As Molten Echoes enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Whenever a nontoken creature of the chosen type enters the battlefield under your control, create a token that's a copy of that creature. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
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Molten Echoes occurrence in decks from the last year
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Molten Echoes Discussion
2 weeks ago
Overall, your deck looks good! It looks like you have 2 Siege-Gang Commander in your list. A couple cards you might want to consider in its spot might be Molten Echoes or Goblin Gardener (more meta call if you have troublesome lands in your meta).
I also run Alesha, & she's one of my favorite commanders. Check out the list on my profile if you're interested.
3 weeks ago
I'll try to explain my reasoning as best as possible, but some of the cards you brought up happen to the spots I'm actually less sure of. First off, cards that have done well for me.
- Anger I love this card. It's basically a free discard for all my draw spells, or when you cast Buried Alive you can grab whatever dragons you need and this guy.
- Lathliss, Dragon Queen Honestly unsure still. Her fire breathing has actually come up more than the tokens. But in a few games I've been able to reanimate multiple things and the extra bodies have been nice. Still undecided.
- Molten Echoes This card is actually in here for the infinite combo. The combo has only come up once, but the hasty tokens have actually been even better. It also is amazing if you have either Scourge of Valkas or Terror of the Peaks on the battlefield.
- Skyline Despot Getting the initial draw is nice, but you always become a target and I've never actually made the token. He is probably a safe cut for something more reliable.
The creatures you mentioned were so close to making it into my first build. If I could run 105 cards I'd probably have them. You very well may be correct to include them, but the reason they didn't make the cut is because they're creatures. I was hesitant to put my card advantage in something that had to stick around and have another creature attack. Chainer is amazing but I hate that I have to pay full price! I want to cheat! Feldon is pretty cool but again, he has to wait a turn before he can help us. Mausoleum Secrets is very interesting. I like the extra tutor to get our reanimation effects. The reason I have Final Parting is so I can grab both the spell and the creature, but it's a lot a 5cmc.
Hellkite Tyrant I'll admit, this is really only in here because it's a "staple". It has stolen a few signets and sol rings but that's about it. I could be convinced to swap this guy for something else.
That's a lot for now, but if it isn't obvious, I love talking Bladewing! I'm excited now about a treasure upgrade!
3 weeks ago
MeanLizard thanks for sharing your list! I'd love to talk out where I see variance in our design!
You're only playing Dragons (and Anger , always Anger )! I really like your low creature count and how it opens up space for instants and enchantments. I'm seeing our differences in playstyle come from this section. Also, we both REALLY need to add Goldspan Dragon ...a lot.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen consistently underwhelmed for me. I hope you haven't found that to be the case!
Please let me pitch you on swapping Hellkite Tyrant for a utility creature like Dockside Extortionist ! I always found Tyrant to be a win-more card and I consistently feel like this deck doesn't need to win-more, it needs to sustain and accelerate.
Where you have Tormenting Voice , I run Azra Oddsmaker . For Wild Guess , I run Chainer, Nightmare Adept . Your Cathartic Reunion swaps in for my Daretti, Scrap Savant . Your Molten Echoes mirrors my Feldon of the Third Path .
How have you felt about your gameplay? You've streamlined this strategy to the Nth degree with heavier draw and reanimation packages - I can imagine this being SO quick and potentially a bit more prone to getting squashed by graveyard hate. Maybe not because of how much card draw you're doing?
Take out Final Parting for Mausoleum Secrets and enjoy! Also, how can we find space for Underworld Breach here?! You're leaning into flashback and threshold a bit more than I do, I'd LOVE to see these inclusions!
I have some other questions and thoughts, but that feels like plenty to start with!
2 months ago
Followed Footsteps is a really good suggestion I am going to consider! Because it certainly is a real bummer to grab a blade of selves on a 1v1. Mirror Mockery is another good alternative to blade of selves.
If only we could access to cards like Molten Echoes..
Monitor as usual explains before I can get to haha, thanks for always having my back man! I usually clean the comments up after a while to avoid enormous logs. My primer is quite a log already...
3 months ago
X-Factor11105: Some good points! Here's my reasoning:
Molten Echoes is largely in here because it is the easiest enabler I've found for Bladewing to go infinite, while still providing reliable value when not going infinite. While there are some legendaries that kinda nonbo with it (though you can always let the legendary die and swing with the hasty token), there are also a number of dragons that are really good with it. Making copies of stuff like Utvara Hellkite, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks, and Dragon Tyrant is awesome.
Avaricious Dragon has sucked a lot of ass. I included it to lower my curve and increase my draw power, butttt it really has not been pulling its weight. I'll cut it as soon as I find something else I want to run. Maybe Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge? I see you're running him, how has he been?
