Demonic Consultation

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Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Custom Legal
Vanguard Legal
Leviathan Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Masters Edition II (ME2) Uncommon
Ice Age (ICE) Uncommon

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Demonic Consultation

Instant

Name a card. Remove the top six cards of your library from the game, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal the named card. Put that card into your hand and remove all other cards revealed this way from the game.

Demonic Consultation Discussion

SideBae on Aminatou in Progress

5 days ago
  1. So Preordain is awesome for the same reasons your Brainstorm and Ponder are... I suggest running it.

  2. Narset, Parter of Veils is a great way to limit your competitive opponents. Especially if you pair her with a well-timed Windfall . Ashiok, Dream Render happens to be another way to punish people for playing tutor-tribal kinds of strategies.

  3. Another hallmark of competitive decks is their ramp, especially zero and two-mana. In your description, you say you want to stay budget -- unfortunately, that rules out about all of the good zero mana ramp. ( Mox Tantalite is bad, and Mox Amber is hardly better most of the time.) So I suggest increasing your two-mana ramp, and maybe including Ancient Tomb if at all possible to speed up their presence on the board. Some to consider: Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy , Talisman of Dominance , Coldsteel Heart , Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens , etc. None of these should be more than a few bucks.

  4. Concerning your lands: I think you're running too many, especially if you add some of the ramp mentioned in (3). I'd cut four-ish, maybe five. Generally, once you have a few (3 - 4) lands, you'd rather have a rock and a land in hand than just two lands, since you can cast the rock without using your land-drop. I'm not sure HOW budget you want to keep this deck, but Mana Confluence and City of Brass are each around $10, and they're great in any three or more color deck. Pain lands ( Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes and Underground River ) are better than your tapped lands like Sejiri Refuge , as far as I can tell.

  5. I think a reanimation package is probably better than running Show and Tell . Show and Tell is symmetrical, and is often actively dangerous to resolve in EDH, when everyone is trying to do busted stuff. I'm much more a fan of Buried Alive and Entomb to get your fatties in the bin, and then using Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , Reanimate and/or Necromancy (which is $$$ for some reason) to get them back.

  6. Tutors like your Demonic Tutor are good, but like zero mana rocks they tend to be pricy (see Vampiric Tutor and Enlightened Tutor ). One I do suggest is Lim-Dul's Vault , which is only a couple dollars these days. It also happens to be instant speed, which is kinda dumb-powerful, if you ask me.

  7. Cumulative upkeep was designed to make powerful effects transient; however, Aminatou, the Fateshifter sorta changes that equation with her -1. Consider cards like Mystic Remora , which you can blink to keep around relatively indefinitely. Similar cards to consider are: Musician , Phyrexian Etchings , Tidal Control and Infernal Darkness (if you're particularly mean).

  8. Divining Witch is interesting -- I'd actually never seen that card before. If you're trying to exile your deck and win with your Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , I think Demonic Consultation is probably a better way... though you might want to keep both. Another method (that I think is worse) is to use the card Doomsday , which is only a few dollars. The problem is that if you run Doomsday , you'd likely want to run a Doomsday -package, so you could win by just casting it and drawing into your top card... For that, I'd suggest talking to someone smarter than me, as I've never been able to get the hang of what the hell is going on with that strategy. All I know is that the package usually has something like Gitaxian Probe and Lotus Petal and ends with me being dead.

  9. You may have good luck with card draw spells. Repeatable effects, like Phyrexian Arena and/or Dark Confidant , tend to be expensive; luckily, the spell versions are often decidedly less so. I suggest running a few or more of the following: Painful Truths , Night's Whisper , Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (running both can be tough since delve can get in its own way), Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Concentrate , Chemister's Insight , Oona's Grace (questionable, due to the high mana requirement), Ancient Excavation (good with the reanimation mentioned in (5)), Archmage's Charm , Chart a Course , Syphon Mind , Deep Analysis and/or Words of Wisdom -- pay extra attention to the instants you can cast on an opponents end step. Another way to do this is simply to steal your opponents' card draw with Notion Thief or Plagiarize .

