Thalakos Deceiver

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Format Legality
Noble Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Stronghold (STH) Rare

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Thalakos Deceiver

Creature — Thalakos Wizard

Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)

When Thalakos Deceiver attacks and isn't blocked, you may sacrifice it. If you do, gain control of target creature. (This effect doesn't end at end of turn.)

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Thalakos Deceiver Discussion

FrigidOfficial on Inalla's Tap Studio (EDH Adaptive Combo)

2 hours ago

Hey Frank. I do not mind the analysis of the other list. It's interesting to see the differences between certain brews and you succinctly and accurate described the other list's flaws and where our list thrives compared to it. With that being said, I'll try to dissect the newest post.

  1. Fatestitcher is indeed not going in the deck. We may be missing something about the combo, but as of right now I don't think it's in the best interest to play it.

  2. Sigil Tracer has seen value mostly in copying my opponents' tutors. Other than that, it hasn't gotten much value. I think running the card has its merits, but I feel more testing is in order. Voidmage Prodigy has consistently been solidly annoying, as it deters our opponents from playing cards (obviously). The tempo loss of keeping UU up is negligent compared to the potential tempo loss for our opponents; if we also have a counterspell in hand, it allows us to counter a bait spell and then the second spell (the spell our opponent would rather resolve) as well.

  3. I will most likely take out Disciple of Bolas for Mistbind Clique, as I am still hopeful of the value we can get from locking the game. As for Glen Elendra Archmage, we will likely take out Voidmage Prodigy for it if I choose to purchase it.

  4. I am wary of Sower of Temptation's usefulness, as my meta tends to have a decent amount of ways to kill off 1 and 2 health creatures with ease. In your meta, it way be better to play.

  5. Thalakos Deceiver is interesting. I would try to cut Sower of Temptation for it in your list if you feel it may work better. If you find Voidmage Prodigy not working well enough, that is also another potential cut. Looking at my list, I could probably survive by cutting a basic Island in favor of another wizard.

  6. I have also seen slower lists run Beguiler of Wills. It seems weak, though for one U more, we can steal a creature without having to swing at our opponents. Whether the extra cost for this steal effect is relevant or not remains to be seen.

Frank_Glascock on Inalla's Tap Studio (EDH Adaptive Combo)

18 hours ago
  1. I am not sure if Aphetto Alchemist makes our list without Illusionist's Bracers and that for me means this card is probably a pass. All the info on the combo was taken from a list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inalla-archmage-of-combo/

I checked over his list. He is playing other non wizard combos such as Palinchron and Deadeye Navigator. Staff of Domination is one of the infinite mana win conditions and Laboratory Maniac is there to win through infinite draw.

There is a steep price to pay for all these combos.

A) Partial Paris is gone. He is going to have a lot of cards that are dead outside of combo. This is why we tried to keep those pieces to a minimum.

B) 30 lands

C) Force of Will is his only counterspell. This is bad-real bad. He can not protect his combo and he can not stop his opponents. He has to be the fastest deck every game and get very lucky at a competitive table.

D) Cyclonic Rift, Chaos Warp, Grave Pact and Attrition are the only interaction. No board sweeps besides Cyclonic Rift which probably gets cast for 1U most times in this list as he has one other spell (Chaos Warp) that handles stax permanents.

I think we have taken our lists in an entirely different direction from his.

  1. I did not do any research on Fatestitcher because of the cost of executing the combo was too high at 9U. I would not refute your analysis of the combo.

  2. There are 18 instant and sorceries on your posted list. By Force and Into the Roil/Chain of Vapor replaces Vandalblast and Chaos Warp. You have Gamble coming in for Corpse Augur. Blasphemous Acts probably replaces Kindred Discovery/Intruder Alarm. That puts you at 20 total instants and sorceries.

I am at 23 instants and sorceries.

  1. I am a little surprised that Sigil Tracer is closer to the chopping block than Voidmage Prodigy. Has Voidmage Prodigy done better recently? Sigil Tracer always seems like a card that is great 40% of the time and a non-factor 60% of the time. It is conditional. You have to have it and another wizard in play plus 1U. I guess what keeps it in my list is the fact that you can copy opponent's spells. Have you been able to utilize it to copy opponent's tutors, draw spells and possibly spot removal?

  2. Our choice of creatures seem to mirror each other. I believe I am playing three you are not. I know you want to slot Glen Elendra Archmage and Mistbind Clique in when you get them. I have yet to cast Mistbind Clique. This may prove to be one of those cards that has a lot of potential but in reality does not function well. You have not offered up an opinion on Sower of Temptation (discussion to follow).

  3. I am in a pretty creature heavy environment so Sower of Temptation may be more viable in my list. It has only been played twice; both times stealing my opponents commander, Kess, Dissident Mage. You probably already know that I won both those games as Kess is awesome in our list.

  4. The combo list I looked at did have Thalakos Deceiver. It costs 3U in most lists but most likely it will be 4U for us as we can steal another creature immediately with the token. Sower of Temptation may be the cut.

