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Keiga, the Tide Star
Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit
When Keiga, the Tide Star is put into a graveyard from play, gain control of target creature.
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Keiga, the Tide Star Discussion
6 days ago
"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .
One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?
Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors
Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance
Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace
Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification
Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite
1 month ago
Right off the bat, you should strongly consider Smothering Tithe to run alongside your Stasis . Each turn cycle, all three of your opponents have to pay to cut you off one blue, meaning Stasis is very likely to stay put.
Second, instead of running Bident of Thassa , you should consider running a Green Sun's Zenith to fetch your Edric, Spymaster of Trest . This gives you the redundancy that two of the 'hit OP draw' effect while allowing you to fetch other things with GSZ, including a Dryad Arbor turn 1, if you choose to run that, or Reclamation Sage to take out a pesky artifact/enchantment.
Similarly, I always feel weird running signets or Commander's Sphere in a green deck. If you have access to green, you have access to dorks (which are way better than signets). Avacyn's Pilgrim , Fyndhorn Elves , Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch are all REALLY powerful. Priest of Titania and Bloom Tender are both two-drops that make enough mana to be busted as well. Similarly, I don't think Solemn Simulacrum is ideal in this deck. If you cut the artifact ramp for dork ramp, you can run Kataki, War's Wage or Energy Flux to great effect. Also, Stony Silence becomes just... real good.
Playing lock pieces, you're going to draw a lot of counter magic. I advise Dispel as an efficient piece of counter-counter magic, as well as Flusterstorm if possible. In the vein of counter magic, I don't think Hinder is very good. If you're afraid of an opponent just getting value out of the spell in the graveyard, Void Shatter ensures that your opponent doesn't just tutor it back later.
I think Supreme Verdict is better than Wrath of God , if only because it dodges counter magic. You probably don't want to run two wrath effects (because you're a go-wide creature deck), so I advise just replacing wrath with the verdict.
Tutor-wise, Mystical Tutor and Enlightened Tutor would be great for this deck. Mystical can get any instant or sorcery you need, be it wrath or ramp, while enlightened can find you lock pieces fast. I highly suggest them both.
Brainstorm , Ponder and Preordain are all excellent cards that make a borderline hand into a good hand. I think all blue decks should run these Xerox pieces, as they find lands and/or important spells at a very low cost.
Depending on how prevalent blue is in your meta, consider Carpet of Flowers . It is a REALLY good card.
I'd replace Cultivate and Kodama's Reach with Nature's Lore and Farseek , and Explosive Vegetation with Skyshroud Claim . The suggested cards to not require the 'Basic' supertype, meaning they can grab your duals without a problem. Also, Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim allow for your lands to enter untapped, reducing their net mana cost.
I advise running Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth . With Derevi triggers targeting the enchanted land, these produce extra mana. Also, if you run Arbor Elf , they make it tap for extra mana as well. Notably, the sprawl can only target a forest. This isn't really a problem, as I think you should try to make your land base lean green anyways. Early in a game, you want to ramp first, which requires green and then enables you to find your other colors.
I think people tend to underestimate the power of soft-counters in EDH games. In the late game, when players have ramped their entire decks out, they do tend to be somewhat useless. However, early interaction is invaluable. I recommend at least trying Spell Pierce in a few games, as this can counter an early Sol Ring and make all the difference.
Speaking of odd EDH counterspells, Mental Misstep is another tremendously undervalued card. If your meta is fast, it can be a complete game changer; if your meta is slow, it is indeed useless. That's a meta call, but I put it out there because I've had great success with it.
Mystic Remora is a good way to draw cards if it comes down turn 2 or 3. You should consider running it.
I would suggest running Sower of Temptation over Keiga, the Tide Star . It is vulnerable to removal, but gaining control of a creature and impacting the board right away is worth it, at least in my opinion. Similarly, if you want to lay down some real cash, Gilded Drake is a good option.
You should at least consider running Thalia, Guardian of Thraben . With dorks and the untap abilities from your general, you're likely to have more mana than your opponents, making her ability more and more one-sided.
I think Reflecting Pool is probably better than Meteor Crater . You might also consider running City of Brass and Mana Confluence , as I've had good success with these in 3-color decks. Exotic Orchard and Forbidden Orchard are also considerations for mana fixing.
I feel that Mulldrifter is included because it can be flickered with Roon of the Hidden Realm and Brago, King Eternal . Seeing as the blink effects aren't in the command zone, I think just running Fact or Fiction and/or Dig Through Time would be better, as they are instants and let you leave up counter magic. Treasure Cruise is good too, although this is a sorcery. Chart a Course , Slate of Ancestry and Shamanic Revelation are also good cards for this deck.
You may wish to consider Howling Mine . It will always draw you a card on your draw step, as the untap step comes first. However, if you tap it down with your general's ability, the effect becomes asymmetric.
Good luck with deck building!
