Chain of Vapor
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Then that permanent's controller may sacrifice a land. If the player does, he or she may copy this spell and may choose a new target for that copy.
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Chain of Vapor occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
UBR (Grixis): 0.48%
Chain of Vapor Discussion
1 week ago
You clowns slapped a new commander on top of CVT and called it a day. I know that these authors are treated as if they walk on water around these parts, but at a certain point this is just getting ridiculous. Compare the lists between Chain Veil Teferi and this one. Do you really think the two commanders are that similar? There are probably less than 10 cards of difference between these lists. Do you really believe that a PW commander and an artifact centric commander should have a 90% overlap in their lists?
You guys seriously have to stop slotting Legacy's Allure . Its a slow meme card that only performs if its in your opening 7. It is a complete dead draw later in the game. It doesn't advance your own position. Its relevance on the board turn 3 and 4 depends largely on your position in the turn rotation. The card type makes it the worst for interactions in your own deck. It isn't guaranteed to land against important creatures, because it is based on Power. It crumples to creature buffs while its on the stack. This is a pet card, and I'm extremely tired of seeing it pop up in lists because some noob saw it here first. Aether Spellbomb outperforms this immensely in an Urza list, especially since this particular list runs out of gas and struggles with card draw. Spellbomb also can activate itself via tap when Urza is out. Spellbomb also adds further resilience in this deck by not relying on creature stealing effects, which can be negated via Homeward Path . Having this AND drake shut off by a card that can be grabbed by Crop Rotation is poor deck building. Especially consider that this deck runs ALMOST NO WAYS to handle resolved threats, but more on that later.
Recurring Insight is another pet card inclusion. Its a dead card in your hand until turn 4 or 5, dependent on opponents resources for functionality, and is sorcery speed. Slotting this card while slotting other big 4, 5, and 6 cmc spells like Fact or Fiction Time Spiral Future Sight and Tezzeret means you are going to have far more hands that require mulligans due to having multiple of these cards in hand. Insight also proves to be garbage when playing against any decks that run handstax effects, Oppression Necrogen Mists Bottomless Pit Mindslicer Sire Of Insanity and more.
I find it telling you do not run Mishra's Workshop . The artifact density in this deck is far too low for an Urza deck. Its also why it has problems with gas later. If you had proper artifact support and leaned heavier into stax pieces, you could activate Urza casually for card advantage while still advancing board position. Workshop lets you hit the board with extreme speed and build a presence. Unfortunately, there is nothing for Workshop to ramp to, because the authors are so absurdly worried about not being able to protect Urza while holding 12 counterspells. Pro tip: Your list would actually gain resilience from slotting greater synergy between the 99 and the commander, as well as adding ways outside of the commander to access large amounts of mana.
Speaking of the commander, and returning to removal, this deck folds to a resolved Pithing Needle Phyrexian Revoker Sorcerous Spyglass Cursed Totem or Linvala, Keeper of Silence . The lack of layering and the lack of permanent removal mean if any of these permanents hit the table naming Urza, this deck might as well as scoop. The tutors you do run lead mostly to artifacts, and there aren't slotted artifacts that can handle this problem. This deck can answer problems in one of four cards outside counterspells, namely Gilded Drake (good) Legacy's Allure (bad) Chain of Vapor (good but temporary) and Cyclonic Rift (also good but temporary). There is a single card that can tutor into these, Mystical Tutor . Seriously hope you're holding one of 5 cards in your 99 while piloting, or else you're going to look like a joke when turn 1 Needle shuts off your entire gameplan. Your combo outside of Urza is tedious to assemble, and you're simply not going to be able to outrace real combo decks.
The decision not to include Rings + Monolith is silly. Especially when you're having gas problems, adding in additional A + B pieces and layering with other pieces increases resilience and will allow you to, you know, win faster. You'll have more dead opening hands, but if you cut out the garbage like Recurring Insight your overall starting hand strength will raise. Rings is an especially good piece, as it allows complete combo tutor off Muddle, and allows value generation from fetches and various effects like Inventors' Fair . Also consider Rings + Monolith as a combo versus Grim + Power Artifact. Rings has MUCH better usage than Power Artifact outside the combo, and the speed benefit from Grim is marginal compared to Basalt.
Speaking of Fair, it also shocks me that Expedition Map is not in this list. Map -> Fair -> Scepter is a line kids, and having pieces that fetch into the line means greater resilience and layering. Map also has value in fetching Tabernacle against Tymna decks, since this list runs pretty much 0 other answers to Tymna.