Both have evasion and cost the same. The issue is it does not make sense to make an Inalla token of Sower of Temptation without a sacrifice outlet. That scenario does provide removal for (1). Thalakos Deceiver is going to be played for 5U as the token will steal a creature that turn. We will be unblocked as I have never seen or heard of a card with Shadow. Next turn we again steal the best creature on the board. The major downside of Sower of Temptation is that any spot removal returns the stolen creature.

8) I would like to hear your thoughts on what creature to cut for Thalakos Deceiver if any. Voidmage Prodigy, Sigil Tracer, Mistbind Clique, Sower of Temptation and Glen Elendra Archmage is my guess as to the order you would rank the cuts (first being more likely).

Frank_Glascock on Inalla, Archmage of Combo

22 hours ago
  1. I am not sure if Aphetto Alchemist makes our list without Illusionist's Bracers and that for me means this card is probably a pass. All the info on the combo was taken from a list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/inalla-archmage-of-combo/

I checked over his list. He is playing other non wizard combos such as Palinchron and Deadeye Navigator. Staff of Domination is one of the infinite mana win conditions and Laboratory Maniac is there to win through infinite draw.

There is a steep price to pay for all these combos.

A) Partial Paris is gone. He is going to have a lot of cards that are dead outside of combo. This is why we tried to keep those pieces to a minimum.

B) 30 lands

C) Force of Will is his only counterspell. This is bad-real bad. He can not protect his combo and he can not stop his opponents. He has to be the fastest deck every game and get very lucky at a competitive table.

D) Cyclonic Rift, Chaos Warp, Grave Pact and Attrition are the only interaction. No board sweeps besides Cyclonic Rift which probably gets cast for 1U most times in this list as he has one other spell (Chaos Warp) that handles stax permanents.

E) I think we have taken our lists in an entirely different direction from his.

  1. I did not do any research on Fatestitcher because of the cost of executing the combo was too high at 9U. I would not refute your analysis of the combo.

  2. There are 18 instant and sorceries on your posted list. By Force and Into the Roil/Chain of Vapor replaces Vandalblast and Chaos Warp. You have Gamble coming in for Corpse Augur. Blasphemous Acts probably replaces Kindred Discovery/Intruder Alarm. That puts you at 20 total instants and sorceries.

I am at 23 instants and sorceries.

  1. I am a little surprised that Sigil Tracer is closer to the chopping block that Voidmage Prodigy. Has Voidmage Prodigy recently been pulling its weight? Sigil Tracer always seems like a card that is great 40% of the time and a non-factor 60% of the time. It is conditional. You have to have it and another wizard in play plus 1U. I guess what keeps it in my list is the fact that you can copy opponent's spells.

  2. Our choice of creatures seem to mirror each other. I believe I am playing three you are not. I know you want to slot Glen Elendra Archmage and Mistbind Clique in when you get them. I have yet to cast Mistbind Clique. This may prove to be one of those cards that has a lot of potential but in reality does not function well. You have not offered up an opinion on Sower of Temptation (discussion to follow).

  3. I am in a pretty creature heavy environment so Sower of Temptation may be more viable in my list. It has only been played twice; both times stealing my opponents commander, Kess, Dissident Mage. You probably already know that I won both those games as Kess is awesome in our list.

  4. The combo list I looked at did have Thalakos Deceiver. It costs 3U in most lists but most likely it will be 4U for us as we can steal another creature immediately with the token. Sower of Temptation may be the cut.

Both have evasion and cost the same. The issue is it does not make sense to make a Inalla token of Sower of Temptation without a sacrifice outlet. That scenario does provide removal for (1). Thalakos Deceiver is going to be played for 5U as the token will steal a creature that turn. We will be unblocked as I have never seen or heard of a card with Shadow. Next turn we again steal the best creature on the board. The major downside of Sower of Temptation is that any spot removal returns the stolen creature.

8) I would like to hear your thoughts on what creature to cut for Thalakos Deceiver if any. Voidmage Prodigy, Sigil Tracer, Mistbind Clique, Sower of Temptation and Glen Elendra Archmage is my guess as to which would be the first card you would cut to the last in a more creature centric environment.

Zakading on Hi, Inalla Mays here!

1 week ago

The Turnabout addition seems decent enough to seriously consider. Having one extra combo tends to always be good stuff, indeed, and it's not as blatantly obvious as the Mistbind Clique, bloodline necromancer and Wanderwine Prophets combos before the game even started. I've had Thalakos Deceiver on my mind for a while as well. Might give it a try, though I do worry that the difference between 1 and 2 toughness might be relevant in my playgroup. Definitely something that needs field testing to properly judge.

