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When Molten Primordial enters the battlefield, for each opponent, take control of up to one target creature that player controls until end of turn. Untap those creatures. They have haste until end of turn.
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Molten Primordial Discussion
2 weeks ago
You should strongly consider running Food Chain in this deck. For Maelstrom it is one of the most power cards you can have since it will allow you to sacrifice him and make enough mana to likely cast him again an continuously cascade. Also if you do add it, Misthollow Griffin comes along for the unlimited mana value.
If you want to be a bit more fair, but still want to force your opponent into a corner, here are some heavy hitters that I think you may want to try. Boundless Realms, Primeval Bounty, Frost Titan, Inferno Titan, Molten Primordial, and Diluvian Primordial.
3 weeks ago
I love Marchesa, extremely fun commander especially in a fun casual playgroup. Can be very interactive with itself and make for a hell of a commander game. But I would like to give some suggestions to this deck.
Lands: Im not going to tell you to run every fetch and shock land. What I will say is that you are running too many. You have 38 lands with a four-drop commander and on top of that currently your decks highest point in its mana curve is three. Running less lands will open up a.) for more cards to run. B.) Wont allow for you to be drawing solely into lands every turn. I am a strong believer in 34 lands being the best number except in a few decks like my stax brago.Single Target Removal:Everything except Zealous Conscripts is pretty great. Not necessarily a bad card, it can definitely get a large creature out of your way when you are attacking but I wouldnt really count it as removal. Not necessarily a bad card though it does go infinite with kiki jiki mirror breaker but thats not necessarily a fun win for a casual playgroup and doesnt really fit your theme. Instead of this I would run capsize. Has a buyback effect which is insanely strong and it can be your saving grace in a lot of games.
Creatures:Ok so I cant use your custom categories for this part because yours says you have 8 but in actuality you have 37 so Im going to either say very briefly why I like a card or dislike a card.
Baleful Strix: I dont like this one, a card that would be fantastic for this is Solemn Simulacrum. This card solves a dual purpose. One, it will draw you a card and two, it will get you a land. And with your commanders effect you can get this twice for four mana (Or more if you get more +1s on it) effectively getting to draw a card and search for a land for two mana. Value you town baby! Lol
Blood Tyrant: Dope, fun burn card that they legit cant kill unless they exile it. Might put a bit of a target on your back in a super casual playgroup, but everyone likes to feel powerful haha.
Bloodflow Connoisseur Obvious synergy with your deck, also you can do this at instant speed, so if someone tries to exile one of your strong creatures in response you can sac it.
Burnished Hart Not a fan, never have been. Some disagree, do you dude.
Dack's Duplicate Cause why not, anytime you need to copy a new creature just sac and choose a new target. I love it.Disciple of Bolas Uhm, im just not personally a fan of this card, like it has good effects but it feels pretty eh to play Drana, Liberator of Malakir Dope +1
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch Meh, its alright but a lot of the things that give +1s isnt fast enough to make use of the haste.
Falkenrath Aristocrat You dont have a surplus of humans to sac to get this.
Flayer of the Hatebound Undying cards with persist are infinite with a sac outlet just saying. If you added Cauldron of Souls you could make this etb infinite and take everyones creatures and swing out.
Grim Haruspex Sure why not
Grimgrin, Corpse-Born Thats pretty value
Hound of Griselbrand Definitelly could find something with better value.
Marchesa's Smuggler Could be good if you do some sac infinites with mikaeus but if you were looking for a card to get rid of this could go.
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed The big daddy, legit love this card. Super good in your deck as-well. A win you can put in with this is Walking Ballista I would highly suggest this just because I feel like at a certain point in some casual games they become almost unwinnable because of everyones super inflated board states.
Molten Primordial Great card, if you can put +1s on the stolen cards then sacrifice them they are permanently yours
Mulldrifter Honestly you could play this with the Laboratory Maniac combo. If you put persist on this card you can infinitely draw your deck with mikaeus on board. Then play lab man and win the game. That combo would be pretty convoluted so your play group probably wouldnt get salty about it. Either way though this card is value town in your deck.
Necropolis Regent Dope
Olivia, Mobilized for War Fantastic in combination with a good draw engine.
Olivia Voldaren Not exactly sure what purpose she serves in this deck.
Oona's Blackguard Dope
River Kelpie Really good
Sage of Fables Only using this card is actually not that good of value, why use this card that pretty much only puts the +1s on your commander when you could run something that gives +1s to everything.
Treasonous Ogre Not worth dude,
Vigean Graftmage Not enough value, what creatures have insane tap abilities that this is worth?
Viscera Seer Goochi
Zealous Conscripts This isnt that great of a card as said before
The only other thing I wouldnt use in this deck is the planeswalker, when the heck are you ever going to get that out hahaha.
