Molten Primordial

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Custom Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Gatecrash (GTC) Rare

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Molten Primordial

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Haste

When Molten Primordial enters the battlefield, for each opponent, take control of up to one target creature that player controls until end of turn. Untap those creatures. They have haste until end of turn.

Molten Primordial Discussion

Optimator on Nikki Borgees

1 month ago

"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .

The Chain Veil , Inexorable Tide , Contagion Clasp , and Contagion Engine maybe?

One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?

Possible upgrades:

Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors

Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance

Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast  Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta  Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace

Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet  Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass  Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification

Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice  Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite

McToters on Oink Oink, Bitches

2 months ago

Maybe Molten Primordial and Inferno Titan ? Pretty good ETBs to get off of Ilharg.

+1

saint5one on Cheesa and the board that never goes away

2 months ago

Hey GMD :)

i think Bloodflow Connoisseur just has too much value to cut as it can defend it self (by having +1/+1) and is a sac outlet, however i do see your point. I think you have misunderstood Drana, Liberator of Malakir however, i have copied this from a ruling: "The +1/+1 counter won’t change how much damage Drana or any other attacking creature with first strike or double strike deals during that combat damage step. However, the +1/+1 counters that are put on attacking creatures without first strike will affect the damage those creatures deal during the regular combat damage step." so in fact all other creatures than Drana will get +1/+1 this combat unless they have first strike themselves - i find this really handy for 2 reasons: first of it can help defend the board state if we cant get the dethrone trigger and secondly it doubles the +1/+1 counter if we do have the dethrone trigger as well.

As i have gone pretty heavy on sac outlets, as the deck is so depended on them, i rarely have problems with Molten Primordial and also due to his high CMC he is often times a game closing card that will take out at least one enemy - however, i have considered cutting him due to his CMC.

and yes Sneak Attack !!! i really do need this card, but due to its cost i will wait a bit or hope i can trade me to it. Ilharg, Raze boar sure does seem interesting, my biggest concern is his CMC, where i think that once i can get him out i will have emtied my hands for creatures, but i might be wrong and he is definetly worth giving a try :)

jordanalessi on Feather Flicker

3 months ago

Ooo, i think flickering could be good. Twinflame seems good with feather.

Felidar Guardian & Restoration Angel combo with Impact Tremors .

Manic Vandal , Flametongue Kavu , Molten Primordial , & Mirrorwing Dragon might be useful.

firestorms90 on THRO MOK [[Gruul Tokens]]

3 months ago

I'm glad my two cents worth could help your decision. I didn't realize how good Rhythm would be in Thromak until holding a freshly pulled copy in my hand, wondering if any of my decks wanted it. As soon as I thought of the hungry hellion, I was super stoked. I haven't actually gotten to play with the deck since adding it, but I expect it will be useful.

Earlier suggestions included effects that steal opponents' creatures; I run several myself. However, all I run are sorceries ( Insurrection , Mass Mutiny , Mob Rule ) and an instant ( Grab the Reins , which also can also be a second Fling ). Captivating Crew sounds like a great idea, and one I might try to work into my build. Other creature - based options include Zealous Conscripts , Conquering Manticore and Molten Primordial , but they're much more mana intensive. Since you're thinking about using elves to ramp anyway, this might not be an issue for you.

While searching up creatures that stole those of your opponents, Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor popped up. I think this may be a card for us both to consider, as it gives creatures upon death and plays nicely with trample.

I second the suggestion of Awakening Zone and From Beyond as repeatable sources of mana or sac fodder, as need be. I run both, though I have no targets for the tutor effect on the latter. (Well, I mean, Blisterpod , technically, but I don't foresee myself searching that up too often...).

I hadn't thought about turning lands to creatures so they can feed Thromak, but that's something I'll have to look into. I run Dryad Arbor for that purpose; not sure why I didn't think about Living Lands , etc.

Shinwizzles on Marchesa, the Black Rose EDH: Steal Yo Gurl!

3 months ago

Strangelove, Thanks for the compliment! I'll be sure to check your deck out too! I ran Flayer of the Hatebound when I was testing the deck out to see if I wanted to put any money into it. I like how it performs, but the mana cost is pretty steep. It also only counts if the creatures come from my graveyard, whereas Marchesa, the Black Rose usually takes creatures from my opponents' graveyards. Similar deal with Geralf's Mindcrusher . Really cool card, but the cost is a little too steep for the effect. Think I might need to add that one to my The Scarab God deck though, so thanks for the recommendation.

Brine Shaman is pretty cool, but I dislike the fact that I have to tap it to sac a creature. I try to keep my sac outlets repeatable, in case I need to evacuate my field for whatever reason.

Molten Primordial was alright when I first played the deck, but the cost wasn't worth the effect. More often than not, only one or two players have creatures worth stealing. Tried Mob Rule and wasn't a fan of the performance it gave. Maybe I was using it wrong.

Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder & Co. are great for keeping opponents' fields empty, but that isn't necessarily what I want. I steal my opponent's Sun Titan (or whatever) using Portent of Betrayal (or another stealing card), swing at the opponent with the highest life total to trigger Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone ability, sac Sun Titan to the Phyrexian Altar , Ashnod's Altar , etc., and then the Sun Titan is mine for keeps! I do make thorough use of the Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder , etc. in my Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck, and they're absolutely great in that one! Just not too sure if they fit the theme here.

Macabre Mockery is pretty great. I might have to find a spot in the deck for that. Thanks for pointing it out to me! I like Overtaker too, but the cost of 4 mana and a pitched card is pretty steep.

