Creatures you control have flying, first strike, vigilance, trample, haste, protection from black, and protection from red. ((Remember the acronym debt.) Creatures you control can't be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by anything black or red. Anything black or red attached to your creatures immediately falls off.)
|Have (4)||Auriel , GrandeKhan , sepheroth119 , bkelsey01|
|Want (4)||Mistaflowas , Rhonar , Auriel , Lunar_Wing|
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- Archangel of Thune trampling a card with protection
- Buffing with silklash spider, vigor and akromas memorial.
- Effects of Jaya Ballard and Goblin Welder
- If I'm running a mono black and I play akroma's memorial, can I still target my own creatures with black spells?
- Protection and dual-color DFC interaction.
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Akroma's Memorial Discussion
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
McToters I always appreciate comments as long as their respectful. That being said this deck doesn't have any real graveyard synergy just some recursion, it did in it's earliest form but i just bogged the deck down too much for too little advantage. The problem with Akroma's Memorial is that one there no way to protect it so it will just be blown up and two every player will be targeting you since now even a single minotaur is a huge threat, Eldrazi Monument is same thing to lesser extent it doesn't generate as much hate but it does gerenate a lot plus have to sac a creature in a non aristocrats or graveyard/recursion deck can work but you'll be losing more than you'll be gaining from the minotaurs higher CMC cost. Angel of Suffering is a debatable will playtest with her but chances are not very high, again little recursion and you can mill some of your best minotuars, but it can help thin your deck out for better draws a double edged sword for this deck but could work. As for Conspiracy i just don't think having three non tribal cards warrants using a slot for it. As for Magus of the Wheel and Wheel of Fate they are to be considered like Reforge the Soul for some hand reloading. For Illicit Shipment sure it can work really any tutor can just depends on your price range and willingness to $$$ on a piece of cardboard. Light Up the Stage is fun and will play around with it, Coat of Arms was considered but i felt like i didn't need it but Door of Destinies is too slow for my mid range aggro style for this deck
1 month ago
It feels like you have no reasonably plan B if you don't draw Quest for Ula's Temple (or if you can't resolve it). This puts you in a really awkward position, as most of the time you're going to be having to do a LOT of mulligans to have something remotely playable. I'd suggest having more viable plan Bs
Along the lines of above, you have a bunch of cards that aren't useful at all unless you have Quest for Ula's Temple out - namely Thrummingbird and Fuel for the Cause. Proliferation seems like its useful in such niche situations, that I'm not convinced you should be running it at all - it's only helping you when you're already in a good spot, and does nothing when you're not.
With only 20 lands, you have absolutely no chance of being able to cast Volition Reins or Akroma's Memorial, so I'd suggest ditching those. I'd also suggest getting rid of Quicksilver Amulet, as it's also going to take waaay too long to cast with your manabase, and generally just feels very clunky/slow
1 month ago
Amazing deck--man oh man have minotaurs come along way as a creature type over the years! Thoughts on utilizing Coat of Arms or Door of Destinies? There's also Akroma's Memorial, which is high CMC but great. Eldrazi Monument may help you if you are running into a problem with flying creatures. These are all things I suspect you may have thought of already.
Conspiracy could widen (or aid) your creature gamut since you currently have 4 non-minotaurs in your line-up. Then you could tutor for that to open up your creature choices.
There's a card in the New Capenna set that may be ballsy but could additionally work with unloading cards into your graveyard -- Angel of Suffering. Illicit Shipment could be a neat tutor for you too.
Truly--this is an AMAZING deck--so take my suggestions with a grain of salt. You know how this works better than I do and you very well may have thought of all these options yourself. Hope this is welcome feedback! Cheers
1 month ago
MstrCpr Thanks mate. It's been in the works a VERY long time and has won many many tournaments.
The Paradox Engine ban was at first a disaster, but now, I can still win turn 5-6 virtually all the time, and IF I get a good draw, then I can still win turn 4! ;)
I haven't made any notes for a long time and I really should update...
Let's just say that I am constantly tossing up whether to include Akroma's Memorial or not due to it's mana cost and the introduction of Crashing Drawbridge. I deliberately stay away from mana costs of non-creatures of higher than 4 so Gaddock Teeg is not an issue. So having a planeswalker of Vivien, with a cost of 5 with no real instant win - I just can't see it's value. Same with Ugin - just an overkill and horrendous cost of 8.
Ashaya is just to expensive for what it does. I mean I used to ALWAYS run the combo Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa for win in removing opponents lands. But I also have a lot of wincons now so I just want to keep the mana costs down.
Eight Tails was a card I used to run, but I found I rarely needed it in Tournaments and if you are doing it only for removing opponents lands, then the above said Elesh Norn/Kamahl wins hands down.
The latest iteration and what I am working on is to ensure I can get the 'haste' out easily, ie Oswald Fiddlebender with artifact tutor so I can get Thousand-Year Elixir out, and then I can again remove Akroma's Memorial, and put back in Masako the Humorless
The deck has undergone a LOT of changes over the years, but still kicks butt and is VERY reliable. (I did sell some cards - mainly lands and foils - kicking myself over selling my foils of Selvala, Heart of the Wilds) So hat's why the lands don't seem 'stable'.
Thanks for commenting and the appreciation.
1 month ago
ETB effects on most creatures. (sometimes provided by your commander in the case of changelings)
Ping opponents when creatures enter the battlefield with cards like Impact Tremors. Other effects would be welcome too if they were good enough.
