Hello! I am an EDH and draft player primarily who dabbles in Legacy and Modern, never Standard; I have nearly one deck in every color combination possible (before 4 colors came out). Only Jund remains unfinished, and Dimir needs to be rebuilt from scratch. I am constantly rebuilding my decks and am never really satisfied with them.

Starting in March 2017 I began building my second round of decks, not sticking to one of each color combination but instead pursuing archetypes or generals that specifically interest me that I don't feel I've fully explored before. Mistform Ultimus was the first, then Neheb, the Eternal , and Haakon, Stromgald Scourge , each of which is the highest rated deck with those commanders on TappedOut.

If you're considering suggesting what seems like a really obvious omission for my decks, please don't. If it's not in there, it's not because I'm unaware of it or can't afford it, it's because I set myself deck building restrictions so that my decks feel unique and innovative. When I build a deck I do lengthy Gatherer searches of multiple search terms and comb the entire canon of MtG for the cards I want. I don't ever use EDH.rec, even though it's a great site for beginners, and I try to avoid decks being full of staples. Ask instead why I chose not to include something and I'll tell you, because every card that made the cut has a reason and every card that didn't had a reason too.

I typically build my EDH decks according to the EDH Law of Perfect Squares. That is, 36 lands, 64 non-lands. One of the non-lands is obviously the commander and some of the 64 cards need to be mana ramp/acceleration. This method stands up in the modern-mulligan environment after the rules change of 2016 where partial Paris mulligans were taken away as long as the deck is still built well.

I would like to make the case for best card draw color in EDH. This is often mentioned offhand and it always bothers me for some reason. People seem to assume that it is blue because blue is the best at drawing cards in all the other formats, but I think it is a solid third best in EDH. What are the best cards in EDH in blue for drawing? Consecrated Sphinx , Rhystic Study , Azami, Lady of Scrolls , Arcanis the Omnipotent , Recurring Insight , and X spells right? Those either require your opponents to draw, not pay for a tax or for you to have an abundance of wizards or mana to dump into an X spell. They are not efficient or capable of massive draws or abusable cantrips to fuel big turns except for combo with Azami or Arcanis maybe.

By contrast, green, which is far and away the best card draw color in EDH, has stuff like Momentous Fall , Shamanic Revelation , Collective Unconscious , Greater Good , Inspiring Call , Soul of the Harvest , Garruk's Packleader , Regal Force , Life's Legacy , Soul's Majesty , Rishkar's Expertise , the enchantress shell cantrippers like Argothian Enchantress , Enchantress' Presence, Verduran Enchantress , not to mention all the ways to tutor in green for the creature you need right now to just draw a bunch of cards. The reason that these options are better than blue in EDH is because they reward you for the strategy you're already playing in green. Are you playing big dudes and a lot of them, or at least a lot of dudes? Yes, you are because you're playing green, and that's what these draw spells reward you for. You can drop an Avenger of Zendikar and then next turn cast Shamanic Revelation and draw 8+ cards probably for 5 mana and still have at least 3+ mana open probably, and that is worst case scenario. This strategy is superior to blue also in that unlike Consecrated Sphinx or Rhystic Study, it doesn't paint a huge target on your head. Nobody is going to say, "Oh he/she has an AoZ, they're gonna draw a ton of cards!"

The second best color for card draw, and really it's hard to say which is better (this or green), is black. It has Necropotence , Dark Prophecy , Grim Haruspex , Harvester of Souls , Kothophed, Soul Hoarder , Decree of Pain , Skullclamp (I know it's not black, but it is played in probably 100% of black decks and since black decks most efficiently sac their own dudes, black decks abuse this card the best), Disciple of Bolas , Phyrexian Arena , Dark Confidant , all of the instants and sorceries that say lose life and draw cards (e.g. Sanguimancy , Necrologia , and Skeletal Scrying ) and my new favorite, Infernal Tribute , or even Phyrexian Etchings . The reason most of these are superior is because again they abuse the strategy you're already doing in black very efficiently. Black is abusing the graveyard and these say draw cards when you do that, or pay life to draw cards (and probably gain it back because there's plenty of lifegain in black).

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  1. Alesha, Who Smiles at Death: Plays: 26 - Wins: 16

  2. Avacyn, Angel of Hope: Plays: 40 - Wins: 23

  3. Aurelia, the Warleader: Plays: 41 - Wins: 24

  4. Brago, King Eternal: Plays: 44 - Wins: 24

  5. Captain Sisay : Plays: Under Construction a/o 14 March 2017 - Wins: 0

  6. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician: Plays: 24 - Wins: 17

  7. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief: Plays: 38 - Wins: 28

  8. Intet, the Dreamer: Plays: 14 - Wins: 6

  9. Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Plays: 25 - Wins: 18

  10. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund : Plays: Under Construction a/o 14 March 2017 - Wins: 0