  10. Lastly, I know its around $11 these days, but I think Counterbalance would be dumb in this deck. Using your general's +1 will let you stack whatever you want on top, which can be especially devastating if you can keep an opponent's general off the board that way.

Good luck man! Love this deck.

dingusdingo on Gravy Garfield Lazav cEDH

1 week ago

drunksementhrowr take as much time as you need with replies! Real life takes priority

Labman is an extremely safe card for this deck specifically, because it aims to exploit creature based combos to fill the graveyard and the commander can act as a duplicate. That's why I preferred Lazav over another UB commander for this build. Being able to Dread Return your lab man after you copy it with Lazav adds in some serious redundancy to your win, which is a nice feeling with 3 hostile players staring you down. The move away from labman will simply need testing to see if it will work. This build with or without labman is correct either way, because I think you can make a strong case for or against it. The Doomsday brew I have (on private still sry lol) uses labman as well as Jace, Wielder of Mysteries with Demonic Consultation Tainted Pact and the unbelievably spicy Divining Witch for more direct A+B combos, and honestly they may have a place in this build.

I would definitely say this is an Ad Nauseam deck. With a single tutor in hand, it becomes a race for as a strong line to winning. Any combo piece + any tutor and you've guaranteed your winning line, and it lets you refill your hand with control and removal. Our curve is super low to fit the Ad Naus, which causes us to make sacrifices in other spots. We are primarily a layered Ad Naus list, with a value generator from the command zone. We can't guarantee advantage like Tymna the Weaver with 2-3 extra cards every turn, we don't have free tutors like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard , and we don't threaten wins with our commander alone like Najeela, the Blade-Blossom . What we DO have is both a combo enabler AND a combo finisher in the command zone. Ad Naus gives us a reachable goal at 5 mana to find a way to exploit the one card our deck always has available to play.

I really like the inclusion of the small sacrifice creatures. With infinite mana, they guarantee a win. They are pretty much the cards that replaced labman.

Cathartic adept is a spicy tech to shit on top-of-deck tutors. Vampiric Tutor Worldly Tutor Mystical Tutor Enlightened Tutor are played in almost every competitive deck that runs those colors. It hates on Sensei's Divining Top . Arguably Codex Shredder could be better here, as its online turn 1, but being a creature gives us more flexibility with Lazav. Pretty easy card to let go of for draw cards, especially if topdeck tutors aren't in your meta.

Dread Return loves Narcomoeba . The mill combos pretty much require a creature (unless you do Mesmeric + basalt monolith), so lazav + mill creature + narcomoeba would guarantee the flashback cost. Must have missed this when I removed Narcomoeba. Sorcery speed does make this a bummer, but we can always have Lazav in play before we flip so we can instant speed make a copy of labman if someone forces us to draw.

Scepter combo is extremely helpful against Cursed Totem and other creature based hate strategies. It gives us a discrete way to end the game, while being made from two cards with EXTREMELY high utility outside the winning combo, you can definitely value imprint something on Isochron early to help with favorable board state. I wouldn't recommend removing it. Any creature with the word "sacrifice" in your graveyard also means you will mill through your deck with Lazav to an outlet for a win.

I think one of the best ways to layer this deck further will be labman + pact lines. I would recommend giving those a serious consideration if you want to drop isochron + reversal. I also think adding more draw and removal is wise,

I enjoyed the anecdote! Glad to see my deck made it into the wild hahahaha! I look forward to your brewing and testing results!

Leptys on Aluren Yarok

2 weeks ago

@Hugomarink:

Thank you for the feedback! Yarok isn't the most powerful general out there as you said, but the synergies he empowers allows for a couple of approaches to make him more than viable. One of them is the Hulkseeker way, which I've found to be the most optimal route for the fastest metas where you can't win any political points for being a slow-roll combo deck (like this Aluren list).

The other one is LabManiac_cobblepott's Yarok: Throw your lands in the Air! -typed Landfall/Stax approach, which doesn't win you friends, but will definitely be a hard pickle to chew as long as your meta isn't full of Demonic Consultation + Laboratory Maniac decks, which chew through difficult board states like a knife cutting butter.

