Treasonous Ogre

Treasonous Ogre

Creature — Ogre Shaman

Dethrone (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)

Pay 3 life: Add {R} to your mana pool.

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Set Rarity
Conspiracy (CNS) Uncommon

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

Treasonous Ogre occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.02%

Red: 0.25%

Treasonous Ogre Discussion

pmansmoney on Niv-Mizzet, Parun cEDH

3 days ago

I really like your deck Rob828! I'm refining my Niv-Mizzet Parun deck using your deck for inspiration, but I wanted to ask a couple questions about card choices etc so I understand their functions.

How exactly do you use Rolling Earthquake as an alternate win condition? It's symmetrical so are you assuming that once you're casting it you've pinged everyone down to a lower life total? I have a similar question re: Treasonous Ogre, will you have enough life to make it useful? I've been seriously considering Aetherflux Reservoir for these reasons and as an alternate wincon.

Love to hear thoughts as you've clearly been playing with our homeboy Niv longer than I have.

ShibaWiz on Mogis Slaughter House: Bleeding Out Or Mercy Kill

1 week ago

Thanks for the suggestions SideBae.

I've made some changed based on suggestions so far.

I doubt I can go to 2 or even 2.5 cmc as a lot of key cards are quite mana expensive.

However, I do have ways to get a bunch of mana like:

smissner on A Better Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion

2 weeks ago

Alright 3 questions for you 1) Why is Dragon Mage not good for this deck? 2) Why is Treasonous Ogre not good for this deck? 3) Is there any good cheap alternatives for Sword of Feast and Famine for if I try to build this IRL?

burferking on Rakdos Halves

1 month ago

A combo I found really early while making this deck: Soul Conduit + Treasonous Ogre . If lucky, you can bring down an opponent to 1 life at turn 2: T1 play a land and Sol Ring . T2 play a second land, cast Treasonous Ogre pay 18 life to get 6 red mana to cast Soul Conduit , pay 21 life (and get 7 red mana) to activate the artifact's ability.

I want to swap some lands for the ones in the sideboard and Charcoal Diamond for Rakdos Signet , but I need to acquire them.

FalseSilen on Grenzo's Slots of Misfortune

1 month ago

king-saproling- I'm so glad you like the deck! It's one of my favorites to play and I appreciate the suggestions.

Herald of Leshrac is one I've not heard of, and I like it a lot for disrupting opponents and gaining free mana! If your playgroup is cool with you thieving lands, go for it.

Marsh Flitter is a token generator and a free sac outlet. Huh, I'll keep an eye on it for future.

Transmogrifying Licid + Dross Scorpion + Goblin Welder is a hilarious combo and I wish you luck in pulling it off and destroying everything your opponents hold dear with Meteor Golem

Cathodion requires a sac outlet to get value, we prefer to have ETBs like Priest of Urabrask since a sac outlet won't always be available.

Grinning Ignus only works at sorcery speed and returns itself to our hand, which we don't want. I like where your head is at for mana generation, though.

Carnival of Souls is a fascinating and risky way to squeeze in more flips. It does put restriction on our timing as we have to use the mana when it is created, and is a nonbo with our infinites, as they often involve putting infinite creatures into play, which would drain us at the same rate as our opponents. I think you could try it and it would be a coin flip whether it won or lost you individual games just by itself.

Thran Turbine is a dead flip with Grenzo, and I'm not sure if it's impactful enough to include, even though it would be a Sol Ring worth of mana for flipping

Braid of Fire , Black Market , Imperial Recruiter , Mana Echoes , and Teferi's Puzzle Box are all cards I have considered playing, and would certainly be reasonable inclusions! I have not included them because I don't currently own them and they are expensive.

Mindmoil would not be a good inclusion because we don't want to play spells from our hand if we can at all avoid it. It does allow us to stack the bottom of our library, but it's 5 mana do nothing, and scry to the bottom if we have spare mana after that.

Vessel of Endless Rest seems unimpactful for 3 mana and we have creatures and artifacts that do the same thing repeatably, which is what we're looking for to win.

Junktroller is great for recursion, but unfortunately it taps to activate, making it hard to go infinite. Spending the mana to activate Epitaph Golem or Reito Lantern is honestly just more reliable and abusable than tapping, as we do not run untappers.

K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth is a spicy include, though I have chosen not to do so because he only gets pumped off of casting, and doesn't contribute to a combo. He would be useful for getting black creatures out of our hand, and I assume combos with Blood Celebrant , but we have 1 card that performs that combo by itself: Treasonous Ogre .

Blood Artist I've gone back and forth on. It absolutely is worth an include, but I find that we have enough payoffs once infinite is achieved so I replaced it with redundancy in other places, like token generation

Sifter of Skulls has 4 power, which automatically excludes it from this build. It is important to get Grenzo out early to start building the value engine, so we cast him for X=1.

Petravark could work as targeted land destruction. We already have Avalanche Riders but if you need more this could be worth including

Here is the primer I took my inspiration from. I highly recommend reading it to get the general philosophy and lines of the deck!

RNR_Gaming on K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth

2 months ago

Cool take on the commander. The secret tech most of us krikk players have been using is Blood Celebrant it's an excellent mana producer and basically turns into a black Treasonous Ogre when krikk is out.

Mironzitos on Grenzo Doomsday Dash

2 months ago

In my grenzo im using or tested before some of these cards. ill put here like a brainstorm to us, to try to be figuring out the best competitive and fun: Temple of Malice Dragonskull Summit Skirk Prospector Blood Moon Scroll Rack Chaos Warp Rakdos Charm Slaughter Pact Fire Covenant Stranglehold Vandalblast Treasonous Ogre

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