All while trying to make it mesh with Rin and Seri, Inseparable for extra value.
As for what I'd cut... I'd probably do away with some of the classic Rin and Seri, Inseparable cards focusing on making a huge board to swing with. You have several token-doubling effects in your deck, and I think if you're going to place an emphasis on pinging with Purphoros, God of the Forge effects then you're pulling yourself in two different directions. If your goal is tribal then Purphoros, God of the Forge might be a decent card, but it is not a win condition. If your goal is pinging and tokens, then tribal buffs might not be ideal. I'm talking specifically about synergies that give you big attackers, not synergies that help you in other ways like Qasali Slingers.
Example cuts would be: Pack Leader, Vivien Reid, Coat of Arms, Akroma's Memorial, Cathars' Crusade, maybe even some of your board protection spells could be let go, though if you go that route I'd also get rid of Craterhoof and Triumph as well. Those are great win conditions if you have a board, and it's worth thinking about keeping them in if you think you can manage to protect your guys.
It's hard to argue that this would be stronger than a straight-up Rin and Seri, Inseparable cEDH list, but it would be a fun and surprising way to go about things. This requires you to find those ping upon creature entering effects and keep them safe which can be a challenge in itself. It's really more of a Dina, Soul Steeper or Purphoros, God of the Forge commander deck concept that's been fit into a less oppressive shell.
Of course, the other route is to just ditch the pinging strategy and play full attack damage which you said you were trying to avoid doing.
1 month ago
You could look at other planeswalkers too, but this Ajani seems to stand out the most.
1 month ago
So I have rambled on and on about my thoughts on all of the different aspects of this deck. In advance, I would like to thank anyone who has taken the time out of their day to read all of these and leave their own thoughts, as that is part of what makes this community great. There aren't many more themes to talk about in the deck. Now, onto win cons. So my main win conditions in the deck are damage from triggers and beating the opponent down with hoards of big dragons (with a third backup wincon with Hellkite Tyrant and Hellkite Igniter).
For damage from triggers I have Where Ancients Tread, Warstorm Surge, Dragon Tempest, Terror of the Peaks, Scourge of Valkas and Panharmonicon. They work great with Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the tokens she generates when another dragon is played, all activating those damage triggers which can be used to control the board and directly target the opponent's HP pools. Archwing Dragon is a reliable way for the Damage triggers to activate each turn. Summons from Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot and Dragonmaster Outcast act as backup token generators for the damage triggers in case our lathliss isn't in play. Demanding Dragon is potentially a free 5 damage to the opponent's face. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames his damage trigger is repeatable every time you attack.
Supporting cards for the first win condition: I do not have any of these three cards in my decklist, as I can't figure out what I want to replace to get them in, but the dream is there. Conjurer's Closet allows you to make a dragon leave and re-enter the field at the end of the turn, triggering all of our ETB effects above. Mirage Mirror allows you to copy one of our pieces above, and you can choose the most beneficial one. It would be nice having two Dragon Tempest in play, especially say if you have 6 dragons on the field, have Mirage Mirror end of turn triggering them and getting free 12 damage to any target you want. If you could fit in a Fiery Emancipation that 12 turns into 36!
The secondary win condition "beat down", with "big" "dragon hoards", is also supported by Lathliss, Dragon Queen due to the big 5/5 token dragons she pumps out. The "dragon hoard" part is also supported by cards such as Utvara Hellkite, Skyline Despot, Dragonmaster Outcast as they all generate plenty of dragons. Now the "big" part comes from my anthems that buff my dragons Crucible of Fire, Gauntlet of Power, The Immortal Sun, and Vanquisher's Banner, as well as several dragons that are all pumpable to make them and/or their fellow dragons hit harder. Moonveil Dragon, Scourge of Valkas, Moltensteel Dragon and lastly Lathliss, Dragon Queen. Now, the fun part of my secondary win condition, "beat down" comes into play. Dragons such as Scourge of the Throne and Hellkite Charger allow you to take an extra combat turn, allowing you to really bash in your opponent's face with your big dragon hoard :)
Supporting cards for the secondary win condition: Terror of Mount Velus gives all of your dragon's double strike. Thundermaw Hellkite allows you to tap your opponent's fliers, allowing your dragons through. Drakuseth, Maw of Flames allows you to potentially shoot down any small fliers blocking your path. Cards I would like to put in: Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial would allow any dragons that enter the field to have haste (with akroma adding a slew of goodies and protection). Door of Destinies could allow you to grow your dragons even more. Gratuitous Violence and Fiery Emancipation would allow you to double and triple your damage. Rage Reflection granting double strike would be nice. I would prioritize Fervor, Anger and Akroma's Memorial, as haste is such a beautiful thing, as it helps make up for lost time due to how expensive your dragons can be. I am not sure what I need to remove to fit them into the deck.
Lastly, Hellkite Tyrant is a pretty nifty dragon, acting as a potential win condition on its own. My deck has plenty of artifacts as is, and I typically play against 2-3 (sometimes even more) opponents in a game. Reaching the 20 artifacts owned is doable, the hard part would be keeping it, the artifacts, and yourself alive until it is once more your turn (Suddenly that wall of text I wrote on protection is looking a lot more appealing). Another fun synergy with that is Hellkite Igniter, if that can sneak on by you can pump its damage insanely high due to all of the artifacts! Need to see about getting some haste in the deck to help it connect...
Thanks all for reading!