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As an additional cost to play Carrion, sacrifice a creature.
Put X 0/1 black Insect creature tokens into play, where X is the sacrificed creature's power.
3 months ago
Rocketman988 thanks so much! I had a busy couple of weeks so am only just getting to digest everything you've suggested. This is fantastic, thank you again!
Originally I had most of the devil token sorceries you suggested, then I took them out for a similar reason to something we've talked about in your deck's discussions with big demons: it has to be able do something other than be a body. Burn Down the House was the only one that made sense after that, but I think now the deck is at the point where I don't have enough tokens. It's the bad middle ground between how you've built yours, where you're expecting a small board state, and how I was originally planning to go wide and sac things without disrupting my board state. So, you're right as always, I'll put those back in the deck. I had never heard of Carrion, that card is perfect! I love Wand of Orcus, it's in my zombie deck; I think I kept it out of this one because of some idea of theme (that it's devils serving demons), but I literally have Orcus in the deck and he's allowed to play with his wand.
You did break my heart a little bit with the Strionic Resonator news, it was there either as an insurance policy (whether I get to deal damage or not, you're going to sacrifice your permanents), or as a way to share the love and have everyone sac things. Now that I know it doesn't work that way, it's kind of a relief, it opens up space for more cards that lean into the deck's main strategies/more protection for the key pieces.
That's kinda the big issue, I have so many demon strategies I want to play, I have two demon decks, and even then a lot of things don't fit in either. It's the issue with every deckbuilding process, cool cards that don't lend to your main strategy. Originally I had the deck full of possibly inefficient cards with flashback costs to synergize with Lord of the Forsaken, because I wanted to do something similar to what your deck does with Treasonous Ogre (not a demon, so I'm iffy about putting it in this one), Doom Whisperer, and Repay in Kind. That enters life manipulation territory, which my other demon deck focuses on more, but then I can't use Cut / Ribbons because that deck is mono black. Similarly, your Hellcarver Demon combos are some of the coolest bits of synergy I've ever seen, but again it feels like it fits better thematically in my other deck, but yours benefit greatly from having access to extra combats and haste. I've been deciding whether a Pestilence Demon + Shriveling Rot play fits better in this deck or the other, currently it's in the other one because that deck was starting to get boring (ramp, ramp, ramp, ramp, cast Razaketh, the Foulblooded, tutor, tutor, you lose half your life, you lose that much life again. I win). It sounds like I'm going to look closely at both decks and do whatever rebuilding I need to do.
I just bought a box of Commander Masters, so I've spent the weekend upgrading 4 other decks. Today can be Daddy Rakdos day, I'll keep this thread updated as I do it
4 months ago
Hey 77hi77! I love the angle you are going for with the deck, the "playing like a demon" role. I really like the token subtheme, and it feels like you could lean into that even more to give you more breathing room to swing with Rakdos. With more emphasis on a token subtheme, you wouldn't set your board back as much when you swing with Rakdos for "revenge" when your besties turn on you. Instead of resource denial, he'd play as incentive for others to leave you alone OR ELSE. Flavor wise, the legion of tokens would represent your minions that are sacrificed to get what you want.
Burn Down the House, Dance with Devils, and Devils' Playground would fill out the devil token subtheme you have going on, and Asmodeus the Archfiend, Fiendish Duo, Mayhem Devil, and Sin Prodder add even more devil synergy that aligns with the deck goals.
Army of the Damned, Carrion, Curse of Opulence, Dreadfeast Demon, Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder, Wand of Orcus, and Infernal Genesis are all great token cards that fit the infernal theme. Baeloth Barrityl, Entertainer plus pump effects means permanent goaded enemy creatures and treasures for you to ramp with or sac to Rakdos as long as he's on the field. Speaking of pump, Arterial Alchemy can increase the power of your creatures, makes 4 permanents to sacrifice, and gives the deck even more draw power. Bloodthirsty Blade is a great demonic artifact to gift to problematic creatures. Black Market Connections gives you ramp, card draw, or tokens depending on what you need at the moment. Bite of the Black Rose is a super fun "choose your doom' flavor card. Head Games is a terrific demonic deal- while searching their library, see what deals they're willing to give you in order to get what they want. If they don't make a deal with you, they pay the price.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Rakdos's abilities are not targeted abilities, so Wyll's Reversal cannot copy Rakdos's sacrifice triggers. Likewise, you can copy Rakdos's on attack ability, but it will just make YOU sacrifice half your permanents again. Since Rakdos's ability does not target, so new targets cannot be selected for it; copying his abilities just does it again to the same person it would already affect. Additionally, Rakdos's abilities have separate triggers- one that triggers on your attack and one that triggers on dealing damage to an opponent. So you do have to deal damage to an opponent to copy the opponent sacrifice ability with Strionic Resonator or Lithoform Engine. That being said, Maze of Ith is an ability that goes on the stack when activated, so it can be responded to with cards like Bolt Bend, Not of this World, Deflecting Swat, etc. Maze of Ith and instant speed interaction usually targets too, so Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots help a lot with that too.
2 years ago
Hey goldlion , please excuse the much belated reply. This deck has been a little amorphous over the years, I had initially added a whole bunch of anti control with steal and fling elements but I found that it couldn't remove threats or reset the board quite so easily and would draw the ire of control players leaving the others at the table to get too unmanageable. By swapping the anti control to a recursion engine with repeatable sac outlets it made the deck play a whole lot more aggressively and, had the added bonus of more removal to get around these shortcomings.
One thing that might surprise you is that there are a number of draw spells that gel in to the main strategy and although I did have both Grim Haruspex and Harvester of Souls I found that they were a bit underwhelming if you are doing powerbombs from the top ropes. Greater Good is an all star in this deck as it can capitalise off a single giant creature, or multiple tokens that get the etb buff from Ogre Battledriver and In the Web of War . Rishkar's Expertise is another all star with a huge Kresh as the cast trigger let's you effectively cascade.
This deck ran Vicious Shadows which is an excellent card but because it and Purphoros, God of the Forge don't work off the creatures power or toughness it ended up not working quite so neatly. If I had a few more token generators it would be doable. Carrion does seem like a great card for that reason and I do have a Rite of the Raging Storm to add but I just never get around to it haha.
Thanks for mentioning the Cauldron Dance . I had loved the card when I first saw it (in like 2014 or so, before it's recent reprints), so I kind of built Kresh with it specifically in mind. I think it is so much value for 6 mana and at instant speed no less. Have used it to eat up two big attackers by dropping in even fatter bombs (which triggered Warstorm Surge and killed another player much to the horror of everyone else). There are a bunch of changes to make to this deck list so I will update it soon
2 years ago
Carrion (its just good and i didnt know there was such a card)
Koskun Falls (i loved koskun, it has so much power in a more cedh deck, i play casually tho so aint the best for me).
You can also bring Ashnod's Altar with Moonsilver Key or cards like Caged Sun (just mentioning it). I think you could probably replace Wayfarer's Bauble (i am aware that way its on the field but still, you have much much more options with key)
3 years ago
Only because i only looked at my Gisa deck
3 years ago
"I left Carrion and Bloodthirsty Aerialist because they work well together"
3 years ago
You might like these: Dawn of the Dead (free etb + sac to Ayara!), Syr Konrad, the Grim, Black Market, Harvester of Souls, Champion of Stray Souls, Nim Devourer, Desecrated Tomb, Lightning Coils, Aetherworks Marvel, Cauldron of Souls, Carnival of Souls, Carrion, Dread Summons, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Hell's Caretaker, Awaken the Erstwhile