This deck is missing some artifacts that should be shoe-ins. Howling Mine is a no brainer. Even if Urza isn't on the field the entire game, receiving 7 cards during the game while giving 2 to your opponents is still beneficial to the pilot. Ensnaring Bridge should also be a no brainer. Slow beats from Pod decks, and stop Tymna, and shut off some infinite creature swinging combos. Trinisphere is another no brainer. It is such a massive slowdown piece. It doesn't matter if you decide to turn it off for a rotation. The pilot gets the decision of when to turn it off, not the opponents. I should not have to explain the benefit here. Even turning it off, the pilot still has the choice between stax effect or mana every time they use it. Even if its turned off on turn 5, if it delayed a turn 4 spell to turn 5 when its turned off it has done significant work.
This is without a doubt the most uninspired and phoned-in list I've seen attached to your names sickrobot ShaperSavant Lerker LabManiac_Sigi. Congratulations on building a $4000 turn 9 combo durdle machine, would give this a downvote if I could.
1 week ago
Thanks for your opinion & honest Work on this Deck
Lands & Manabase
I think the Manabase should be not the Problem here
I dont play any of these expensive Lands in any of my Commander Decks and i didn't see any disadvantage in my Playgroups
The Lands i use here are all in stock and so i don't have to buy them
So if i will get my Hands on a better Land, i can exchange them with one in any of my Decks.
Anyway i see the Advantage on your choice of Lands and i will put them on the Upgrade List for this Deck with one exception
This one is on his way into the Deck
Never mind Cavern of Souls will be on the Upgrade list too but i have other Decks where i have to put this 60 Bucks in first ;-)
Baleful Strix + Arcane Adaptation + Wingcrafter
I didn't think about any other Creature's because i wanted to make it a Tribal Ninja CMDR
The only one i had in mind was Changeling Outcast
So for Arcane Adaptation , Baleful Strix & Wingcrafter i will cut Price of Knowledge , Downsize & Drowned Secrets
I dont consider anymore :-)
Temporal Trespass , Dig Through Time & Treasure Cruise are in of course
Now i have to learn to fuck up my grave but i think i can handle this :-D
So Folio of Fancies , Spellbook are out and now i'm in struggle
I think that The Magic Mirror + Venser's Journal is a "too nice" Combo to Cut and on the other hand they have high CMC
Cutting Spellbook was also hard because Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow and all the others Ninja's "hopfully" gives you so much Cards
So i don't want to cut more "No Maximum Handsize" Cards because i think they're essential
The last card to cut you're offering is Erratic Portal so this one is Out
But this one was in for Protecting some of the "Nasty Ninja's" against hitting the grave from Battletricks
Hopefully the Entomb + Filth or Entomb + Wonder combo and / or Crystal Shard , Walker of Secret Ways will do their job
So Vampiric Tutor is a well known Card but i think I've got enough Top Deck Manipulation and the "Cards to cut" are Rare. Same is true for Insidious Dreams wich i didn't know before
I had Lim-Dul's Vault on mind when i builded this Deck and maybe this is a game changing "Top Deck Manipulation" because of the mass of Cards u can look at
So i will clear the Maybeboard and all three are in there and i f i find a card to cut Lim-Dul's Vault will be the one who gets in 1st
Chain of Vapor
So here i need a quick 101 on this Card
"At this Moment i'm too stupid to understand how this card work and why it is so good in a Yuriko Deck" So i'm not too stupid to understand how this card works @all-> i'm too stupid why this one should be good and don't any have clue on this combo
So please give me the "Breakthrough"
Shitty English & Bad Grammar
Sorry for my very Basic English Grammar and this shitty English
I think in my Mothers Language much of this Desaster would sound very differnt :-D
And here are some dots and commas if u need them -> ........,,,,,,,, :-D
Update of the Deck will be done soon
1 week ago
For cEDH level, I'd recommend putting in:
Mystic Remora for additional card draw
Vampiric Tutor for your instant generic tutor and Imperial Seal if you can afford it. Lim-Dul's Vault is also a good tutor/pile maker and Merchant Scroll can search Dramatic Reversal and any counterspell/blue removal spell.
With the banning of Paradox Engine , Despark does not have many relevant targets. In fact, I'd say it's only niche to reanimator targets or any other big creatures that get cheated out, which is VERY dependent on your meta.
Arcane Denial is something I'd only find not bad if it's literally used to protect your win con on the turn that you're going to win; otherwise, you just netted your opponent over you. This one's up to you but I'd rather not play it.