This Aluren list isn't too weak either, but in my metagame which is filled to the brim with Ad Nauseam and Consultation, Hulkseeker has become my go-to list. Hope that answered your question properly! :)

smack80 on Sidisi, Brood Tyrant

2 weeks ago

Also if you're playing laboratory maniac with black in the deck, you must have Demonic Consultation . If ou need the lab maniac, then name lab maniac. You have only a 6% chance of instantly losing the game. If you have the maniac, then when it comes time to name a card, name the Seven of Clubs, fail to find it, no more library!

thehalubi on Tazri 5c Ally-Storm Combo [Competitive]

2 weeks ago

Why are you playing a bunch of worse infinite mana combos than Food Chain? You're getting one dedicated combo with your tutors and clogging your deck with a bunch of individually bad cards doesn't help. Bomberman combo is fragile and both cards aren't otherwise particularly good in the deck, and while Bloom Tender is good on it's own you can't tutor it and Pemmin's Aura / Freed from the Real and win instantly. Also Pemmin's Aura / Freed from the Real both suck.

You're also playing Pongify over Swords to Plowshares , Misdirection over Force of Negation .

Add Jace, Wielder of Mysteries to make Demonic Consultation  and Tainted Pact better.

Inkmoth on 4C Rashmi - Curious Control

3 weeks ago

Just finished sleeving this up last night and I look forward to playing it through out this weekend:D

My only confusion comes from Tainted Pact and Demonic Consultation , are they strictly for Jace, Wielder of Mysteries wins or are they used outside of that? If so for what? Black in cEDH is entirely new to me and I want make sure I am making the most viable decisions when I run into cards. Many thanks in advance.

SideBae on Tasigur, the Golden Fang

3 weeks ago

Hey man! Always good to see another Tasigur list. Here're some suggestions:

  1. Dorks, in addition to your Bloom Tender , are one of the main reasons to play green. Llanowar Elves , Deathrite Shaman , Birds of Paradise and Elves of Deep Shadow are all worth including; Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Priest of Titania and Arbor Elf are all worth considering. Arbor Elf is especially good if you end up running something like Utopia Sprawl or Wild Growth . One common reason dorks are left out of Tasigur, the Golden Fang is because if they die, they'd be returned with his ability rather than a more relevant card. However, first, with delve you have a level of control over what is in your yard; second, I feel the mana-bonus is good enough to justify their inclusion, as they can help activate Tasigur MORE often.

  2. If you include dorks, running Edric, Spymaster of Trest is a good idea. Originally, I thought I'd cut him from my final list, but with dorks to poke with he can easily draw four or five cards.

  3. If you include dorks, you can also start including artifact hate. I've had such success with Collector Ouphe that it's actually slightly scary, as a Null Rod effect you can tutor with Green Sun's Zenith (if you wanna run that too) is a big deal.

  4. Ponder and Preordain are both worth including. Having them returned with Tasigur on an opponent's end step is actually better than it seems prima facie, and being able to dig to or past lands/action you need is a big deal. Brainstorm is worth including, as you have fetches like Evolving Wilds and Windswept Heath as a shuffle effect to get rid of blank cards.

  5. Windfall is a great card that's usually card-positive for you, especially if you can resolve it with Narset, Parter of Veils on the table. Similarly, Jace's Archivist is a card I've been thinking about a lot for this list.

  6. If you include Windfall and similar effects, dredge becomes a viable include. Stinkweed Imp and Life from the Loam can help fill your yard for delve-spells.

  7. Speaking of delve-spells, I think you should run either Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time . I understand that running both is problematic, as especially with Tasigur their delve-costs can get in the way of each other. One or the other, I think, is great.

  8. I think there're easier ways to exile your deck than needing an infinite-mana combo and Tasigur. Demonic Consultation with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries on the table is an immediate win, and if you craft your mana-base to include only one land of each name you can run Tainted Pact for the same effect. Note that, for this purpose, Snow-Covered Forest and Forest are different names, so you'd only have to functionally replace one Island and one Swamp . I suggest using things like Waterlogged Grove and Nurturing Peatland .