Command Beacon is in here now because there just honestly is no reason not to include it. I don't see myself using it often, but there's just really no downside to including it, since my manabase is more than consistent enough to afford the utility slot. Like you said, I generally just let Bladewing hit the graveyard to reanimate later, but if I don't have access to a reanimate spell and do have the mana to hardcast him again, I usually let him go back to the command zone. This makes that line of play a little less punishing.
Altar of Dementia is here because I wanted a free sac outlet to enable the new infinite loop with Hellkite Courser, and it is IMO the best one in a vacuum. It's one cmc cheaper than ashnod's, can mill out an opponent if I don't have a Dragon Tempest effect on board, and can be used to fill my graveyard in a pinch.
Nightscape Familiar is... fine. Nothing amazing, but the cost reduction applies to a lot of my spells, and being able to regenerate makes him a decent blocker if I need one.
Since you mentioned it, I think Drownyard Temple is a card I would use if I went a bit harder on aggressively self-milling to fill my graveyard, but I generally don't like doing that (makes it easier to get blown out by gravehate).
I generally don't worry about establishing early-game presence too much with this deck. I spend the first few turns ramping, looting, and sending removal at everything my opponents play, then start dropping dragons.
3 months ago
- Trigger for one of the ETB effects you listed (Tempest / Scourge / Terror)
- Send original to yard based on available recursion (PRO: fills the yard, CON: telegraphs your next move a bit). This could also be a lesser synergy with Boneyard Scourge
I think the nonbo aspect to me is that there isn't that perfect, consistent synergy with those legendaries - in this case, Drakuseth, Maw of Flames, Dragonlord Kolaghan, and Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury. It's hopefully a trigger, but choosing the token to remain on the battlefield also clearly telegraphs to your opponents what's coming next. The deck is fairly straightforward, so it's not like it'll be a big shocker, but I'd expect multiple players to hold up mana for counters / spot removal if they see you keep the token and send the original to the graveyard.
In my experience with Bladewing, I've had trouble sustaining an early-game presence, even with a host of 2-3 drops and a bunch of looting effects. Admittedly, I might be looking at Echoes through a narrow lense - the late-game synergy is truly back-breaking (multiple Balefire Dragon, Utvara Hellkite,or Scourge of the Throne triggers probably wins the game outright). I think I'd just be concerned to drop an enchantment that doesn't affect the board on T3 or T4 while my opponents continue to ramp or get their strategies really in motion on that same turn. If you've seen the benefits outweigh the negatives I'd love to know about that experience!
I can confirm Hazoret's Monument has been great, even at a slightly higher cost. Having that additional method for filling the yard has been super helpful.
Speaking of, have either of you considered Drownyard Temple? I don't think I use it currently but could see it having value, knowing how much discarding wants to happen here (hi Chainer, Nightmare Adept! Also considering Azra Oddsmaker and Olivia, Mobilized for War).
3 months ago
X-Factor11105 curious to hear which dragons you consider to be nonbos with Molten Echoes. Even if a legendary dragon dies straight away it’s still another Dragon Tempest/Scourge/Terror trigger. It’s also an immediate Ryusei/Kokusho trigger as you’ve pointed out. You can even send the original to the graveyard to reanimate later and swing in with the token. Unless your opponents’ decks are built around gaining value from your creatures dying the downside seems low.
Hazoret's Monument is a possible replacement for the familiar. It costs slightly more and only affects creatures but the looting could be helpful. I like Heartless Summoning in big creatures decks too but there maybe aren’t enough creatures here to be worth it.
3 months ago
Fuzzlewuzzle I'm glad you keep working on this deck! I'm still working to tighten mine up as well!
Some questions and thoughts:
Molten Echoes: I think we differ on this because of playstyle. Of your 18 dragons (including Bladewing), 4 are Legendary, and three of them are nonbos with Molten Echoes (Bladewing goes infinite). In my deck, , I have 7. At least Ryusei, the Falling Star and Kokusho, the Evening Star would be funny triggers with Echoes. I think I'd rather be selective about what to copy and focus on building up board presence or draw in the mid-game than play a payoff.
Command Beacon: You have this included for a 2nd or 3rd cast of Bladewing? My normal play is to let Bladewing hit the graveyard, knowing there's so much recursion packed in to bring him back.
Altar of Dementia: You went with this as the sac outlet to end the game versus, say Ashnod's Altar, which requires an additional play? I think there's a pros/cons discussion to be had about Altar vs. High Market, but if going infinite is the purpose of that slot, I can get it.
Nightscape Familiar: Does this card dramatically accelerate your deck? I see why it could be valuable with cost reduction, I'm just not totally convinced its a strong enough 2-drop. The regeneration is nice though, so I 100% see how it could be so worthwhile, especially if it can stick on the board for a turn or two.