1 week ago
Hey, no deck is jank when it has Top, Rack, Demonic, Drain and Study :)
Baleful Strix isn't a Ninja without Arcane Adaptation , but it has good synergy with Commander Ninjutsu as low mana cost draw. Strix and Yuriko interact as a drawing engine for since Strix has flying and deathtouch it will more than likely attack unblocked. One drop Wingcrafter is good with Yuriko and Ninjutsu because has flying and gives the Soulbound creature flying. It's Soulbound can keep changing since it triggers when a creature ETB and you choose if you want to pair that creature with Wingcrafter.
With the high budget here there's really no reason to play terrible lands such as Submerged Boneyard , Dismal Backwater and Jwar Isle Refuge . Lands that could replace these are Underground River , Darkslick Shores , City of Brass . Mystic Sanctuary is powerful because the card you recur is put on top of your library.
Consider adding Temporal Trespass , Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise ? More cards that have high CMC for Yuriko's trigger, but you can cast them with delve for much lower CMC. Vampiric Tutor , Lim-Dul's Vault and Insidious Dreams are other instant tutors that put the cards you get on top of your library. Chain of Vapor is good removal spell with Yuriko.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Folio of Fancies
- Erratic Portal
- Venser's Journal
- Drowned Secrets
- Price of Knowledge
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Do you guys even play in competitive pods? Stax is a very easy match up for flash hulk players. Just hold removal before you combo if one of the 6 pieces that shuts you off is actually in play.
With the exception of stax pieces that shut off the flash hulk combo, almost every other stax piece actually helps the flash hulk player, because it lowers interaction from other players and allows them to combo in peace. Yes, the stax will hurt the flash hulk player, but its hurting the other players even more. You're creating an advantage for them by deficit, because the deficit is bigger for other players.
- Rule of Law and variants don't hamper the finding or executing of flash hulk
- Sphere of Resistance , Trinisphere , Winter Orb , Static Orb , and similar lower the amount of interaction other players are able to meaningfully hold against the flash hulk. Flash hulk must only assemble 2 mana to execute the combo, so even with tax or slow down pieces it doesn't take long for them to assemble the mana, even under Trinisphere
- Creature wipes or other board wipes don't really slow the flash hulk game plan, unless your wipe is at instant speed. The new fish hulk allows players to hold priority and fully execute the library flip into GY and stack the trigger before passing priority, negating instant speed wipes as a method for interacting
- Grave hate pieces are now irrelevant unless they stop the death trigger, as fish hulk can execute without reliance on GY
- Artifact hate like Stony Silence hits back up lines or fast mana for flash hulk, but doesn't stop the actual hulk
- Handstax are too slow unless you get a great play like Entomb into Reanimate on a Sire Of Insanity . Incremental handstax like Oppression or Necrogen Mists are certainly strong, but don't dump player hands fast enough to fully stop the flash hulk, but they do whittle away interaction from opponents trying to stop flash hulk
There's only a small handful of cards that stop the flash hulk combo outside of counterspells. We're looking at Pithing Needle Phyrexian Revoker or Sorcerous Spyglass naming Nomads en-Kor . There is also tutor hate with Aven Mindcensor or Stranglehold (and Leonin Arbiter , but thats just a delay, not a hard stop). Finally, you have big creature hate effects like Cursed Totem , Linvala, Keeper of Silence , or Suppression Field . Finally, you have creature hate that removes small dorks, like Plague Engineer , Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite , or Night of Souls' Betrayal
Not all of those pieces are good enough to warrant slotting. Also slotting all of these pieces would lower your card quality significantly, which causes more losses against all decks that AREN'T running hulk (read: the two other players in the pod)
Part of the reason why its such a big slice of the meta and pretty much the deck to beat is because it is highly efficient, there is strong layering, it plays around stax, and the color identity gives it access to big draw engines, the most efficient tutors, and the most efficient removal.
So you land your Linvala against the T&T fishhulk player. All they have to do is continue to draw cards or tutor up a Path to Exile or any other piece of removal before jamming their combo.
Even if you decide to run Extract and pull the hulk from their deck, the deck isn't dead. You can Thrasios + infinite mana (dramatic scepter most likely) as a win-con. You get labman + consult as a wincon. The deck has very good layering. Even when you shut down the primary goal, it has still been advancing towards the second combo too. The Sylvan Library that was played turn 1 is now digging for consult pieces instead of hulk pieces. The tutors can be used to find those pieces instead. The best part, is that the stax pieces which shut off hulk combo don't shut off the other combos, which is why those combos in specific are layered underneath the hulk package.