  9. Extra untaps are great with Tasigur. Wilderness Reclamation and Seedborn Muse are great ways to squeeze extra value out of Tasigur, and with your counter magic you can probably keep them on the table for a while.

  10. My main win-condition in my Tasigur list is actually Nexus of Fate . If you manage to exile your entire deck, Nexus of Fate becomes your deck on resolution. Pairing it with the aforementioned Tainted Pact can result in instant fun. Of course, one of the main attractions of Tasigur is the wide variety of win conditions you can run, but I figured I'd mention my favorite one.

  11. Biomancer's Familiar and Training Grounds : I suggest running at least one of these. Biomancer's Familiar is great in metas that don't hate on search effects, as you can fetch it with Worldly Tutor or Green Sun's Zenith , if you end up using them; it's also a body to bash with, if you run Edric, Spymaster of Trest . If your meta has a bunch of Wrath of God effects, Training Grounds is better and cheaper qua its mana cost.

  12. There're some good draw-spells to consider. Painful Truths is a favorite of mine I think is wildly underplayed in EDH; Night's Whisper , Harmonize , the Fact or Fiction you cut and the like are all good too.

  13. Noxious Revival is a great way to grab what you need from your yard if your opponents don't wanna give it to you.

  14. Depending on your meta, Compost and Carpet of Flowers can be pretty damn good. So like... try 'em out.

Good luck! That's all I got.

SideBae on First Oloro, you must learn, stax on stax off

3 weeks ago

Right. Let's talk Stax.

  1. Zur's Weirding : This is a hell of a card to consider when you have a general that gives you a lot of excess life. Being able to deny opponents any relevant spell is great, and because your opponents presumably don't have as reliable a source of life-gain, it is eventually going to be asymmetric-ish.

  2. In a black, three-color deck, I think Painful Truths is better than Ambition's Cost . I run it in my Tasigur, the Golden Fang list, and I've been very impressed with it.

  3. Prismatic Vista is a great fetch to include in a Back to Basics deck. I suggest including Silent Clearing , as having the ability to cycle a land that ETBs untapped is a big deal.

  4. Your curve is consistent at the low end. Counterbalance with Sensei's Divining Top can be very powerful, especially since it is a counter-spell emulator that doesn't cost card-advantage.

  5. Xerox cards are good. Ponder and Preordain are both great cards, since they dig you to lands if you need them or past them if you don't. Brainstorm is especially good with a fetch land, and you run enough fetches to justify its inclusion.

  6. Because you're facing so many opponents, one-for-ones are typically not enough to put you ahead in the game. Swords to Plowshares is one of the only one-for-ones I suggest in EDH (because of its absurd efficiency); I think you should include it. Oblation and Murder are probably not going to put you far enough ahead. I suggest running Supreme Verdict , Toxic Deluge , Wrath of God and friends. If you cut some of your creatures for more enchantment or non-creature artifact-based disruption, these will be especially powerful. If you make all your lands snow-covered, Dead of Winter is also an excellent boardwipe. Also, Cyclonic Rift .

  7. In my Grand Arbiter Augustin IV deck I used to run Approach of the Second Sun as a win-condition... you might want to consider it. However, I think it is probably too slow and too expensive to be a reliable win condition. I think a better win condition would be Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . Planeswalkers are already really good in a stalemate, and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries can produce an insta-win if you resolve Demonic Consultation and name a card not in your deck. (Side Note: You get extra points if you name Atog , Singing Tree or Falling Star with your Demonic Consultation .)

  8. In addition to Demonic Consultation , if you're smarter than me and have the requisite brain-power Doomsday can be a good way to end the game. As implied, I don't really know how to explain Doomsday decks and/or the best way to play them, but I've seen them go off and find it spectacular. Google 'Doomsday EDH Primer' -- I think the first one that comes up (a TappedOut link) is especially good.

