Enchantment — Aura
When Treachery enters the battlefield, untap up to five lands.
You control enchanted creature.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Treachery occurrence in decks from the last year
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1 month ago
+1 I think if you organized your description into spoilers with different parts dedicated to function or spell type, it would be a lot easier for users to comprehend the entirety of your card slots. That being said, this deck seems like a beast and I'm afraid to play against it.
Mind Stone > Cold steel heart? Or do you really need the colored mana. I just hate it coming in tapped and I like the option of draw, albeit, not needed so much in this deck.
Time stretch- How often do you find yourself actually casting it? Would it not be best to substitute it for something lower on curve given cEDH? I feel like this card is a bit of a stretch . I like Treachery as you run a similar rewind. Taking opposing commanders, utility/problematic creatures for free assuming no counter seems like good value.
Tolaria West - How often do you use it as a land vs. tutor? Have you considered adding a Boseiju, Who Shelters All in it's place given your entire deck is based on instants/sorcerries in a cEDH meta where blue is bound to be present? Or do you find your deck already handles other blue players efficiently enough given your counters/strategy?
2 months ago
LuckDragon I thank you very much for your input! I was not aware of a few of these cards and I very much value your suggestions. though I should say I was aware of Palinchron and Treachery , but Those are a bit out of range for me.
2 months ago
Other cards you might consider: - High Tide . Why are you not running High Tide? It makes going off with Orvar super easy, and it's tutorable with Spellseeker . Casting it multiple times by recurring it with Archaeomancer or Mystic Sanctuary is great. - Dizzy Spell . Can be used defensively and to trigger Orvar, but it also tutors for most of the repeatable spells ( Clockspinning , etc.). - Sudden Substitution . "Nice Expropriate you've got there. Why don't we trade? You get this Spellseeker I've already used, and I'll get your extra turns. And a new Spellseeker. No, you don't get to respond." - Merchant Scroll . Tutor all the instants. - Spark Double . Lets you have any number of Orvars. Targeting one Island and getting eight is rather nice. - Glimpse the Cosmos . Dig six cards deep for at most . - Confounding Conundrum . Replaces itself and slows down the opposing ramp decks, getting more punishing with every copy. Eventually acts as a way to draw your deck. (Generate infinite mana, then copy it decksize times.)
More spendy suggestions: - Sakashima of a Thousand Faces . Like the original, can enter without becoming a copy, meaning you can target him and make a token version—which can enter as a copy of something. Also lets you have any number of Orvars. - Treachery . Goes infinite in the same way as Peregrine Drake , while also providing value without Orvar or a repeatable target source. - Palinchron . Goes infinite in the same way as Peregrine Drake, and can even go infinite without Orvar, provided you have something like ...
2 months ago
Ok, so as a beforehand this may be a longer post because I'm debating turning my casual Orvar list into a cEDH list myself. So it'll be a bit of out loud brainstorming :P Hope it's helpful and not TLDR...
Lands: Tolaria West as an additional tutor for Mystic Sanctuary or Nykthos (or in a pinch a mana rock or pact of negation on a combo turn)
Swarmyard can provide some incidental protection for Orvar
Things I'm considering that aren't on your list Creatures:
Spellstutter Sprite With Orvar out it hits any two drop. being able to gradually increase it's effectiveness with one mana cantrips seems good, especially when you are also playing cloud of fairies... which leads me into
Glen Elendra Archmage is a little high on the CMC side, but we're already running lots of 4 drops and a six drop as a potential win con. So I think at first glance the downside is negligible. Plus it plays into the inadvertent fairy theme...
Artisan of Forms is literally the best creature on the field. Both hers and Orvar's ability trigger's on cast. So you just stack her trigger first then copy whatever she becomes and get that as the token. Instant speed Dockside Extortionist ?
Vedalken AEthermage Literally only running for wizard cycling. Most of our outlets are wizards. In your current list you have 8. all worth tutoring for IMO. I'm currently running like 9-10 so it's pretty impactful
Venser, Shaper Savant Acts like spellstutter sprite, but hit's anything. And you can just let the copy go away upon resolution of the legend rule.
Spells: For sake of brevity I'll just list the cards you don't have on your list that I'm considering and why I'm considering them...
Glamerdye can target lands (which is probably one of Orvar's strongest abilities) and it has retrace, so it's recurable, and instant speed. all plusses.
Dizzy Spell tutor or copy trigger. essentially a modal spell. very good.
Cerulean Wisps cantrips and untaps a creature, potentially very useful depending on cedh meta. I have Kraum and Pako in mine so having a blocker is often needed. Also can help slow annoying tymna.
Rescue is interesting, still not sold on it. But it does give you a copy of a creature, and allows you to save/replay an etb critter. Orvar is able to mitigate losing creatures by making copies of them usually, but he can't save himself and copying into a board wipe does nothing.
