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Temporal Manipulation Discussion
3 weeks ago
Hey no worries I understand. I do have a signed guildpact Stomping Ground but only would trade it away if it involved any zen fetches (mostly misty rainforest)or something I really needed like a Temporal Manipulation. You wouldn't happen to have either of those would you?
3 weeks ago
These are the cards above 10 dollars and what to include instead:
- Exploration can be changed for Burgeoning, but Exploration is more explosive since it lets you also cast a one mana creature on turn one and attack with it on turn two, drawing a card.
- Temporal Manipulation can be changed for Part the Waterveil
- Time Warp is very importart, I would recommend you buying it (I'm saving for Capture of Jingzhou since 5 mana take a turn are crucial for going off), but if you are short on money Temporal Trespass may do the trick
- Gaea's Cradle can be replaced with Boreal Druid. Don't use Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, since it is too slow. Remember to take out Crop Rotation
- Flusterstorm can be replaced with some other cheap counterspell, maybe Mana Leak, Disdainful Stroke or Swan Song (beware: the bird token blocking your flying creatures is very annoying)
- Force of Will can be replaced with Foil, specially since you will have more basics by taking out fetches. Abjure is another good option.
- Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt and Mana Crypt: fast mana is really important for this deck, maybe Elvish Spirit Guide can replace one, also try Druids' Repository and Nature's Will (specially if there is stax in your meta.
Regarding the mana base, just take of all the fetches, shocks and Cavern of Souls (its not that important) and replace them with duals lands that come into place untapped, like Reflecting Pool and Exotic Orchard (this is very important). If you don't find lands that come into play untapped, just play basics, a high basic land count its actually a good thing since Elvish Pioneer on turn one is one of your more explosive hands (it lets you cast Edric on turn two and attack with a creature).
This is a very "all in" version of the deck. Maybe a budget friendly version could try to be more resilient and run cards like Coastal Piracy, Bident of Thassa and more ways of protecting your creatures from wrath effects, Wrap in Vigor, Chasm Skulker, Hangarback Walker, Whisperwood Elemental, Foundry of the Consuls, Faerie Conclave are just some that come to mind.
This deck started as a budget one, and it did very well then :) it does improve with expensive cards, but not as much as you would think.
Best of luck! Upload yours when you build it and let me know of the results.
1 month ago
Cards that I don't like:
Darkwater Catacombs | In a turn 4/5 build, it's too slow. Basically useless in some situations and opposite of mana fixing
Fetid Pools | Enters tapped needs strong abilities, maybe turn 8 cycling would be good, but in a Turn 4/5 build, it's not a turn 1 through 4 land so shouldn't be in there
Great Furnace | I think you can fetch , a single on Turn 1 though 4 is terrible
Tolaria West | Great land, but what does it tutor for you that's a combo card, Mana Crypt is ok, but none of your combos are land based, I wouldn't run this. If you needed to fetch a specific land for a combo would be ok.
I would go down 1 net land to 36 as well.
Devastation Tide | Miracle is too random, want to control your spells not have them control you. And it's a sorcery, as an instant it would be ok.
Cryptic Command has a pretty High CMC with , it's instant so it's better than some of the other sorcery/creatures, but could be a problem. It's VERY good card though, I would keep it worth the hard casting cost.
Scroll Rack mana sponges, it's too random, and too slow for turn 4/5 deck
Tolaria West go down a land!
Tunnel Vision (when used to tutor) >> Mizzix's Mastery! (Downside is it misses Omniscience so need something it can hit to put a card from graveyard into hand, best would be a card like that with flashback) OR Tunnel Vision >> Yawgmoth's Will. If it discards a Past in Flames get a couple shots. I think Kess, Dissident Mage can cast the Overload cost from the graveyard for Mizzix's Mastery too if you do get it looking for the Yawgmoth's Will which then cast the Yawgmoth's Will.