I'm going to level with you Megalomania. You have told me you play flash hulk. Then you suggest the solution to fish hulk is to build a deck that makes it easier for fish hulk in pods. Then you say you have limited experience, but "just build the right archetype bro". So my question now is, are you just an extremely bad player who bought a $4000 deck, or are you an angle shooting dickhead trying to spread bad information to help avoid a ban for your $4000 deck?
Honestly, I kind of expect both sides out of flash hulk players. While I do suspect you're a competent dickhead spreading bad info, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you're a dummy who looked up the most popular tier 1 deck and bought it. Either way, I really need you to stop spreading your garbage information by posting. There are already enough bad players on tappedout, we really don't need any more help in that department.
StopShot The effects from Faerie Macabre and Ghost-Lit Raider are activated abilities from a creature, and are thus turned off from Grand Abolisher . Similarly, Simian Spirit Guide is shut off as well. Similarly, Linvala and Cursed Totem also turn off all three of these creature abilities.
Besides that, you do state succinctly why hulk should be banned over flash in response to the article. I agree. Hulk being legal forces specific and jank deckbuilding requirements.
2 weeks ago
What I think makes the deck so strong is that removal does nothing to the combo. Stick the fish on normal cast, then respond to the trigger with Demonic Consultation , no removal like Swords will affect it. Suddenly we have Hushbringer , Stifle , and base countermagic as the only real answers. Before at least with Lab Man and to a lesser extent Jace, you could Swords to Plowshares the man, or Chain of Vapor either, not the amount of answers is cut tremendously, especially in color. Blue/red ( Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast ) or bust ig.
3 weeks ago
I'm not sure what your stance is, but you may want to consider using proxies. You could also consider Manaless Dredge. It's cheaper and more efficient than this list. If neither of these options strikes your fancy, then I have some suggestions for your list. Take out the 4 Creeping Chill s. Replace 1 with another Hogaak, 1 with another Putrid Imp , and the other 2 with Flayer of the Hatebound . Flayer will be your main reanimation target for Dread Return and should close out the game if you reanimate it. A Dread Return package in the maindeck is certainly not ideal though. You should definitely be playing Cephalid Coliseum . It's an uncounterable "Dredge 15ish" that you can usually play around turn 2-3. I'd consider taking out your fetches for these. Those are all the changes I'd make to the maindeck and the next changes are all for the sideboard. Chain of Vapor is what I personally run to deal with permanent-based graveyard hate but that usually fits better into the more explosive lists that can run Lion's Eye Diamond . Therefore, you'd probably have more success running 2 Serenity and 2 Nature's Claim . 4 Leyline of the Void is always a good idea. 3 Silent Gravestone in the sideboard doesn't hinder your plans as long as you don't run it alongside Dread Return and it protects your graveyard against Surgical Extraction . Playing 3 Lotus Petal in your sideboard can help your deck be more explosive when it needs to be. Lastly, 1 Ashen Rider should be in the sideboard as a reanimation target if you suspect that your opponent may have or may board in an Ensnaring Bridge to stop your zombie army. Once again, I'd reccommend that you either proxy the LEDs or play Manaless Dredge (both of which are better options than playing this list), but if that's not an attainable goal, then making these changes to the deck should be the best thing you can do for the deck. I hope this helped you out! Have a wonderful day!
1 month ago
Jace_Nalaar you are absolutely awesome for this bro!
Now I do already have Increasing Vengeance in the deck. My meta usually runs 6-8 players and usually always blind. as for Consecrated Sphinx the last game I played I literally drew 20 cards before my next turn. (Thank God for Reliquary Tower )
I keep forgetting about Temple of the False God TBH I'm putting it in my buy list as we speak.
Instant/sorcs: Chain of Vapor Looks fun and could be interesting if they wanna copy. - With my larger play group Counterflux is needed to knock out the large or confusing stacks that are played to maintain order in a sense. - And you're probably right on the other recs (except Increasing Vengeance ). Thank you Jace_Nalaar
Artifacts: Nothing to change here for my personal playstyle
- Decree of Pain is HEAVY but can't really afford Damnation but I would like a cheaper board wipe, only reason I run it is for the draw. - Cabal Ritual is on the buy list can't wait to put it in. Entomb is wanted just need an excuse to break down for it.
- Narset's Reversal , Cabal Ritual , Dramatic Reversal , Isochron Scepter , Laboratory Maniac and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries are currently next in line for purchase
Jace_Nalaar please let me know what you think. Thank you