1 month ago
Congratulations for your deck! I like the idea of cloning stuff, and I am still trying to find a build that works. If I can give you a hint, prefer cards that can clone any creature on the field over the cards that can only clone your creatures (everyone should have a Consecrated Sphinx , right? Not only your opponent).
I don't feel like would help you much with cloning. The best (and maybe only) white card that refers to cloning is Mirrorweave .
If you look at https://edhrec.com/themes/clones, you will see that almost all clone effects are blue: Clone , Vizier of Many Faces , Gigantoplasm , Vesuvan Shapeshifter , Body Double , Mirror Image , Supplant Form , Blatant Thievery , Clone Legion , Mirror Match . If you want to copy spells aswell, Insidious Will , Swarm Intelligence and Spelltwine are there for you.
gives you Evil Twin and all black tutors and removal.
gives you Altered Ego , Progenitor Mimic , Spitting Image and all of green ramp and removal. For me, it is the best color to splash on a blue clone deck, because it also allows the Biovisionary alternative win-condition.
As long as commander suggestions are concerned, here are some ideas:
Riku of Two Reflections is the go-to clone commander. He has all the relevant colors for cloning (), but he is crazy expensive at 20 dollars, so it might be good to consider other options:
You can have Keiga, the Tide Star as your commander. This way, you can clone him and let the copy Keiga die to the legend rule. When the Keiga copy dies, you can steal an opponent's creature, while still having the original Keiga.
You can have Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer as your commander. He is a win condition by himself, giving tokens haste and making all of them bigger. Red gives you a lot of token generators: Brass's Bounty , Flameshadow Conjuring , Storm the Vault Flip among others. Imagine creating a token copy of a Kokusho, the Evening Star , then turn all your tokens into Kokusho, then sacrificing all them to the legend rule, then draining all your oponents for lethal. Great value!
You can have Tatyova, Benthic Druid as your commander. She doesn't refer to a clone strategy, but she gives a lot of card draw by just playing lands (your hand will always be filled). You can clone Rampaging Baloths and Avenger of Zendikar for a massive win. Also, you have access to all the blue-green clones and the Biovisionary + Rite of Replication combo.
If you want to use altogether, you might consider Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder or Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis . Yidris allows you to use Evil Twin and all the black removal. Yidris also increases the value you get from playing spells by cascading into other spells. // K&T, on the other hand, gives you card advantage and makes you less threatening while you build your board. White also gives you access to great boardwipes ( Austere Command ).
All in all, good luck in your deckbuilding and have fun!
1 month ago
2 months ago
Hi there Aqveteig
I don't think Cackling Counterpart should be in the deck.
I don't think Darksteel Citadel is useful
High Tide I feel like this is shouldn't be here.
Lightning Greaves is a must-have.
You are missing Expropriate I know you are going budget, but still is a great card.
You should definitely add Baral, Chief of Compliance
Hope I've been usefull
2 months ago
Thanks for responding man.
So for point #:
Dimir House Guard - Yeah, I'm trying to dial back the power level a tiny tiny bit, but increase the consistency. I'm already targeted quite a few times at the table when I play Marchesa.
Razaketh, the Foulblooded - Yeah, I'm seeing that more and more. Razaketh is awesome being able to tutor for free, has flying, big creature, hard to kill. But he doesn't seem as good to me in recent months as many people make him out to be, yano? People are like OMG OMG razaketh is so broken...I don't really think so lol
Opal Palace - Yeah good point, I'm just not sure how much I like dumping that many into only a counter. I know the deck runs on counters, but I like playing Marchesa earlier, not later, which happens when you have to pay 5 for her to come in and get a counter.
Forge of Heroes - Hmmm good point. I guess there's some political advantage there lol
Scry lands - Yeah, no. I have 3 decks. And plan to build another. If I got OG duels for each, I'd be broke lol. But they do seem slower than some other more budget options out there to me.
Helm of the Host - I can see that, yeah. I just thought it could do some work for another dethrone trigger, or ETB effect, no?
Lifegain - I'll look into the wurmcoil, collar, and gray merchant. However, for stealing a lifegain creature, I don't run either of those creature stealing creatures. Though I have considered Hostage Taker , I have this feeling that if I add one or two, then my list will become one of those "steal everything" marchesa lists. And I'm not a fan of those. It's too reliant on your opponents to me.
Massacre Wurm - I probably won't be running one in Marchesa, simply because it's 25$, and I want one for my newly rebuilt Teysa deck lol
Krav, the Unredeemed - Yeah, I was more so thinking to use him as extra card draw, lifegain, but you're probably right.
Kokusho, the Evening Star right?!? That flying can just run people down. And an (almost) auto 15 life swap is way better than what I think Gray merchant could do. You could get there, but it requires more setup with Gray merchant..
True, I added Keiga, the Tide Star because it seemed good on paper at first when I came across the thought of adding Kokusho haha
Yeah, I thought of that after the fact, I think Judith, the Scourge Diva would be better as a commander, which I am considering xD
Idk, to me, Hall of the Bandit Lord seems better than Guildmages' Forum and others, because most times it'll put you on dethrone, cast marchesa, and you swing and get the counter anyway, instead of having to wait a turn to pay the extra mana from the other lands that add counters.
