Demonic Consultation

Instant

Choose a card name. Exile the top six cards of your library, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a card with the chosen name. Put that card into your hand and exile all other cards revealed this way.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Big Apple Highlander	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
PreDH	Legal
Premodern	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (49)

DreadKhan on Thinking about how we evaluate …

1 week ago

If you get sweaty and run Noxious Revival you can pay no mana to have even more versatility (you can give someone ELSE back something instead, which can be huge). If you've built a really strong deck the idea of paying 3 mana to get a single card back (at sorcery speed!) is laughable, that's pretty much giving up your whole turn without committing something important to the board (like Rhystic StudyGC) or attempting a win (Thassa's OracleGC + Demonic Consultation is also 3 mana). That's why Noxious Revival is the best option in the eyes of many very competitive players, so I think it applies to most Bracket 4 and 5 decks, where pure card quality is so important. If you're playing in Bracket 3 and under what you want are card synergies, you need bad cards that become powerful when used together IMHO. Personally I try to avoid running recursion effects that are one dimensional at this point, power creep has given us better options in a lot of cases, if you're in Black something like Lively Dirge can get back creatures, but it can also tutor one up if you don't have anything to get back.

All that said there is a plurality of creature decks out there, and in those lists Eternal Witness can make a lot more sense.

I'm also a tad curious why Skullwinder isn't one of the options, it's bad if you usually have worse cards than your opponents (if you get back a Grizzly Bears and they get Questing Beast you'd have been better off with E-Wit), but the ceiling is very high on it if you can make a deal with an opponent (this is also a great example of recursion with added upside that makes it more versatile). I think in a lower power game Skullwinder plays pretty well, it's even easier to cast if your mana base is janky. I've heard some people really hate Skullwinder, has anyone ever tried using it and can give some salient reasons why they didn't like it?

theNeroTurtle on Balthor, Classic Dwarf

3 weeks ago

you could risk it and super mill yourself with Demonic Consultation then use your commander's activation. (edit: never mind, I was thinking they went into the graveyard and not exile. Oh well...)

Trickster318 on Dissident Storm

2 months ago

Hi! Thanks for looking at my deck

First off, this is a storm deck first and foremost, Kess just seemed to fit the role I was looking to fill (a useful grixis cmdr).

As for Demonic Consultation, my play group has banned that combo, and I want to play this deck in such a way that I can cobble together a win on the fly, in the most optimized fashion. This is why I have minimal tutor's.

SaberTech on Dissident Storm

2 months ago

Hi. I saw your post asking for some feedback. I have a few suggestions I could offer but I was hoping to start with a question first.

Do you want this to specifically be an optimized storm deck, or an optimized Kess deck for bracket 4?

I think that the list is currently stuck trying to decide what it wants to be. You have a bunch of potential Storm finishers in the deck but you don't have much in the way of mana generation engines and wheel effects to refill your hand and keep the spellcasting train going. Cost reducing effects are less useful to storm than being able to generate a bunch of colored mana is.

The deck's strongest win condition is the Brain Freeze + Underworld BreachGC + Lotus Petal combo that lets you mill your deck and then cast Thassa's OracleGC from the graveyard for the win, but you are missing Demonic Consultation to also pair with the Oracle and you're lacking a bunch of tutors to help you find your combo pieces quickly. If you go in on focusing on the combo aspect of the deck, then you won't really need the Storm stuff to help you win. You can just run a bunch of control cards and tutors.

So, which direction would you be happiest to see the deck go?

theNeroTurtle on Terrible Tutors

4 months ago

Relentless Rats!!!

Demonic Consultation is super under rated.

theNeroTurtle on Phage the Uncastable

5 months ago

I have Phage the Untouchable as one of my win conditions in my favorite build (shadow deck). She is so cool. I would recommend Hatred or Vorpal Sword, but you don’t really have any creatures. He costs a bit much to cast, but doubling your mana is nice with Nirkana Revenant. I’m surprised you aren’t playing Damnation. What about Sanctum of Eternity? It might help, might not.

