Chain of Vapor

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Custom Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Commander 2016 (C16) Uncommon
Onslaught (ONS) Uncommon

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Chain of Vapor

Instant

Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Then that permanent's controller may sacrifice a land. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.

Chain of Vapor Discussion

hellhole3927 on On Tilts

5 days ago

One thing you could possibly cut for Chain of Vapor is Time Spiral . Personally I'm a huge fan of wheel effects (one of my favorite card draw disruption methods), but even in EDH I have always found this card to be too costly. I mean if it gets countered you just lost a whole turn and as a combo control player I can just say that's a chance I would prefer to never take. The only group wheel effects I can think could be beneficial to this list are Windfall and Day's Undoing (the end turn clause on Day's Undoing you can just forget about, we play control their turns are our turns). Another card I would cut is Diminishing Returns , tapping down 4 lands on your turn to give everyone card advantage just says death for you against hyper aggressive builds. BTW, don't forget about Geier Reach Sanitarium , if you run Mikokoro, Center of the Sea then why not?

dingusdingo on The magic touch.

1 week ago

Alright lets break down your deck and take a peak.

Lands

Nothing too crazy with your land base. I'm not wild about the "two or fewer" lands, or the "two or more opponents" lands, but they work inside an EDH pod. Two or fewer is worse in my opinion. Forbidden Orchard is a card you should definitely consider, Gemstone Caverns as well. River of Tears is not reliable and I'm not a fan. Obviously the original Duals will serve you well here, but those are $$$.

Looks like your land base is trying to run High Tide as well as Tainted Pact . Those cards unfortunately aren't compatible, so you need to choose one package. I think Tainted Pact is a better choice because its a neat A + B with Laboratory Maniac , whereas you don't have a guaranteed outlet for all that High Tide mana. Consider trimming down to just 1x of all your lands, look at one time rainbow lands if you need budget Aether Hub Tendo Ice Bridge .

Wincons

Simply put, you have too many win cons. Turn the slots from the weaker ones into support for your stronger ones.

Wanderwine Prophets is expensive to cast. It also requires combat damage to a player, meaning your combo is only live as long as you can swing freely. Regardless, its still a strong way to close games. You need to run proper support for reanimating. First, you need to increase reanimation density. Necromancy Apprentice Necromancer Exhume Shallow Grave . Next, you need to ensure you can get your reanimation targets to the graveyard. Careful Study is probably the only one I'd add, although there are certainly more options. Finally, it helps to have extra reanimation payloads in case Wanderwine is unavailable. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and Consecrated Sphinx are both strong enough to cause you to run away with games from card advantage, most likely guaranteeing a win.

Next, Tainted Pact / Demonic Consultation + Laboratory Maniac . I think this is the strongest win condition you're currently running. Important that you pack density of "draw a card" effects to guarantee same turn winning. Make sure to optimize your land base so Tainted Pact is a guarantee!

Mind Over Matter + Azami, Lady of Scrolls is your weakest combo. Its needlessly expensive at 11 mana! The pieces are also the hardest to cast and tutor. The 4 blue in MoM makes it prohibitive sometimes, same with the 3 in Azami. The pieces are also found by the fewest amount of tutors you run, while the tainted pact combo is far more easily searchable.

Doomsday is strong but you are lacking some necessary cards. Gush and Gitaxian Probe will make your life far easier. Same with Lion's Eye Diamond . I would currently cut this from your deck.

Dualcaster Mage / Naru Meha, Master Wizard + Ghostly Flicker / Illusionist's Stratagem is also relatively weak. Requires you to hold then dump all the mana during the same turn, and 6-8 mana is not a fantastic range. The cards are also rather weak outside the combo, but not horrible. You can add additional value by getting more ETB creatures or blink effects for combo. Twinflame Heat Shimmer Cackling Counterpart Imperial Recruiter

Ramp

Looks like you know what you're missing as far as moxen goes. You should also consider running the Signet cards, gives reliable ramp that avoids land hate. Also adds artifact density for when you get that Mox Opal . Wayfarer's Bauble is bad and should be cut.