Well, that took me about an hour, sorry there arent like a ton of suggestions about cards it was more general about deck building. Keep me updated on what you think of my suggestions or what not and if you dont agree with me on some of my thoughts Im down to talk about it and see if Im wrong!
Also, yes I do realize I suggested some cards you already have. I apologize for any cards that i suggested that were already in the deck.
1 month ago
I am particularly hard on this deck because I know the builder in person, and he has asked for some help. This is not a comment on a random deck tearing it a new one.
Samut, Voice of Dissent is not the easiest commander to build, because the deck is instantly torn between multiple possible play styles. She is strong enough to be a voltron commander, has the colors to be a general big-beast-beat-down commmander, and an ability that makes you want to play utility. Choosing what you want to focus on and sticking to it is going to be key in building her effectively.
One big problem at the moment is that your deck seems to lack focus. It has some generally good cards, like the Exert creatures, who were practically made to work with Samut, but then it has cards like Elvish Piper and Yisan Chord, while having very few creatures of particular use or great value to cheat out. (How often do you think this deck will have two high cmc creatures in hand to make use of Elvish Piper and Samut in one turn?)
Your creature choices suggest you run a big creature deck, yet you have 3 spells that copy instants and sorceries, with nothing in the deck that needs copying. You run Quicksilver Amulet, any only one creature of cmc 8 or greater. Your deck sifts through its creatures, but very few of them do anything, and a number of them reverse their effects when they leave the battlefield.
What you need to do is focus on how you want to win, not what you want to do or what would go well with your commander. Once you have the focus on that, you can find the cards in that vein that will have synergy with your commander.
There are a lot of cards in this deck that just don't need to be here. Maybe they are around from an earlier deck direction that didn't pan out, maybe some other reason, but as it is, they are generally of less value than many other cards could be.
Soul Warden and Essence Warden. This is not a particularly creature heavy deck. You currently have 30, and little to no token production. These cards do not have tap abilities, and so have no synergy with your commander, and your deck as a whole doesn't require a lot of life to function. It's two card slots for minimal life gain, which is a function separate from the deck as a whole.
Ranger of Eos. This card is strictly dedicated to fetching the two above-mentioned cards. It does not have a verity of targets, it does not benefit from untapping. It does not have significant combat value, and ultimately little value to the deck as a whole.
Banisher Priest and Fiend Hunter. These are just weak removal spells. They only target creatures, and they only temporarily remove them. They don't interact with Samut, and they can't be used for combat purposes since they return the exiled cards upon death. They also grant your opponents a stronger board state post-wipe.
Reiterate, Reverberate, and Increasing Vengeance. This is not an instant/sorcery deck. This is not a control deck. Sure, these are good for controlling blue decks, but again, not a control deck. If you want to go that direction, you have to dedicate more resources to it, otherwise, you're spreading yourself too thin and overall weakening your deck. Remember, you need to be building towards your win condition, your endgame, otherwise you end up with a deck that can delay someone else's, but without a goal of its own. (Which is essentially what this deck seems to do)
The Primordals. Not bad cards, but not that great. Not particularly on theme with the deck. Their abilities have situational uses, so they are cards that you hold in hand until needed, not cards that you cheat in early. They don't benefit from your commander's ability, nor do they contribute to her combat capabilities. They have ok bodies, but as far as big creatures are concerned, there are far better for the cost. Molten Primordial especially, since your current build isn't a rush deck, and you don't have many sac effects, his one-time swing won't be particularly game changing.
Viridian Shaman. Why? It's half a Naturalize on a weak body for more mana. I could see this in an Animar deck, where casting creatures gains you additional benefits, but this deck gains nothing from weak bodies. He neither contributes to Samut, nor does he benefit from her ability. This card is actually a prime example of why this deck doesn't work. "Too much for too little." Card slots dedicated to minor contro/removal aspects, with no advancement towards your own victory.
I'm gonna stop there. A lot of cards don't work in this deck, and as you said, this deck doesn't work. I'm not trying to be mean, I know I'm coming down hard, but hopefully these examples emphasize the core of what's wrong with this deck. I'd suggest a redesign towards a more focused approach with your end game in mind.
Better tap abilities should be included if you want to make the most of your commander's utility ability. Cards like Mother of Runes, Mangara of Corondor, and Intrepid Hero have abilities that are easy to reuse and will actually gain you value to use multiple times in a turn.
If you want to continue the cheating in mentality, big creatures that actually pose a threat, and/or empower your commander should be included. Stonehoof Chieftain is a perfect example of the cards you should be looking for for this style. By itself it's an 8/8 Indestructible with Trample. That's a threat, hard to remove. Instant boardstate. Additionally, however, it gives Indestructible and Trample to your commander, (as well as any other attacking creatures), advancing you towards a commander damage win.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite buffs your commander, the rest of your field, and is a soft wipe to your opponents. And the buff synergizes well with your commander's Double Strike.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope is a fantastic cheat in. That said, you're in green. I prefer ramp to cheating in creatures as it is. But I will not deny the potential of tapping Elvish Piper twice, so long as you have useful cards to put in with her.
