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Creature — Frog
Sacrifice Spore Frog: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn.
3 weeks ago
Edit-ah I see the link now. Had to adjust my Urza’s Glasses lol
1 month ago
Regular cycling would offer wrath at instant speed, but I'm not sure that's great. Burning Prophet is interesting, as it both likes the recycling and bolt/wrath. A single Spore Frog in the side will make some opponents quit as you become fog tribal. You can achieve a similar effect with Stone Rain and friends against decks that need lands.
1 month ago
Flagstones/brought back is neat.
I feel like this could be a really powerful engine. Brought back is already very close to being a combo - getting to put Spore Frog and Eternal Witness in the sideboard and sometimes just straight up winning off that alone is nice.
There is definitely something strong here - there are too many good cards without homes that suit this.
2 months ago
For defense against removal there is always Apostle's Blessing, which can go in literally any deck if you willing to pay to 2 life.
And for the third match, it sounds like maybe the deck needs more draw so it can be more consistent.
Good call with Deadly Dispute, that could be worked in. Also on all those other cards too. If you want to build your own version and show me what you're thinking, I'll take a look at it. Otherwise stay tuned for an update, hopefully soon. I'm planning to do it tomorrow after work.
And my apologies for the late response, I didn't mean to leave you hanging like that.
3 months ago
Gattison: Thanks again for the tips on updating the decks. To celebrate getting out of quarantine, last night I took this deck to my LGS to test it out with the other Pauper players. I made some minor changes beforehand:
We're normally a small group but that night we were only 4: myself, another Pauper regular, and two others who are very active in the competitive Modern league. We settled into 3 rounds and... oof: 5 losses, 1 win, and one undecided due to overtime. Here's how it went down:
Round 1: vs. BG Dredge/ Tortured Existence 0-2-0 Not a good matchup at all, I'm afraid. Spore Frog made the combat step irrelevant, Thoughtpicker Witch kept me drawing lands and exiling my answers, and saccing his chump blockers to the deck's namesake kept me from activating any beneficial death triggers. All my card-draw got shuffled to the bottom in both rounds and there wasn't much I could do until he got a couple Gurmag Angler out to end my misery. On a side note: I hate playing against Dredge almost as much as Blink or Tron--all of which are beloved in this local meta. Maybe it's just ze Germans -_-. I'm always on the lookout for answers against these.
Round 2: vs. UB Looting/Control 0-2-0 Things were looking hopeful while I was developing my board and he was just casting different versions of Preordain for the first few turns. His main beater turned out to be Shipwreck Sifters, which got uncomfortably swole thanks to repeatable looting. Dross Golem was a star in this round and almost killed him in the first match. However after sideboarding, his removal became much more aggressive and I wasn't even left with blockers. Missing answers and sigh card draw, he took it home with some beefy spirits.
Round 3: vs. Temur Cascade or Gruul Walls + Mulldrifter -_-' 1-1-1 This was a weird one: aggressively defending and ramping with Tinder Wall, Overgrown Battlement, and Tuktuk Rubblefort until he could cascade into Boarding Party and other beaters. By turn 3 he had at least 6 walls out, each with at least 3 toughness that brushed off anything I could turn sideways. We were both surprised when my card draw engine started working in match 2 and I could slap out my own beaters with multiple rituals and disputes in a single turn. While he was missing his and Winding Way, I managed a Soulcage Fiend and Mortis Dogs by turn 2. After taking the 5-life hit from Dash Hopes twice, I had him on turn 5; clinching it with Howl from Beyond. Although the last round was undecided and he was prepared to kill me with hasty Pirates again, I was still pleased to pull off the primary wincon at least once.
Overall thoughts: This was my first outing with the deck so I still need to play it more to see the clear differences between the inherent weaknesses and my own misplays. I like aggressive decks and when this got going, I was down to clown. All-stars of the night were Mortis Dogs, Dross Golem, and especially Deadly Dispute. So much value. Add a dash or two of Dark Ritual and Sign in Blood in a single turn? chef's kiss That being said, I still think some adjustments are in order: First, that Mortuary Mire got to go. It slowed down the deployment of creatures and messed with my draws. Silly me. Unearth is much better recursion hands down. Second, sadly the goblins and newts must make room for another 1 or 2 Festering Mummy and a full set of Shambling Ghast. The latter does the same thing as the others but gives the option to ramp--which is especially relevant in my meta where creature decks are scarce. Third, better quicker removal? I left out Innocent Blood this time but either that or the asymmetrical Geth's Verdict could work. Fourth, mass removal or damage-dealing ala Crypt Rats or Pestilence? Sure, it would kill our forces but isn't that the point?
After looking at some other Suicide Black lists, I've seen what makes this deck unique and I'm still interested in making it work. I like the focus on death triggers and I'd love to find more ways to exploit them. Other creature-based lists use beaters like Guul Draz Vampire, Dauthi Slayer, and Carnophage to drop that life total to the floor. Pumping beaters like these and/or giving them lifelink seems appealing, but I'd like to stay true to the spirit of this deck as much as I can.