Blink of an Eye target's permanents, can draw you a card and there is another card with a different name that does the same thing
Flood of Recollection Pet card of mine, single use but I like it on turns I want to go off with High Tide and don't want to exile it with JVP or Snapcaster. works well with Narset's reversal too...which I'm not running lol.
Run Away Together considering this as a way to deal with a threat and copy one of my creatures.
Cards I love:
Energy Tap this is great. didn't even consider it. solid inclusion.
Time Spiral and transmute artifact... mentioning these just because I'm jealous...
Treachery Ditto ^
Sakashima of a Thousand Faces love the silly synergy with Nykthos. Ridiculous.
Pyre of Heroes This is silly, didn't even see this spoiled. Birthing pod in colorless? are they crazy!
Cards I'm "meh" on:
Memory Crystal You're only running (I think) two buyback spells. So most of the time it's a dead card. I see Drift of Phantasms, but id rather be tutoring for the buyback card or something more impactful. Also copying sapphire medallion helps buyback and other non buyback spells.
Drift of Phantasms very linear tutor in cedh imo. I get that it hits hullbreacher, spellseeker, etc. I think I would personally rather slot additional control. But if you love the card run the card.
Inga Rune-Eyes Not impactful enough for me in a 4 drop slot. scrying one statistically is akin to drawing half a card, so three is one and a half?. You could run the 3 drop fairy that draws you a card for more fairy synergy lol... sorry, maybe I have a fairy problem. Also, I'm not sure how often you'll get her second line to happen. I don't see how you trigger that without investing multiple cards to copy her? unless I'm missing something? does it happen often for you?
Grim Monolith without an infinite mana outlet I don't think it does enough. Also I didn't Sol Ring in your list easy swap?
Extraplanar Lens In general I think this is a bad card. ramp it out early and someone smashes it, your down a land and probably a turn. Plus you have to imprint a land every time you make a copy of it. so the downside for their removal becomes even greater in my estimation. Orvar already ramps well enough to not need this card. but high risk high reward I guess.
I'm also soft on the tribute/trinket mage. They're good for the thing they grab but they're not ultimately what I want to be copying. you could run Shipwreck Dowser and Salvager of Secrets instead and lean into the Archaeomancer synergies, but then our cost is getting higher, and obviously you could copy what they tutor for... back to the balance of creature targets vs permanent targeting spells...
I think that's it... If I missed why you are running something let me know, like I said I'm brainstorming myself so the discourse will be super helpful for me, hope this was helpful for you! Also I should go back and read comments... yeah I'm that guy...
Thanks for posting the list!
3 months ago
Idk about decks I want to make, but I definitely have built a few that I don't play frequently for the same reason. Nekusar is a huge guilty pleasure of mine. Wheels always have been for me since I pulled a Teferi's Puzzle Box back when I was brand new. I remember never really understanding why all my friends hated it lmao.
And then there's theft. My guilty favorite form of removal is to turn them against their owners. It always feels so awful though. I've actively gone hunting for theft effects that "feel less bad". There's not a lot of them... but I do enjoy me a good Abduction, Soul Ransom, or Master Thief. There was definitely a period of time in my playgroup that I was rightfully persecuted as "the Treachery guy".
4 months ago
some misc enchantments
4 months ago
Hey! I love the name haha. Honestly though I'm not the best person to ask about this style of deck; I'd probably add a 2 or 3 card infinite combo to close out the game because that's my playgroup's style.
If you don't want to win with a combo I recommend finding two or three cards to pretty much lock down the game, like Cyclonic Rift, Sunder, Bribery, etc. Take a look at the CMCs of the Transmute cards you want to include and then pick a few cards in each CMC that would be like: OK, I grab this one first and cast it, which gets me to next turn when I grab the next card and cast it, and that pretty much wins.
I'm looking at it and there's a lot of broken cards at 5 CMC, so you might add a package that looks like this: Sunder, Bribery, Treachery, Time Warp and Force of Will. Then add Brainspoil, and it's like: These are all good cards on their own, and then whenever you find Brainspoil + Ramirez, you know you can go and tutor up a package that is devastating on the board.
So basically organizing all of your powerful cards around the CMCs of your Transmute cards, so you know if you find a Transmute card you'll have a powerful line of play coming up. Does that make sense? That's how I'd do it. Doesn't necessarily have to be the cards above esp. because many are very expensive, but it's just the most powerful cards I could think of haha.
5 months ago
Hi ChibiFate, sorry - I forgot about your question how I am faring against Niv-Mizzet,Parun. Actually, I never played against this deck. But I do understand that it the ability of Niv is problematic to control players like us. We will never be able to outgrind them as long as Niv is on the battlefield. Therefore, I would consider to run Gilded Drake, Treachery, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Kenrith's Transformation ect...
Hope that helps as well.