Graft seems like a neat idea, but I'm not sure if it'd fit in with the rest of the deck too well. Cytoplast Manipulator would be the only Graft card I might consider. It seems pretty fragile, to be honest.

While I absolutely love the effect of Prince of Thralls the sheer cost of getting it out is too expensive, even with the Demon's Herald ability.

Thanks so much for all of the suggestions! I'll be sure to check out your deck and see if I can make any recommendations as well.

Thanks again!

SharpRaptor on Brion Stoutarm (Giants)

4 months ago

Recommended Cards to Add

This of course does not take into accountmana curve considerations or anything similar. It is merely cards to consider

Creatures

Captivating Crew - Repeated steal effect to have ammunition to throw at people

Evra, Halcyon Witness - Large creature that can be as big as your lifetotal when thrown if wanted.

Serra Avatar - Large creature that is as big as your life total to potentially one shot someone and double your lifetotal

Zealous Conscripts - Can steal an opposing creature to throw, opposing walker to ult or any other problematic permenent. Also incidentaly goes infinite with Kiki Jiki.

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker - Can tap to make copies of your big creatures to throw. Goes infinite with Zealous conscripts.

Malignus - Large creature that scales with life total of opponent

Molten Primordial - Mass threaten on a stick

Feldon of the Third Path - makes copies of your already dead creatures

Emeria Shepherd - Recursion that can also be reanimation

Hoarding Dragon - A way to search out our game winning artifacts. Easy enough to throw at someone to get our artifact.

Karmic Guide - Reanimation

Neheb, the Eternal - lots of mana if you throw things pre combat

Yosei, the Morning Star - Very good thing to be able to recur. Can lock people out of the game with enough setup.

War Elemental - Scales as we throw things

Bloodshot Cyclops - Backup Brion?

Bearer of the Heavens - Dont make me do this!

Godo, Bandit Warlord - Can tutor up our powerful equipment. Would prefer Stoneforge Mystic but one is a lot more money than the other.

Gisela, Blade of Goldnight - Double our damage, half theirs? Yes please

Instants

The usual goes here of making sure that we have interaction for people trying to stop us or making sure we can stop people. Though of specific mention

Faith's Reward - Recover from a wrath or just rebuy a couple of good creatures after a combat and throw.

Orim's Thunder - Hadn't actually seen this before but it seems to be a good potential 2 for 1 while also being a good answer to artifacts and enchantments.

Sorceries

Here there are a lot of potential threaten effects that i could recommend. But we know that we need them so i won't list them all. Other effects we could need do include one or two wraths as even though we are the creature deck, sometimes they just have more or better creatures. However other things to note.

Open the Armory - Tutors equipment or Auras.

Chandra's Ignition - Targetting some of our big creatures might just end the game with this.

Insurrection - You usually just win if this resolves on a decent board state.

Artifacts

Usual list of mana ramp. Sol Ring Boros Signet Commander's Sphere Mind Stone Boros Cluestone Hedron Archive Gilded Lotus Thran Dynamo etc

Other than that, the fun things include

Phyrexian Processor - Yeh this card is rather good. Just Make big tokens and start throwing them

Well of Lost Dreams - With the triggers from Brion we should be able to restock our hand quite easily with this

Illusionist's Bracers - Copy the fling. As sacrificing a creature is part of the cost it will effectively be two triggers from flinging the same creature.

Thornbite Staff - Untaps brion when a creature dies. This includes sacrificing the creature to brion, so effectively tapping him causes him to untap....

Thousand-Year Elixir - Gives Brion haste and an untap.

Aetherflux Reservoir - 50cal Sniper Rifle to the face anyone?

Enchantments

Damage doublers can be recommended but i usually avoid the symettrical ones from personal preference. One or two effects that give Haste might be good too. Other effects however

Flameshadow Conjuring - Copy up our faties for good ETB triggers, effective haste or extra copies to throw with Brion.

Sigil of the New Dawn - Recur everything!

Marshal's Anthem - Decent mass resurrect in white. Though a little mana intensive

Angelic Renewal - One time use recursion of a creature

Goblin Bombardment - Backup sacrifice effects for all our threatens. WE don't want to have to give their toys back do we?

Strangelove on Marchesa, the Black Rose EDH: Steal Yo Gurl!

4 months ago

Hey Shinwizzles, nice list! +1

Here's a version I made for under $30: Black Rose [Budget]

It's a got a huge pool in the maybeboard, check it out.

No one mentioned Flayer of the Hatebound . Auto-include, imo. With a sac engine, it does at least 9 damage at the end of each turn (36+ damage by your next upkeep)!

Geralf's Mindcrusher similarly mills 10-40.

Brine Shaman is cool.

Feast on the Fallen ?

On theme, I'm seeing neither Molten Primordial nor Mob Rule . There's also Macabre Mockery and Overtaker .

Abyssal Gatekeeper , Fleshbag Marauder (and friends), and Profaner of the Dead are brutal. I would definitely swap out some of the lesser betrayal ( Portent of Betrayal , CMC 4+, etc) for these.

Graft: I feel like Graft + Sac Engine + Marchesa is very strong. The only way your opponents can clear this combo is to waste a ton of removal (3+ to remove Marchesa), or wait for your Graft trigger (if you overextend your combo). Vigean Graftmage protects Marchesa immediately on turn 4. They're also good fodder, like anything with Undying, to feed things like Altar of Dementia once each turn.

Shout out to Demon's Herald ! I've been looking for an excuse to play Prince of Thralls ... Maybe it's on-theme? I love these two.

Cheers!

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Molten Primordial occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.02%

Red: 0.12%