoy the free wins if I ever end up in a pod against someone playing one of these decks.
1 month ago
(if your rocks produce more than 2 mana, you'll also get infinite mana)
3 months ago
Keen is a word I haven't heard in a while, good man!
Extra turn spells are very powerful in talrand. You don't need all of these, but this is what I run in baral. The reason why extra turn spells are so powerful are as follows (in 2 HG, the entire team gets an extra turn, but yeah)....
- It's the blue Explore . You cast extra turn, get a drake, pass the turn, play a land. You effectively ramp
- It gives the drake from the extra turn spell "haste" as you can attack with it during your extra turn
- Gives you an extra combat to swing with the drake you already have
Castle Vantress - Scrying always helps
Mystic Sanctuary - Get back an extra turn spell or whatever u want
Reliquary Tower - No explanation needed
Riptide Laboratory - Protect baral, reuse snapcaster and spellseeker. Theres nothing more fun late game than using snap caster + riptide to recast all your extra turn spells and just beat face with drakes
Strip Mine - Deal with cavern, boseju, urborg, coffers, field of the dead, etc...
I once played this in a 5 player pod. Obviously the more opponents the worst talrand is. So there is me with the tuned talrand, 3 other weak/moderate players and 1 good player. So naturally I counter every spell the good player has because he had the best stuff worth countering. He loses his shit (somewhat understanndably) and tries to get the table against me. He says if you don't let this next spell resolve I'm leaving. I figured it's a game and if someone is gonna get that mad over a game that's supposed to be fun, then I'll let their spell resolve. Lo and behold.... Tooth and Nail entwined into Terrastodon and an anti counter creature. So he blows up my lands, proceeds to only target me the entire game and has a slight but noticeable grin on his face. At that point I found it funny that someone would resort to being a little bitch because they weren't winning. Be warned, a lot of people HATE blue and personally attack me because he didn't know how to bait counterspells, play around removal, etc... so be warned, when you make this deck really good, people might hate you. Meta dependent of course, I've changed metas and there is little toxicity.
PT 2: We all played again and I pact of negatioend his T1 sol ring and just left the store. It was funny as hell because he looked me dead in the eye and asked if I was serious. I'm like, hell yeah, its funny and makes me happy, which is the whole purpose of the game.
I'll suggest other cards later because thats enough for now
4 months ago
(Cipher) can go well in combat oriented decks
more ninjas! Higure, the Still Wind
4 months ago
My first suggestion is you include the big three xerox spells: Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . They may not look like much, but superior card-selection for one blue is hard to argue with. I run them in every blue deck, though I think you'll need more shuffle effects to make Brainstorm good. Though I don't recommend them, you can also consider second-class cantrips like Serum Visions , Sleight of Hand and Opt .
My second suggestion is that you include the one-mana mana-dorks. I see you have Elvish Mystic , but running Birds of Paradise and Arbor Elf can be very helpful too. Utopia Sprawl works really well with Arbor Elf .
I think some of the two-mana ramp spells could be improved; I've never been a fan of Rampant Growth . Consider Nature's Lore (or its $100 cousin, Three Visits ) and/or Farseek . These can get non-basics, like your Breeding Pool , and Nature's Lore etbs untapped.
Evolution Sage is a card that MAY be good, but I'm not sure. Not having an immediate board-impact is a major downer, but its ability may be good enough to make it worth including. Playtesting can help.
Windfall is an excellent card-draw spell if you're down on cards. I suggest running Narset, Parter of Veils to act as a stax piece that is particularly abusive with Windfall . (Note that if you do end up with proliferate effects, you can proliferate her and get extra activations.) Other good card-draw spells include Fact or Fiction , Concentrate , Tezzeret's Gambit , Harmonize ...
Mystic Remora is a GREAT card. I personally think it's better than Rhystic Study , but I'm sure that'll raise a lot of hell (I also think Griselbrand should be unbanned, so I'm used to getting yelled at).
Wirewood Symbiote is a card you may want to consider. It words well with cards like your Reclamation Sage and can protect your guys from getting Toxic Deluge -d, and can buy you more triggers with your mana elf etbs for your general.
Depending on how many creatures you tend to have out, Slate of Ancestry could be a powerhouse. If you don't want to use that, running something like Collector Ouphe to fetch off Green Sun's Zenith can raise your decks chances against storm and the like significantly.
Opposition is a card I've been seeing more and more in powerful EDH decks these days. If you pair it with tokens and Seedborn Muse , Opposition can win the game on the spot. Adding something like Winter Orb to the mix can yield even more fun.
You can get more 'at the beginning of combat' triggers by having more combat steps. Consider extra-turn spells, like Temporal Trespass , Temporal Manipulation , Expropriate , Karn's Temporal Sundering , Nexus of Fate ...
Finally, counter magic is a good thing. Idk what the budget for the deck is, but the best counters are Force of Will and Mana Drain . More affordable cards that are still REALLY good are Spell Snare , Arcane Denial , Negate , Fuel for the Cause and the like. Counter-counters (I call them 'second-order counters,' since it makes me feel smart) are also good. Veil of Summer is the best right now, but Autumn's Veil and Dispel are also really good.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!