  11. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: Plays: 94 - Wins: 54

  12. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: Plays: 53 - Wins: 35

  13. Marchesa, the Black Rose: Plays: 33 - Wins: 19

  14. The Mimeoplasm: Plays: 29 - Wins: 14

  15. Mistform Ultimus: Plays: 23 - Wins: 11

  16. Narset, Enlightened Master: Plays: 65 - Wins: 41

  17. Nath of the Gilt Leaf: Plays: 27 - Wins: 17

  18. Neheb, the Eternal: Plays: 11 - Wins: 9

  19. Niv Mizzet, the Firemind: Plays: 21 - Wins: 9

  20. Omnath, Locus of Mana: Plays: 46 - Wins: 33

  21. Progenitus: Plays: 63 - Wins: 27

  22. Rakdos, Lord of Riots: Plays: 43 - Wins: 21

  23. Sen Triplets: Plays: 41 - Wins: 23

  24. Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir: Plays: 67 - Wins: 40

  25. Uril, the Miststalker: Plays: 74 - Wins: 41

  26. Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter: Plays: 105 - Wins: 65

  27. Vorel of the Hull Clade: Plays: 35 - Wins: 23

  28. Wort, the Raidmother: Plays: 91 - Wins: 58

  29. Wrexial, the Risen Deep : Plays: 12 - Wins: 6

  1. Alesha, Who Smiles at Death: Plays: 26 - Wins: 16

  2. Avacyn, Angel of Hope: Plays: 45 - Wins: 27

  3. Aurelia, the Warleader: Plays: 51 - Wins: 34

  4. Brago, King Eternal: Plays: 44 - Wins: 24

  5. Captain Sisay: Plays: 0 - Wins: 0

  6. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician: Plays: 24 - Wins: 17

  7. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief: Plays: 38 - Wins: 28

  8. Haakon, Stromgald Scourge: Plays: 14 - Wins: 7

  9. Intet, the Dreamer: Plays: 24 - Wins: 14

  10. Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Plays: 25 - Wins: 18

  11. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund : Plays: Under Construction a/o 14 March 2017 - Wins: 0

  12. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: Plays: 94 - Wins: 54

  13. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: Plays: 59 - Wins: 38

  14. Marchesa, the Black Rose: Plays: 33 - Wins: 19

  15. The Mimeoplasm: Plays: 29 - Wins: 14

  16. Mistform Ultimus: Plays: 34 - Wins: 18

  17. Narset, Enlightened Master: Plays: 78 - Wins: 51

  18. Nath of the Gilt Leaf: Plays: 33 - Wins: 22

  19. Neheb, the Eternal: Plays: 20 - Wins: 15

  20. Niv Mizzet, the Firemind: Plays: 24 - Wins: 9

  21. Omnath, Locus of Mana: Plays: 46 - Wins: 33

  22. Progenitus: Plays: 65 - Wins: 29

  23. Rakdos, Lord of Riots: Plays: 43 - Wins: 21

  24. Sen Triplets: Plays: 41 - Wins: 23

  25. Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir: Plays: 67 - Wins: 40

  26. Uril, the Miststalker: Plays: 89 - Wins: 49

  27. Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter: Plays: 116 - Wins: 76

  28. Vorel of the Hull Clade: Plays: 37 - Wins: 24

  29. Wort, the Raidmother: Plays: 94 - Wins: 59

  30. Wrexial, the Risen Deep : Plays: 12 - Wins: 6

  1. Alesha, Who Smiles at Death: Plays: 31 - Wins: 18

  2. Avacyn, Angel of Hope: Plays: 48 - Wins: 29

  3. Aurelia, the Warleader: Plays: 51 - Wins: 34

  4. Brago, King Eternal: Plays: 46 - Wins: 25

  5. Captain Sisay: Plays: 10 - Wins: 9

  6. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician: Plays: 24 - Wins: 17

  7. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief: Plays: 44 - Wins: 31

  8. Haakon, Stromgald Scourge: Plays: 28 - Wins: 13

  9. Intet, the Dreamer: Plays: 24 - Wins: 14

  10. Ith, High Arcanist: Plays: 0 - Wins: 0

  11. Jodah, Archmage Eternal (formerly Progenitus : Plays: 77 - Wins: 39

  12. Karador, Ghost Chieftain: Plays: 26 - Wins: 19

  13. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund : Plays: Under Construction - Wins: 0

  14. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: Plays: 99 - Wins: 55

  15. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth: Plays: 59 - Wins: 38

  16. Marchesa, the Black Rose: Plays: 40 - Wins: 22

  17. The Mimeoplasm: Plays: 32 - Wins: 17

  18. Mistform Ultimus: Plays: 37 - Wins: 21

  19. Narset, Enlightened Master: Plays: 94 - Wins: 64

  20. Nath of the Gilt Leaf: Plays: 39 - Wins: 27

  21. Neheb, the Eternal: Plays: 34 - Wins: 19

  22. Niv Mizzet, the Firemind: Plays: 24 - Wins: 9

  23. Omnath, Locus of Mana: Plays: 51 - Wins: 36

  24. Rakdos, Lord of Riots: Plays: 44 - Wins: 22

  25. Sen Triplets: Plays: 48 - Wins: 28

  26. Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir: Plays: 80 - Wins: 51

  27. Uril, the Miststalker: Plays: 95 - Wins: 51

  28. Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter: Plays: 124 - Wins: 81

  29. Vorel of the Hull Clade: Plays: 38 - Wins: 25

  30. Wort, the Raidmother: Plays: 94 - Wins: 59

  31. Wrexial, the Risen Deep : Plays: 12 - Wins: 6

Hey dude! I just found your tapped out page, and I was wondering if you're based out of Fayetteville? If so, I'd love to get together and get your opinion on some decks of mine, specifically my Sen Triplets Deck I just put together. I really dig all the stuff you've got here on your page, and I'd appreciate if you could pass on some wisdom.