Summary: Harder to tutor items (Enchantment) should be priorities, Necropotence or Omniscience. Kess, Dissident Mage let's you recast and pull another item in most cases to finish the combo Omniscience + Enter the Infinite, lots of tutors pull Show and Tell for you.
Capture of Jingzhou and Temporal Manipulation are good too, but not necessary, you're really just trying to combo win with Show and Tell + Omniscience + Enter the Infinite would focus on getting there.
Frantic Search is better if you have a way to recur-it, like a Nivix Guildmage, but it does give you more control on the discard. The problem arises when you only have 1 card in hand, becomes the same issue I'm sure you experience with the Scroll Rack.
Dreadbore could just be another tutor that pulls Hero's Downfall they do the same thing anyway (or a Yawgmoth's Will if you need to recast Hero's Downfall and have used Kess, Dissident Mage. And it's a sorcery (YUCK)
You need the Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots for Phage the Untouchable and Laboratory Maniac. You could lose the Swiftfoot Boots since you do have Artifact tutors, but I bet they are pulling mana sources not boots.
Temporal Extortion could be wasted spell, since i doubt your doing the extra damage, but in multi-player perhaps it may resolve due to politics.
Time Warp could come out too if needed, high CMC extra turns. Useful for mid-range play though.
Need to research a way to bring a card from graveyard to hand, if it has flashback, that would be AMAZING!
1 month ago
Thanks for the input. I feel embarrassed that I never noticed the exile component of Temporal Mastery. Thank you for pointing that out though and thank you for taking the time to give me feedback.
2 months ago
Flusterstorm, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Capture of Jingzhou, Temporal Manipulation, Time Spiral, Invoke Prejudice, and Land Equilibrium are all cards that I would be unlikely to be able to pick up. It's possible I'll grab a couple of them but only if they're easily available to me or something like that. What would you fill them with?
2 months ago
I love seeing another Talrand user. The deck looks pretty good. +1 from me. A few suggestions...
Capsize Win condition that is very useful, especially late game.
Memory Lapse goes well with isochron scepter and is a hard counter for 2
Your avg CMC seems a little bit high, so adding cheaper counter spells will allow you to counter something when it matters most.
Blatant Thievery is a great card for multiplayer
Temporal Manipulation and Time Warp are useful because you have talrand out, cast it, get a drake, do whatever, end the turn. Then have another turn to play a land (blue's way of ramping) and the drake you casted last turn with the extra turn can now attack.
Back to Basics and Overburden help slow your opponents down (Note: overburden won't trigger on your tokens so thats good). Moreover, you have too many creatures for a talrand deck. I can recommend some options of what to take out (creatures and others) if you like.
Speaking of creatures, while we don't want to have to many in the deck, some are worth their weight in gold such as Consecrated Sphinx, Snapcaster Mage (can be reused with Riptide Laboratory, which can also be used for talrand) and Torrential Gearhulk
Ramp. There are a lot of options, some of which you already have. One I like in particular is Sky Diamond because it allows Talrand to come out on turn 3.
I don't know your budget/meta/competitive level but if you want more ideas, feel free to look at my deck Tisk Tisk Talrand.
2 months ago
I like your creative combos! However I feel obligated to point out that Temporal Mastery exiles itself; so you can't use it with Mnemonic Wall or Archaeomancer. Some you can use effectively for that are as follows in monetary order: Time Stretch, Temporal Manipulation and Capture of Jingzhou. A fun combo i've been using is Myr Battlesphere with Ashnod's Altar. You can use Eldrazi Displacer or Nim Deathmantle to put the engine online. My win con with it is Grinding Station, Altar of the Brood or Staff of Domination. I like this core combo because nearly all of the pieces are artifacts which makes setting it up easy for me. Good luck!
2 months ago
Hey guys, I'm looking for Intuition, Temporal Manipulation, and a high quality proxied Timetwister. Here is my binder. If you dont have any of my wants but see something you like, feel free to hit me up if you want to trade and I'll take a peak!