Here are a few tutors that aren’t too costly. Seems like this deck should use some so that it is a little more consistent.

Demonic Consultation – a little risky, but it works.

Diabolic Intent

Diabolic Tutor

Mortlocke on Phyrexian Opera : Atraxa

6 months ago

Venum,

In regards to your manabase, you still haven't answered what your budget is looking like. A manabase tends to be the most expensive (and important) part of any EDH deck. Does your playgroup allow proxies?

Side tangent - the upcoming set Edge of Eternities has recently teased the return of shock lands. Shock Lands are some of, if not the best lands in modern magic. With this upcoming reprint they will be more accessible than ever so I highly recommend you get them their prices lower, namely: Watery Grave, Breeding Pool, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Overgrown Tomb and Temple Garden.

You slightly misunderstood what I meant when I asked about your meta. Do you use the bracket system that was introduced by Wizards? Using that to describe your deck (or the one you wish to build) will make this process go over much more smoothly. Seeing that your Meta includes the infamous likes of Najeela, the Blade-Blossom and Yuriko, the Tiger's ShadowGC you are facing some very strong commanders that would likely have decks that would place them in Bracket 4 (using the aforementioned bracket system as a reference). But, and a very big but here - it depends on what kind of decks these commanders helm. Do they have big expensive manabases with lots of (monetary) expensive interaction cards? e.g. Mana Drain, Force of WillGC, Mana VaultGC

It seems here that you have a misunderstanding of infinite combos. The aforementioned combo of Thassa's OracleGC and Demonic Consultation are used almost exclusively in the alternate format known as Competitive EDH or cEDH. That is an essential combo for the format, and is expected to be part of a deck running {U}{B}. To you that may look like someone who just doesn't want to engage with other players - but to those who wield the combo in a game where other players are using similar strategies this is what everyone signed up for. Infinite combos are a staple of Magic and Commander. I understand that you are a person and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But please, have consistent logic here: Infinite Combos may be unpopular to some players, but for the love of Father Yawgmoth Poison is a FAR less popular mechanic in Commander.

Not saying you shouldn't use it - I for one embrace it. But using Poison will give you a distinct political disadvantage at just about every single table you show up to. Once the other players know, they will more than likely work together to tear apart your boardstate and shove you off the table.

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

8 months ago

It had not been implemented yet as I was asked to try and reduce some of the complexity. I don't think I succeeded.

Tutor:

"search your library for ... card..."
"searches their library for ... card..."
"may search their library for ... card..."
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... you may"
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... that card onto the battlefield under your control"
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has a period in it.
Exception: Any string that replaces the second elipses that starts with "s named" or " named" or " with the same name"

This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored. Note the lack of an inclusion of a period at the end for the first three.

All instances of the word "your" can be swapped for "target player" or "each player".

Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Emergent Ultimatum, Quiet Speculation, Tunnel Vision

Individual exceptions: AEther Searcher, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Hired Giant

Mass Land Denial:

"sacrifices ... lands"
"return ... lands to their owner's hands."
Exception: If the above ... has "two" or "three" in it for any of them.

"each player ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices the rest."

"lands don't untap"
"players can't untap ... land"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.

All instances of the word "land" dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped for "permanent".

"lands are (land subtype)."

All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word "sacrifices" can be swapped for "destroy" or "exile".
All instances of the word "player" can be swapped for "opponent".

A global expection for all Mass Land Denial is made if "nonland" is in any elipses.

Individual cards: Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Land Equilibrium, Limited Resources, Mana Breach, Mana Vortex, Overburden, Pox, Quicksilver Fountain, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin, Wake of Destruction, Ward of Bones, Words of Wind, World Queller

Individual exceptions: Hibernation, Scourglass

Nothing is case sensitive