Yeah haha I know, nothing really exciting, BUT necessary in a 3 color deck. If I could, I would add a Mana crypt, but...no lol I'll look around for other mana rocks. To be honest, I've been considering cutting all of the signets... I noticed your list and a few others don't run any in the deck. Too low of a curve to justify it? Waste of a turn 2/3 play? Who knows.
Thank you man, I really appreciate the help. I'll check out your maybe list :))
2 months ago
I've tried several of the cards from your cut list and I'm obviously not running several of them, my thoughts are Dimir House Guard and Sidisi, Undead Vizier are easily replaced by (better) tutors and you could easily make due with fewer tutors than i'm running, especially if you're trying to dial things back a bit.
I like Razaketh, the Foulblooded as a top of the curve finisher creature with upsides. for me i have a decent amount of artifact ramp to be able to cast him (and Shifting Shadow to maybe grab him for free), but I will readily admit that he's at the absolute top of my curve and could easily be replaced since he doesn't really add too much to the deck. he's just a "win more" card really and I don't think I would miss him all that much if i cut him.
Guildmages' Forum is better than Opal Palace in my opinion and i don't see much need to run both. Forum lets you put a counter on any multicolored creature (which i have several) and palace only on marchesa, so it's a straight improvement.
Forge of Heroes sounds like a terrible mobile game, but it's a great insurance policy on marchesa and unlike opal palace, etc. you can use it even if it isn't your turn.
the scry lands obviously could be replaced by ABUR duals or something, but i'm not made of money and haven't ever really felt they were hindering the deck so may as well keep them.
I don't really rate Helm of the Host too highly, it doesn't do anything in particular for the deck and it costs soooo much mana.
Aetherborn Marauder , Bloodhunter Bat , Filigree Familiar none of these has that great of an effect in my opinion. looks like you're wanting to work some life gain into the deck and i think it's a good idea to have some. i run Basilisk Collar and Wurmcoil Engine to fill that role. of those cards you linked i think Gray Merchant of Asphodel is probably the best option and is a card i have considered. but so far between my card draw and tutors i've not had too much trouble finding one of my lifegain cards and it is usually feasible to steal something with lifelink via Hostage Taker or Thief of Sanity
I'm running Massacre Wurm as a newer addition and so far it's working out, though i'm not 100% sold on it. it mostly clears tokens and Elvish Mystic s and such, but the life loss on it can be fairly substantial. i could go either way on it right now.
Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip is amazing. i would play it even if it didn't turn into a planeswalker. 4/4 flying ETB opponents discard is already super good. i usually don't even bother to flip him most of the time. if you were going to add one card this is high on my list of recommendations. he's performed strongly every game i play him.
Krav, the Unredeemed is kind of high on the mana curve for this kind of effect. considering he doesn't have flying (oddly) or any other evasion i'm not a big fan of using him as a beater, and so he's in a bit of a rough spot.
i don't see any reason to run Judith, the Scourge Diva she's not really better than Blood Artist or similar and there's plenty of effects like this in a variety of forms (creature, enchantment, etc) i think the incidental life loss to a single player or a couple points of damage to a creature is not going to really be anything to write home about and in EDH when you have 120 life to deal with it's just not good enough.
I don't see any point in running Embargo as it doesn't synergize with the deck particularly well. i suppose you could try to use it to keep your opponents creatures tapped down for some swings, but i dont really think there's much point in it. i speak similarly about Herald of Secret Streams in my write up.
Hall of the Bandit Lord is might be worth running, but i haven't ever tested it.
Coalition Relic is fine, it's a cmc3 rock. nothing special. i would recommend you run CMC2 or less rocks if you can, but as far as CMC3 ones go it's on the better end.
feel free to mess around with cards in my maybe board if you're looking to try some different things. i haven't tried all of them, but they're things that have caught my eye from time to time.
2 months ago
Hey Lokotor, Your Marchesa list is honestly one of the only few ones that I like on tappedout ha
I was wondering if I could get some advice. How can I improve my deck? I don't wnt to make it super OP. But more fun, and resilient. All the life loss to stay on the throne is sometimes, a lot of times, an issue. In multiplayer I may take out 1 person, 2 sometimes, but then I'm the next to go.
I'm thinking of swapping some cards. Big list of cards I'm considering. How have these cards worked for you if you've played with them?
Helm of the Host - seems reall good, Aetherborn Marauder , Bloodhunter Bat , Filigree Familiar , Gray Merchant of Asphodel , Massacre Wurm , Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip, Krav, the Unredeemed , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Judith, the Scourge Diva , Etali, Primal Storm , Hall of the Bandit Lord , Embargo , Coalition Relic
I know there are a few different types of cards in there, but you can see where it's going. I want to recoup some of the life loss, increase mana, make the deck a bit faster, etc.
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