  9. As above mentioned, planeswalkers are busted in stalemates or when you have the game on lockdown. Teferi, Hero of Dominaria is a great card-draw engine that effectively costs three-mana, and he doubles as removal. Depending on whether you have ethical qualms about being a monster, he also produces a hard-lock on untapping when paired with Stasis . (Note that Smothering Tithe paired with Stasis also does this). Technically, this can be a win-condition; Teferi, Hero of Dominaria is capable of minus-ing on himself, preventing you from milling out, while you wait for your opponents to concede or draw their decks. Jace, the Mind Sculptor is another great card in a stalemate.

  10. Ashiok, Dream Render and Narset, Parter of Veils are both extremely good in EDH. Narset is especially good if you can pair her with a Windfall , which you should also run. Teferi, Time Raveler is another sort of hate-piece, and I've been very impressed with him. Kaya, Orzhov Usurper can be good in the right meta, and her other incarnation, Kaya, Ghost Assassin is good in a much wider set of situations.

  11. Tutors are a big part of making a good deck great. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the best, but they're very expensive and therefore rather inaccessible. Lim-Dul's Vault , Dark Petition , Mastermind's Acquisition , Diabolic Tutor , Enlightened Tutor and Mystical Tutor are all good, too, and more affordable. Whir of Invention is a good way to utilize your artifacts to find whatever silver-bullet lock-piece you need.

  12. If, as first mentioned in (6), you end up cutting some creatures, Night of Souls' Betrayal is a powerhouse against a lot of decks.

  13. As you're in Stax, you're usually playing for the long-game. This means incremental value is extra important. Search for Azcanta  Flip is a great way to improve the quality of your draws. Bitterblossom is excellent for producing blockers/small bodies to poke planeswalkers with, and it pairs REAL well with your Smokestack .

  14. Mana-rocks are the best form of acceleration in your colors. Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy , Talisman of Dominance and Dimir Signet are all worth adding, and Thought Vessel , Mind Stone , Prismatic Lens and Coldsteel Heart are all worth at least thinking about. Two-mana rocks are especially good if you pair them with an Ancient Tomb , which is another land to consider. Sol Ring , the best ramp in the game, should go in now. If you increase your artifact-count, you can also run Mox Opal in addition to your Mox Diamond .

  15. Long games tend to produce large graveyards. Consider Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time in order to capitalize on this.

  16. You seem a little light on counter-magic. Mana Drain and Force of Will are the gold-standard here, but as such they cost a fortune. Other, more accessible counterspells include: Counterspell , Dovin's Veto , Negate , Dispel , Spell Snare , Spell Pierce , Flusterstorm , Swan Song , Delay , Remand and Cryptic Command .

  17. If you choose to run more mana-acceleration, like those mentioned in (14), cards like Armageddon and Ravages of War can end games. This is perhaps the most brutal effect in EDH, but... you know. Is fun. Cataclysm is a powerful board wipe, though its effect extends past lands and therefore does not leave your board intact. So consider carefully.

  18. I should mention Pox , as I see you're running Death Cloud . Pox is right up there with Armageddon in terms of brutality, though I haven't had as much luck with it -- costing triple black is a bit of a nuisance. I've had a better experience with Smallpox or just straight-up Liliana of the Veil .

  19. Mystic Remora is great for slowing down a game if your opening seven isn't really fast. In more inexperienced metas, it can easily be an Ancestral Recall or two.

  20. I think Rule of Law is strictly better than Arcane Laboratory , as it cannot be killed with Pyroblast or Red Elemental Blast . In my experience, most red decks run at least one of those cards, and being able to dodge them if possible is a not-insignificant bonus.

  21. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is a strictly-better Glowrider , if you want to keep this effect in the final list.

  22. Finally, the Words cards may be worth it. Words of Wind with Wall of Omens makes a three-mana-an-iteration loop that can, if you're in a favorable position, clean your opponents' boards. Words of Waste is usually good in Erebos, God of the Dead and other direct card-advantage generals' decks, but it may be worth including if you cast Oloro, Ageless Ascetic and draw with him often enough. It'll keep pressure on your opponents' hands real well.

Aright. Good luck man! Oloro was my first general, so I got a soft-spot.

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