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Chain of Vapor
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Then that permanent's controller may sacrifice a land. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.
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Chain of Vapor Discussion
6 days ago
I don't think Simian Spirit Guide into Pyroblast or REB works. The problem is you don't have any way to discard Kozilek and loop your deck, since you won't necessarily have infinite mana to activate The Locust God with this combo. (It's the same problem I ran into trying to loop Frantic Search, there's no way to dump extra cards and you eventually deck yourself.)
If you're looking for the least number of dead cards, the best I can think of is Simian Spirit Guide + Firestorm. Firestorm is a little bit less dead than Flash, and it doesn't need any extra mana to go off.
Also, Chain of Vapor isn't a loop, you just want to stop the combo with your whole deck (one card on top!) in your hand so you can use one of your other combos to win.
6 days ago
I know I want to include Kindred Discovery in the deck for sure, I simply don't know yet which combo will be the one here. I would like to make it as compact as possible, so there would not be too many dead cards included.
Simply to add to your list, another combo I thaught about (did not saw it anywhere but probably it has been talked about) would be Simian Spirit Guideinto something like Pyroblast or Red Elemental Blast. The cards would not be dead outside the combo since they can be used to great effects in cEDH, and we could slot in Guide which would be amazing. We would also have access to the Chain of Vaporloop, I think it would be enough. Thoughts? I think this would be the most compact way to go.
1 week ago
I don't know if you've caught this yet, but there's been a lot of discussion about the new card, Kindred Discovery, and how it makes an uncontrolled loop with The Locust God to draw forever. People are coming up with all sorts of ideas for how to break the loop and avoid decking yourself (most involving Flash and LabMan, or pitching Kozilek to Firestorm with a ritual), but I think the best plan is already in the deck: Just Chain of Vapor it back to your hand once you've picked up your deck and win from there. If Chain of Vapor is in your graveyard you can also use Frantic Search to pitch Koz and shuffle it back into your library (just remember to have at least 2 cards on top).
Some other ways to win if you wanted to build into it:
Flash playing LabMan and paying the extra . Needs three mana to win.
A ritual into Firestorm discarding Kozilek and whatever else to loop your deck and burn your opponents out. Costs vary depending on the ritual you use, but Simian Spirit Guide into a looped Infernal Plunge could work for no extra mana. (Incidentally, Simian Spirit Guide is the only free mana you cast at instant speed in these colors, so it's probably worth the include if you add this combo to the deck.)
Battle Hymn into Fateful Showdown to much the same effect as above. this one's a little more clunky, but has merit as outside the combo Battle Hymn could be a big ritual and Fateful Showdown a extra Windfall. Needs 2 mana to win.
1 month ago
@Jpegwun, I'd recommend you proxy the Deck IRL or playtest it on Cockatrice before buying-in. Marchesa has been my bae since I started playing EDH and I know that she's the perfect Commander for me. Whether she's fun or not will depend on your playstyle and your preferences.
I play Marchesa as a value Engine. You can recur creatures with ETBs to generate a bunch of value through this Engine. For Example: Baleful Strix ETBs and draws a Card. You attack with Strix to trigger Dethrone (While Marchesa is out), then sacrifice the Strix on your 2nd Main Phase. On your End Step, Strix will recur itself, netting you another Card and whatever the output of your Sac Outlet is. This Engine can be looped for as long as you can Dethrone and only gets more insane as you add in more pieces. Add Grave Pact to cause an edict effect every loop. Add Grim Haruspex to draw an additional Card each loop. Add Flayer of the Hatebound to throw around some damage each loop, etc etc. Also, remember that Marchesa will protect herself with her own ability.
The standard loop can be repeated once every round. However, if you add Vigean Graftmage, Unspeakable Symbol, Feast on the Fallen, or Olivia, Mobilized for War, you can repeat the loop on every turn, generating 4 loops of the Engine every round. There's a bunch of stuff that you can add to make the Engine more and more insane. Then finally, when you've generated a bunch of value, you Combo off using a combination of Cards from the "Combo" section of my Decklist. You create a loop where a Wizard with Persist will never die, and you generate Infinite outputs depending on the Sac Outlet being used: Mana, Damage, Mill, Draw, etc etc.
Lastly, things like Karn Liberated, Chain of Vapor, Chaos Warp, and Venser, Shaper Savant are all included so that I can hit Enchantments. My group plays hard-Stax and I need to be able to remove a Rest in Peace. You can change and remove these, along with expensive Cards like Sneak Attack and Mana Crypt to suit your playgroup's and your own needs. I also ran Bearer of the Heavens before Razaketh as a mass-enchantment boardwipe that also ends the game.
1 month ago
For interaction in Esper I recommend Swan Song, Swords to Plowshares, Rapid Hybridization, Delay, Fragmentize, Disenchant, Counterspell, Arcane Denial Spell Pierce Negate Chain of Vapor, and on the slightly more expensive side Cyclonic Rift and Toxic Deluge
1 month ago
1 month ago
I have a similar group deck that trys to win by drawing everybody out. Everyone likes to draw cards, right? if you want to give it a look.
1 month ago
All of those cards are the set they're listed as in my binder.
I don't think I want to trade my Chain of Vapor at the moment, but I would trade the others.
They total up to $14.72, so I'd be interested in trading for your Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet ($14.59).