Sorry for the wall of text, I just wanted to get this all out now while it was still fresh. I hope this proves interesting to you or any others looking to try this deck out.
3 months ago
Suggestions from someone who started from a total junk Meren deck in 2015, and through the years made it to a cEDH (check the playlist here if you want: Meren Surgical Toolbox [2K22]:
Way too many lands. Never seen any budget deck running almost half the deck on lands only. Consider adding cheap staple cards like Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, or something like Emergent Sequence, Greenseeker (it also discards you a creature that you can pick up with meren at the end of turn), Primal Growth (good sac outlet too), Dawntreader Elk, Deathsprout, Diligent Farmhand, Rampant Growth, and notable Yavimaya Elder. Consider also adding all the 1-mana elves, all of which sit around 0.10$. If you include all these changes you can easily remove 10 lands, and sit at 35 lands total.
Some cards you included are just downright bad, even for a budget deck. You can not only find cheaper but also better replacements for cards like Reprocess, Spider Spawning, Evincar's Justice, Zendikar's Roil. Some cards you have in your maybeboard, like Skullclamp or Buried Alive are much better options. Most definitely include Village Rites and Midnight Reaper for card draw, and Spore Frog for protection. Also Reclamation Sage
Your deck has a very high CMC, 4.05. For a golgari deck this is way too high, considering reaching at least 3.00.
More generally, have a look at EDHREC.com to see what cards best fit a budget Meren deck. No offense, but even as a budget your deck certainly needs much improvement. That is, assuming you don't run cards for their flavor or because you just like them. Then that's totally up to you.
3 months ago
This looks like fun. I've always thought it would be fun to build a budget friendly Kenrith based on the deck Mitch from Commander's Quarters played on Game Knights. His list is here if you're interested- Mitch's Kenrith | Extra Turns #04. You can also watch the gameplay video on youtube and I think he has a deck tech on his own site too. One particularly fun card he played was Spore Frog, which he could recur with Kenrith to lock other players out from attacking him. You are obviously not at all on a budget here, but he has some great tricks and synergies that would fit well in any Kenrith deck.
3 months ago
I agree with Guerric, look for small creatures with useful effects that sacrifice themselves or can sacrifice another creature with low or no cost. You probably want to be recuring stuff for it's ETB or death trigger. For a few specifics, I think you probably want to look into cards that are similar to Sakura-Tribe Elder, I run that, Dawntreader Elk, Diligent Farmhand, Yavimaya Granger, Fertilid and even Blood Pet to have lots of creatures I can use to ramp repeatedly with. Blood Pet is a bit worse at ramping, but it's one of the better XP sources, alongside Spore Frog by being a 1 drop that can sacrifice itself. You can also run cards like Wood Elves and Farhaven Elf, but these are not as good because they can't sacrifice themselves. With those self-sacrificing rampers, you can easily outramp almost any deck, and the deck likely 'needs' to hit only 3 lands to start working. Noting that I always need to have Green mana meant brutal cutbacks in my Swamp count, but since I run so many ways to find Swamps, I often can ramp out many before I win. If you use tons of Green Creature Ramp (which you should be IMHO), you will always need at least 1 Green Mana to get by, and Green mana can usually get you black on or before turn 4, so keep that in mind. I think you should try to cut out artifact and spell ramp in favour of creature ramp, and do similar with as many other effects as possible. I would strongly encourage you to look for creatures that can do what you need done. Caustic Caterpillar and Foundation Breaker coupled with tutoring should give you some removal options, there are tons more in Green that vary in value. If you have enough creatures, Lurking Predators becomes pretty solid, even you are cheating in small creatures, a 50 creature deck can cheat out 3 or 4 of them per cycle, which is not something other decks will enjoy. A final point, I love running several Plaguecrafter/Demon's Disciple cards, Meren recurring them feels incredibly pushed in some metas.
Nel Toth Community College and Round Table is my Meren build based on all that (it's more than your desired budget, but it's got lots of fluff alongside pretty cutthroat stuff). It also has a good win con you can throw into a full on Dredge deck: Haakon, Stromgald Scourge is a really good way to generate repeated recursion, since you can just recast any Knights in your graveyard. Ashes of the Fallen and Maskwood Nexus can both make everything a Knight, but if you've got 4-5 to work with, you'll probably do okay. If you have a limited budget, it'll probably not be able to go infinite, but Haakon with Aristocrats should squeeze people out. If you want to go infinite, the best cards that are close to your budget are Pitiless Plunderer and Ashnod's Altar. Both work wonders. If you do use Haakon, you'll want some discard outlets in the deck, fortunately there are lots of good discard outlets in Green and Black. My deck has a few of them in it, and due to the available tutors as well, I am almost never stuck.