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Creature — Zombie Wizard
When Vindictive Lich dies, choose one or more. Each mode must target a different player.
*Target opponent sacrifices a creature.
*Target opponent discards two cards.
*Target opponent loses 5 life.
Vindictive Lich Discussion
1 week ago
Clones are an option here too, I typically end up cloning my own stuff in Marchesa. Spark Double can copy Marchesa for double Dethrone. Dack's Duplicate is also really good here. Phyrexian Metamorph / Phantasmal Image are also good options but aren't as budget friendly.
Vindictive Lich is also really good here and gives you a win-con outside of combat.
2 weeks ago
Legion Loyalist is also great here when you go the aggro route.
Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa To Love Them
3 weeks ago
Non Combat Win: Metallic Mimic with any sac outlet and Vindictive Lich , Kokusho, the Evening Star , and/or Gray Merchant of Asphodel . These ETB's and death triggers done on each player's turn ends games fast. Lifegain seems counterproductive... it's not when used right.
3 weeks ago
It sounds like you are more of a fan of Disciple of Bolas than Soul of the Harvest . Are we playing that many creatures with higher power to get more benefit out of Disciple of Bolas? I may look and see how many cards Disciple of Bolas would draw over Krav, the Unredeemed .
Sylvan Library was one of the first cards I put into the deck. Are we playing green? Ok, Sylvan Library goes into the deck.
3 weeks ago
Ok, I have several suggestions for you.
First, you're very light on creatures for a deck with so many sac outlets that's focusing on Marchesa's creature recursion. Several of your instants and sorceries have better options on an etb. Your avg cmc on your creatures is also pretty high (3.88) and the deck does better with more synergy on board when Marchesa hits the field.
ETB/DEATH Triggers: Vindictive Lich , Zealous Conscripts (steal, attack, and sac and it stays yours), Venser, Shaper Savant (enchantment answer), Aura Thief (THE enchantment answer), and Sower of Temptation .
3 weeks ago
Secondly, make custom categories. In my aristocrats deck, Lie, Steal, Cheat, and SURVIVE!, I separate these into
- Sac Outlets: More on this in a moment
- Sacrificial Lambs: Vindictive Lich is a prime example
- Blood Artistry: I have access to four good ones
- Mana Rocks: More on this in a moment
- Card Draw: Dark Prophecy
- Board Wipes: More on this in a moment
- +1/+1 Counters: You don't have this synergy, but consider it the "cute interactions" section
- Full Power: This is the section for your haymakers that end the game almost immediately. Mass reanimation like Command the Dreadhorde or Black Market go here.
Once you do that, you understand what gameplans you want the deck to adopt and what ones just don't fit. You finally see the level of consistency that your list offers.
You have four mana rocks in the entire deck, not counting Ashnod's and Phyrexian Altar. The odds of you having those early on in the game to ramp are extremely low. Talisman of Hierarchy , Worn Powerstone , Coalition Relic , Thran Dynamo , Fellwar Stone . Run these and the clunkiness will be reduced. Oh, Black Market and Smothering Tithe are auto-inclusions.
Granted, I have no knowledge of your meta, but I do think that you could use a few more board wipes. Grave Pact , Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Damnation and Wrath of God oughta do the trick. Since budget is your concern, try Day of Judgment and Hour of Revelation .
1 month ago
IN Teysa, Orzhov Scion , Open the Graves , Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Grim Haruspex , Body Snatcher , Sangromancer , Vindictive Lich , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Massacre Wurm , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Arena Rector , Lost Auramancers , God-Eternal Oketra
1 month ago
Frank_Glascock I think those are some proper swaps :) Like I said before Garruk, Apex Predator is somewhat of a pet card thats why I run it. Destructor Dragon you should reconsider cause it can destroy lands, Vindictive Lich is something I want to try out and see if it works.
I don't think Pitiless Plunderer is worth the spot. My list runs 10+ tutors, most of the time the first card I go for is Sakura-Tribe Elder . The same reason I don't want to run Awakening Zone I literally don't need the mana. The only thing that would make me pick Awakening Zone over Pitiless Plunderer is the fact that it makes creatures and thus more synergy with Meren.
Victimize I'm currently trying out since it's a back up for meren if I can't keep her on the field. I have many ways of getting stuff in my grave. A simple Victimize can get a Sheoldred back on the table....in Theory...
Krav was a bit of a hard cut. It was a card I actually had quite some time on the table and often he did not performed that much tbh... I think he shines more in a token deck than he does in meren. Cause if you play him mostly for the sac outlet then I think Birthing Pod is better. Talking about birthing Pod, it won me the game last wednesday cause I was able to get all my pieces out of my deck :)
I'm now trying to find a spot for Massacre Wurm . I have it in my binder and was playing (same wednesday) against Krenko and found out that I have ways to deal with krenko, but not with all the tokes he makes :)
Vindictive Lich occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%