Herald’s Horn , while definitely a generally good, value generating card, doesn't seem TOO important right now. Might swap one in in place of Stonybrook Banneret, since they both do essentially the same thing, but Horn has another upside and is harder to remove. Did want to somehow squeeze in a Sundial of the Infinite, but cutting stuff is getting increasingly difficult without cutting a bit into the super value cards. The Alchemist is in a similar vein, as it's essentially sometimes a better AEther Adept, but has a prerequisite to it and still fills the same niche as pseudo-removal.

Saharez on Hi, Inalla Mays here!

1 week ago

All good suggestions, especially the Trophy Mage which can fetch pieces such as Urza's Incubator and Ashnod's Altar

Your list is winning based on comboes as best as I can tell and you might just have enough of them, but if you want one more super janky combo then take a look at Turnabout.In combination with Archaeomancer a sac outlet and Bloodline Necromancer you can tap down all your enemies and generate infinite mana aswell as tokens.

When it doesn't play out like that, Turnabout is still a solid card in my experience.

Sedraxis Alchemist can be a solid addition aswell, even if it rarely wins games by itself, unless of cause Urza's Incubator is in play, in which case it's 2 mana, boom target nonland permanent, rinse repeat.

I noticed your Sower of Temptation in your list, after testing, I find that Thalakos Deceiver is a better fit, easier on the blue mana, the control is permanent.The downside is that you only get 1 of the creatures immediately.

I'm currently tweaking my own Inalla list based on how it performed when I took it out last.So in that light, I want to suggest Herald’s Horn card and mana advantage.

Raging_Squiggle on reanimation

1 month ago

Nimble Obstructionist. Has no synergy with your commander, useless to play and copy with her ability. And there are cheaper, better version to counter abilities (Trickbind, Stifle, etc).

Galecaster Colossus. Too expensive mana-wise to justify its ability. Can't bounce your own wizards either.

Harbinger of the Tides. Ability is too situational to be effective. Also can't bounce your own wizards.

Hollowsage. Without ways to abuse the ability, its effect is minimal at best.

Sea Gate Oracle. Effect not good enough to warrant its inclusion.

Thalakos Deceiver. Too situational to warrant inclusion. There isn't always a creature in play worth stealing. When this is true, it's a dead card.

Exsanguinate. It's a win more card. If you have the mana to actually make it effective, you should have won already.

Decree of Pain, Insurrection, Kindred Dominance. Too expensive mana wise. Your average cmc for this deck is 3.68 which is dangerously high. Consider either removing these entirely or finding less expensive versions of them. Doing so will help speed up your deck.

These are my suggestions for you off the top of my head. I also have an Inalla deck if you would like to see another deck with her as the commander. Might get some ideas to put in?


Inalla Wizardry

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TheDarkSlayer21 on Maleficent

3 months ago

That's true, but I don't have too many sac outlets. And I don't want Puppeteer Clique to determine when I play a Board Wipe.

I think that something like Thalakos Deceiver works much better for my personal deck.

TheDarkSlayer21 on Marchesa Edh

3 months ago

Ok...There are typically two ways of making a Marchesa deck. The first way is to put in a lot of creatures that can get +1/+1 counters easily (like Anthroplasm, Aetherborn Marauder, Butcher Ghoul, Carrion Feeder or Unleash/Modular cards). The problem is, these cards hardly do anything other than putting counters on themselves. They're pretty much duds. So to make up for this, people will put in good sac outlets, (Cards like Mind Slash, Phyrexian Altar, Ashnod's Altar, Altar of Dementia, Attrition, etc). This type of deck gets its engine running STRICTLY from it's sac outlets, (NOT FROM ITS CREATURES) and because of this, it is a bit more reliant on it's commander.

The second type of deck is my preferred method of playstyle. Whereby, the deck is not RELYING on its sac outlets, (although it does have a few) but rather on the bounce effects of creatures. (Cards like Mulldrifter and Harvester of Souls). With this type of deck, you're also not fully relying on your commander. Marchesa is just a perk. If you don't have her out, you can still play your creatures and benefit from them.

Also keep in mind, that it isn't too hard getting +1/+1 counters on your creatures just using the dethrone ability itself. I find that most, if not all the time, you will NOT be at the highest life total; especially if you have Necropotence, Ancient Tomb, Unspeakable Symbol, shock lands, fetch lands, and pain lands in the deck.

This is the Marchesa deck that I personally made. You're welcome to look at it for suggestions.


Maleficent

Commander / EDH TheDarkSlayer21

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Some cards that I would highly recommend putting in the deck are:
- Sneak Attack
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Demonic Tutor
- River Kelpie
- Necropotence
- Consecrated Sphinx
- Diabolic Intent
- Harvester of Souls
- Glen Elendra Archmage
- Mind Slash
- Thalakos Deceiver
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Phyrexian Tower
- Cyclonic Rift
- Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Scourge of the Throne
- Unspeakable Symbol
- Grave Betrayal
- Flayer of the Hatebound
- Thraximundar
NOTE: If you do decide to have this deck be a bit more ETB heavy, Deadeye Navigator and Rite of Replication are good cards to help abuse the ETB triggers.

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