My point is that you need to find things that serve an ongoing purpose to your boardstate. If you're going big creatures, find some that work together, as well as stand alone. Think of them in conjunction to your commander, and ask what value they will have together, continuing, and towards the end of the game. During a match, you are always pushing towards the win. During deckbuilding, that same mentality should be applied.
1 month ago
I play this commander as well, great fun. More redundancy with the threaten effect is quite nice with Conquering Manticore and Molten Primordial for when Yasova has been killed too much and also leaves you another big body. Cyclonic Rift is just too good not to include in most any commander deck with blue. On that line of thinking, more boardwipes is always a welcome addition for when you fall behind, stuff like Blasphemous Act and Chain Reaction which are more reliable than Bonfire of the Damned for killing a large amount of creatures. More card draw is also a must in this deck to keep your hand fueled, things like Prime Speaker Zegana and Rishkar's Expertise have been all stars in my build, Zegana also can get nuts with Conjurer's Closet or Deadeye Navigator.
I do caution against Hydras as wincons, they mostly just durdle about and get chumped while stuff like Molten and Diluvian Primordial can have a big impact when they hit the field. Also, I've found Yasova to be very mana hungry when using her effect so it's hard to justify saving mana for just a big hydra that doesn't have immediate impact on the game. Scourge of Scola Vale is ok because it gives you a sac outlet and Genesis Hydra can potentially dig for a good card, but the other two don't offer much. Hydra Broodmaster does nothing when it hits the field and requires a lot of mana to be effective and in the same vain Hooded Hydra is mostly just a big beater that can be chumped. Big beaters in commander really need to do something else besides attack as otherwise an opponent with a Path to Exile just removes your hydra before you get anything out of it, on the other-hand Primordials will give you their effect when they hit the field still. If the deck can easily generate infinite mana, then it may be a different story since Hydra Broodmaster with infinite mana is ridiculous, but I don't see how you do that very easily.
Hope this helps, feel free to disregard my wall of text.
1 month ago
At the very least, I would try to find room for Thousand-Year Elixir as that pseudo-Haste can be very key to ensuring you get value from your commander ASAP. Not to mention untap triggers are pretty great, so Magewright's Stone can also be a pretty powerful inclusion. And the ability to untap your general cranks up the value of cards such as Molten Primordial exponentially.
And let's not forget that Scuttling Doom Engine is just downright hilarious in this kind of deck. I'm also not sure why you would run Expedite over Hammer of Purphoros, as the latter is static and can even give you more fling targets should you start to draw into excess land. And speaking of land, Command Tower>>>>>>>Rupture Spire
As for things to cut, War Elemental, Invincible Hymn, Living Inferno, Akroma, Angel of Wrath, Sunblast Angel, and Astral Cornucopia seem to be really slow cards for what they do, while cards like Stonehorn Dignitary, Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran, Bull Cerodon, Dragon Hatchling, Reroute, Wing Shards, and Desperate Ritual just look too low impact/situational to keep.
Anyway, those are just my impressions on the deck. It looks really fun and I hope you find my suggestions helpful.
1 month ago
10 to 2.0
1 month ago
9 to 2.0
Out: Skinbrand Goblin, Bloodscale Prowler, Burning-Tree Shaman, Gristleback, Ghor-Clan Bloodscale, Scab-Clan Charger, Scorchwalker, Gruul Scrapper, Ghor-Clan Savage, Streetbreaker Wurm, Disciple of the Old Ways, Forest.
In: Hellraiser Goblin, Indrik Stomphowler, Lobber Crew, Maze Rusher, Molten Primordial, Silhana Starfletcher, Sylvan Primordial, Wild Beastmaster, Wurmweaver Coil, Five-Alarm Fire, Breath of Fury, Aerial Predation.
1 month ago
5 to 2.0
Out: Rakdos Cackler, Slithering Shade, Dead Reveler, Rakdos Shred-Freak, Splatter Thug, Rakdos Drake, Gore-House Chainwalker, Demon's Jester, Grim Roustabout, Deviant Glee, Riot Spikes, Taste for Mayhem, Nettling Curse, Showstopper.
In: Blood Scrivener, Desecration Demon, Helldozer, Hellraiser Goblin, Lobber Crew, Lord of the Void, Molten Primordial, Ogre Slumlord, Pack Rat, Sepulchral Primordial, Spawn of Rix Maadi, Stalking Vengeance, Breath of Fury, Five-Alarm Fire.