March 5, 2019 6:30 p.m.

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I didn’t realize you only had two red cards in the whole deck besides Conflux until I cast it and had Nicky B in hand and had to take Jund Charm lol. Super fun to play test. I’d recommend playing one or two other value red cards for additional targets if you’re looking for suggestions. OG Marchesa, the Black Rose would be great insurance for Ramos from getting taken off the field by destruction spells and Rakdos Charm is probably one of the most excellent and versatile charms. Both are extremely efficient color-wise for Ramos too. Super fun deck again.

March 12, 2019 7:58 p.m.

I’m down for 200 card EDH. Makes my Dune deck super easy to build.

March 12, 2019 2:34 p.m.

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Lol yup. Thanks for the upvote on my Derevi deck haha. Random choice. I haven’t looked at that decklist in years haha gonna probably miss most of this Thursday because the commanders brew guys are debuting their gameplay series at 8pm EST I think.

March 11, 2019 10:37 p.m.

resplendentobscurity sure thing! Yeah your deck is a really excellent example of using Grenzo's ability in a control-style deck. I haven't really built an aggro EDH deck before or a deck that even wants to attack much so I decided to use this as an opportunity to do that but also include my uniquely created Mortuary combo too.

I'm glad you like the Thrumming Stone interaction and that I was able to share it with you! I hope you can get one in there. You make a good point about the rats, except that just seems really boring to me to put a ton of rats out all at once. I'd rather play more interesting creatures so I think 10 rats is as many as I can stomach.

In testing so far the enchantments have been great. Yes, ideally all my cards would be creatures but so many of the enchantments are so uniquely good in here. Magus of the Will, as you identified, is perfect for getting all the stuff back that you dump in the yard. I don't want to ever exile him though, ergo the Kiki-Jiki, Flameshadow Conjuring , and Feldon to copy Magus of the Will whenever I need to. Just important to remember not to use Grenzo after Magus or you'll just exile the cards.

Desecrated Tomb is fantastic just for the extra body, but it's great fuel for Ashnod's Altar especially to keep giving gas to Grenzo! I have had some mana problems in my playtesting so far so I'll probably adjust the list to put some more colorless mana rocks in.

Suns_Champion thank you so much! I always appreciate your feedback and taking a look at my stuff. I love the flavor on Rix Maadi, that's so great, but the card seems too weak over all and Sire of Insanity just gets it done all at once. I would put it in if I could fit more colorless lands but I've been so colorscrewed already in playtesting that I don't think I want to risk running more of them. :(

March 9, 2019 8:49 p.m.

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#5

Hey Austin!

March 7, 2019 11:30 p.m.

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#6

Check out my Grenzo list that I just finished, Grenzo's Thrummin' Dungeon [[PRIMER]]. It has some different ideas for combos that I haven't seen other people try too much which you might find useful/enjoyable.

March 5, 2019 12:11 a.m.

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#7

I feel like Past in Flames is an obvious include for the spellslinger/ Doomsday version of Grenzo because you can put it in the yard with him and then play all your stuff straight from there, including Doomsday and all your rituals a second time.

March 5, 2019 12:05 a.m.

Haven’t papered the deck or tried it on here yet as I just put together the list of 200ish cards I’m considering. I simultaneously built and papered my new GDW deck Grenzo's Thrummin' Dungeon because I had most of it together already. And instead of Jihad, I’m going to play Shared Animosity in the dune deck because it’s light years better and has a very Jihad-y feel and name still.

March 4, 2019 7:58 p.m.

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#9

Hi thom-le, thanks for taking the time to playtest and comment. I haven’t updated this list for over a year and it has more lands and manaramp in it now. I’ll update the list on here to reflect where it’s at soon. Also, the CMC to lands ratio is uniquely skewed in Neheb lists because he blows up your mana situation so explosively all by himself.

March 1, 2019 11:55 p.m.

Been thinking about the larger Dune saga and universe a lot lately and kind of reframing a lot of my decks as metaphors for parts of it. Sen Triplets seems like the perfect blend of the Thinking Machines crossed with the Bene Geserit. All of the artificers are mentats. Just thinking. Can’t wait for the new movie lol

March 1, 2019 6:56 p.m.

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#11

If you like my Haakon deck I would appreciate an upvote!

February 27, 2019 8 a.m.

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