Card Draw

You are lacking some card draw that would help you. Dark Confidant Mystic Remora Rhystic Study . Sensei's Divining Top works extremely well with fetchlands and would provide value here. Top would also allow value wincons to be inserted like Dramatic Scepter or Paradox Engine . Kess, Dissident Mage gives massive value here and helps you escape from grindy mid games against other control decks. Wheel of Fortune and Timetwister will obviously help here, but are $$$. Windfall is extremely strong as it neutralizes opponents who get massive card advantage early in the game, or helps you after you dump a fast hand.

Interaction and Removal

Pyroblast is worse than REB and you shouldn't run it. 13 counterspells is certainly too high, you can also cut another. You currently run three spells that can deal with a resolved enchantment, Chain of Vapor Galecaster Colossus and Venser, Shaper Savant . A Rule of Law or Arcane Laboratory that has resolved ends your game. Galecaster is pretty low value and should be removed. Dismember both hits for a lot off of Ad Naus and costs a lot on your Ad Naus to be low costed to cast. You should swap it out for a sweeper like Pyroclasm or Earthquake , you already have strong targeted removal. Abrade is the exception, and should be added due to its flexibility.

Closing Thoughts

You are definitely on the right track. Cast a critical eye towards anything 3+ CMC, as those greatly rob your Ad naus and are harder to cast. Archaeomancer and Galecaster Colossus specifically stand out as removes. Test out a few different Grixis flavored wincons and see which one feels the best based on the paper cards you have. Take a peek at Kiki Jiki + friends, as well as Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal . Kiki fits into reanimator, and dramatic scepter is extremely easy to slot and assemble. Test out Dualcaster/Meha with additional combo payoffs, because there are quite a few that let them combo off. Your deck is currently at a point where you need to start greatly considering card quality and slot intensiveness. The fewer slots, the easier to cast, the more the pieces have value alone outside the combo, the better. You also need to start considering the hate pieces other decks are going to run. How do you handle Torpor Orb for example?

hellhole3927 on On Tilts

1 week ago

One more thing to consider... Chain of Vapor

Nerd_253 on Where did my Library go?

2 weeks ago

eagleneb91 Reversal seems bonkers against tutors. If I were you though, I'd replace Naturalize with Chain of Vapor . Chain hits all the same things as Naturalize and more.

eagleneb91 on Where did my Library go?

2 weeks ago

Nerd_253 There isn't a specific reason for not including Chain of Vapor . The slot the card was in has been replaced by Narset's Reversal top test out the new card. Unless you have another suggestion?

Nerd_253 on Where did my Library go?

2 weeks ago

Is there a reason for not including Chain of Vapor ?

fearphage on Kefnet Miracles

3 weeks ago

Chain of Vapor seems dangerous. You don't want people bouncing Scepter, a multi-countered As Foretold , B2B, or Kefnet. Maybe Blink of an Eye is another good bounce spell instead?

In my experience, Primal Amulet  Flip always feels a little to slow and expensive.

I see High Tide and Dramatic Scepter combo but not much to do with a ton of/infinite mana. Blue Sun's Zenith and Capsize seem like good outlets. BSZ lets you draw your and kill everyone with infinite mana.

Seeker of Insight could be Deal Broker or Cephalid Looter . Neither of them have limitations on when it can be used.

Karn, the Great Creator feels a bit out of place.

NoSoyYucateco on Akiri/Ludevic Smothering Tithe

1 month ago

Adding black would also let you run cards like Nekusar, the Mindrazer , Fate Unraveler , Kederekt Parasite , etc... as alternate win cons in case you lose your Smothering Tithe. Right now I'm a bit concerned that it's vulnerable to exile when Return to Dust and Merciless Eviction are format staples. Something like Into the Roil or Chain of Vapor would help you rescue your Smothering Tithe in that event. Barrin, Master Wizard would also be excellent for getting added utility out of your treasures.

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Chain of Vapor occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.04%

Blue: 0.26%

U/B/R (Grixis): 0.48%