Repay in Kind

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Repay in Kind

Sorcery

Each player's life total becomes the lowest life total among all players.

CinnaBunMon on Wacky Waving Infallible Life Flailing Masochists

5 months ago

@jamochawoke

Thanks for the tip!

I've actually been using this deck for a few years now and haven't run into cards that stop life gain too often (I think my playgroups just don't use them very much). It does slow the deck down quite a bit and makes you have to actually think more... might take that extra removal into consideration. Maybe something like Felidar Cub so I can get it back with Ravos and other graveyard recursion cards. I do have Sunforger which helps search them up (but that's really it...).

For the most part, when I've ran into things that stop life gain I've either been able to remove it pretty easily, or put both me and it's controller in a position where we're easy to kill (sort of a "take you down with me" move). Using something like Repay in Kind or Magus of the Mirror to take us both to 1 life is dang satisfying.

Lol yeah, I've been knocked out of the game with Atarka's Command before and got a good laugh out of it.

Raven_of_Arella on A Man and his Dog

6 months ago

amarthaler thank you! I've done some searching and found a few cards that may increase my interactions with the other players for some good fun! I put them in the maybe board for now so that I can do a little more digging on what might be the most fun to have for everyone... apart from Repay in Kind though :) I'll have to figure out what 1 or 2 cards I could replace (maybe Silence as it isn't exactly my favorite way of playing but definitely seems like a great card for slowing the other players down a turn)

77hi77 on Defile Me Daddy Rakdos

7 months ago

Rocketman988 thanks so much! I had a busy couple of weeks so am only just getting to digest everything you've suggested. This is fantastic, thank you again!

Originally I had most of the devil token sorceries you suggested, then I took them out for a similar reason to something we've talked about in your deck's discussions with big demons: it has to be able do something other than be a body. Burn Down the House was the only one that made sense after that, but I think now the deck is at the point where I don't have enough tokens. It's the bad middle ground between how you've built yours, where you're expecting a small board state, and how I was originally planning to go wide and sac things without disrupting my board state. So, you're right as always, I'll put those back in the deck. I had never heard of Carrion, that card is perfect! I love Wand of Orcus, it's in my zombie deck; I think I kept it out of this one because of some idea of theme (that it's devils serving demons), but I literally have Orcus in the deck and he's allowed to play with his wand.

You did break my heart a little bit with the Strionic Resonator news, it was there either as an insurance policy (whether I get to deal damage or not, you're going to sacrifice your permanents), or as a way to share the love and have everyone sac things. Now that I know it doesn't work that way, it's kind of a relief, it opens up space for more cards that lean into the deck's main strategies/more protection for the key pieces.

That's kinda the big issue, I have so many demon strategies I want to play, I have two demon decks, and even then a lot of things don't fit in either. It's the issue with every deckbuilding process, cool cards that don't lend to your main strategy. Originally I had the deck full of possibly inefficient cards with flashback costs to synergize with Lord of the Forsaken, because I wanted to do something similar to what your deck does with Treasonous Ogre (not a demon, so I'm iffy about putting it in this one), Doom Whisperer, and Repay in Kind. That enters life manipulation territory, which my other demon deck focuses on more, but then I can't use Cut / Ribbons because that deck is mono black. Similarly, your Hellcarver Demon combos are some of the coolest bits of synergy I've ever seen, but again it feels like it fits better thematically in my other deck, but yours benefit greatly from having access to extra combats and haste. I've been deciding whether a Pestilence Demon + Shriveling Rot play fits better in this deck or the other, currently it's in the other one because that deck was starting to get boring (ramp, ramp, ramp, ramp, cast Razaketh, the Foulblooded, tutor, tutor, you lose half your life, you lose that much life again. I win). It sounds like I'm going to look closely at both decks and do whatever rebuilding I need to do.

I just bought a box of Commander Masters, so I've spent the weekend upgrading 4 other decks. Today can be Daddy Rakdos day, I'll keep this thread updated as I do it

milohenry13 on Lucky 13

1 year ago

Thanks, Profet93!

Yeah, its biggest strength is definitely card advantage. I like to build my decks without most fast mana, sadly this deck has a sol ring, but oh well. With that said, an early engine piece in this deck that lets it start generating value early turn 2 or 3 is great.

The combos mostly revolve around reducing life totals. Sometimes rare, but against life gain decks it shines because it can make players life total a number, instead of merely doing damage or draining life. Hitting a Necropotence into a Repay in Kind and having a Leechridden Swamp out is awesome, which ironically was the first win it got at my local pub game, and a win con I hadn't even thought about until I saw it in my hand.

The deck was built to sit around and create value, while draining life, until I can go for a Triskaidekaphobia + Tree of Perdition. But Tree also works with Sorin the Mirthless but rare that could happen, but it totally could, especially if Sorin gets out there turn 2.

The creatures have some swinging power, clearly especially, Phyrexian Obliterator.

I hear everyone's critique on Sever the Bloodline. I want to point out, it is only 4 mana, and I can play it twice, it has great utility because of the token removal, people do not expect it at all, and exiles in stead of destroys, which I love. I don't mind the sorcery speed. This deck can generate so much card advantage that if I have to pitch it, it's still available from the yard, and it can sit in my hand until I need it because my hand size is usually 7+.

However, Spine of Ish Sah is excellent in my deck because of Keskit, the Flesh Sculptor's ability. It's "creature or artifact" so I can just keep recurring the Spine, and drawing.

Cheers, M

Lhurgyof on Oh geez Rick...

1 year ago

Repay in Kind is great for suicide black decks.

So is Lich if you can get your hands on one.

+1 from me, I have a suicide deck too:


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TheOfficialCreator on Sygg

1 year ago

In all honesty, if you run a couple of quick board-splashes, or something like Pestilence which could wipe the board consistently at some cost, then your board presence wouldn't necessarily improve, but everyone else's would be weaker.

I might consider, especially with such a low-cost commander, shifting your mana curve slightly to the left to make the entire deck a bit quicker.

I've also seen a lot of Sygg decks that use unblockable creatures to great advantage, combined with effects like Bident of Thassa.

Also, I'm not really sure what Repay in Kind is supposed to do here. Would you mind explaining to me what your reasoning is?

griffstick on Black cards that pay any …

1 year ago

Are you trying to drain yourself to cast Repay in Kind

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