Grismold, the Dreadsower
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Grismold, the Dreadsower

Legendary Creature — Troll Shaman


At the beginning of your end step, each player creates a 1/1 green Plant creature token.

Whenever a creature token dies, put a +1/+1 counter on Grismold, the Dreadsower.

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Mave on endles whispers edh

5 months ago

I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)

In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.

Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.

Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.

To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).

If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.

Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.

It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.

I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.

I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.

ldvatwa on You Gotta Pay The Troll Toll

5 months ago

Thank you, Optimator. This has been a labor of love. While I've had it for only 4 years, which still a bit less than my longest deck being Omnath, Locus of Mana at 7 years, this is for sure my favorite deck to pilot. I could play the deck all day if I could and not get sick of it. It felt only right for this to be the deck that I try foiling out. Now I just need Wizards to make a foil variant of Grismold, the Dreadsower, Species Specialist, and Witch's Clinic. Unless I'm not aware there's foils of those. In that case I've got some purchases to make lol.

DreadKhan on Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest

6 months ago

I've always loved Mazirek, such a cool Commander! I think Make an Example would probably do some work in here, and it's little brother Do or Die would probably be decent as well.

Mitotic Slime is a good source of creatures-from-a-creature, the only ones that can compete are cards like Underworld Hermit, which makes an army of squirrels equal to your devotion to Black. There are things like Grismold, the Dreadsower that can make a lot of bodies (it gives them to opponents as well, but if you can force them to sacrifice those tokens both Grismold and Mazirek go nuts), Grismold even offers a backup Commander of a sort for long games when you might not be able to recast Mazirek.

I'm not sure if you're interested in reanimation effects, but Hell's Caretaker is a free sac each upkeep, and he can bring back your best creature in exchange for your worst. Coffin Queen can reanimate from any graveyard, but it's especially useful to reanimate your opponent's stuff because it gets exiled when it dies. If you want a repeatable reanimation effect there is Demon of Dark Schemes, this offers a small wipe and it works very well with Pitiless Plunderer and something like the aforementioned Mitotic Slime.

Since your Commander cares about sacrifice effects, have you thought about using Diligent Farmhand and Dawntreader Elk in here? There is also Burnished Hart, all of these ramp you and can trigger Mazirek if he's out. There is also Ordeal of Nylea that would work with Mazirek later game (or anything that can get in early). I'm not sure if it comes up very much, but I put Forsworn Paladin in my Golgari deck because it had Haakon, but what I noticed was that it's also a useful way to ramp in Black, which importantly can fix your mana (to let you cast Green ramp), it's very low to the ground and can generate triggers for Mazirek or help recast Mazirek later.

Have you ever tried Sadistic Hypnotist? This offers a free and infinite sac outlet, and the effect can be pretty strong if you've got a bunch of creatures to burn through. Another really versatile sac outlet is Infernal Tribute, this lets you sacrifice any non-token permanent (it has to be an actual card) to draw a new card. I'm not 100% on it being a fit, but Savra, Queen of the Golgari is a pretty impressive payoff if you regularly have creatures being sacrificed, it can put a lot of pressure on an opponent's board.

It can get very out of hand with Mazirek, but I feel like I have to mention One with the Kami, it's very good on Mazirek with a free sac outlet. Similarly any creatures you can find with Persist will work very well with Mazirek and sac outlets, though again, this might be more pushed than what you're looking for. I took a gander and Aerie Ouphes might be interesting, and there is always Woodfall Primus, these might help support your Puppeteers!

If you ever want to throw in something pricier, I think Old Gnawbone would be absolutely hilarious in here.

bushido_man96 on Whisper, Blood Liturgist

1 year ago

Smothering Abomination is a great card draw engine. It does a ton of work in my Grismold, the Dreadsower deck.

Gleeock on Thantis the Warweaver

1 year ago

Hmm. I've always had a different experience with Clackbridge Troll, maybe because I play so much darn groupslug/Jund. I love the troll, either he is card draw & lifegain, or 8 trample is no joke if you are putting pressure on the right player... You also can choose whatever player has no blockers for the goats if you feel the need to stack the odds in your favor for likelihood for card draw (if that is what you want).

I always feel like deathtrampletouch is awesome... but I usually only focus on having that on a commander that already has 1/2 of that: Grismold, the Dreadsower is a sweet commander that already comes with the trample piece.

I personally agree with some of the cut-recommendations though... but I also don't want to tell you to cut all the responsive/fort, if you want to make her responsive, like a spiky pillowfort, you can, you just have to playtest it a ton because that is a really tricky playstyle to master while staying relevant in games

What I will say about Sunder Shaman is that if you are running with "combat matters" Thantis & most of your wincon are going to be through combat damage, then it is a good idea to have a high critical mass of artifact or enchantment removal, since there are several aggressively costed permanents of that type that take combat out of the game completely.

For cuts, I agree on taking out signets & focusing more on ramp, maybe removing Crown of Doom (Fiendish Duo) would have a lot more impact, maybe pull some of the "hunted" cycle. I think, remove some of the voltron pieces if you are going to keep the combat-discouraging pieces.

Even in my "less combat-focused" Thantis the "courts" see some good play: Court of Bounty, just monarch in general will often accomplish the type of slap-fight that you are looking for, often moreso than the more obvious force-combat stuff.

bushido_man96 on Advertise your COMMANDER deck!

1 year ago

My latest Golgari deck, helmed by Grismold, the Dreadsower:

Welcome to the Grismold Family Vacation!

Commander / EDH bushido_man96


Looking for a spot to slot in Corpsejack Menace. I just don't want to cut I need some different eyes on it. Also, probably should add a copy of Skullclamp for one of the other draw effects.

Gleeock on Xira stinging pee

1 year ago

Yeah, I think this deck will have more removal than anything I've ever played. If you want the gifting route Grismold, the Dreadsower will be perfection. Along with the new rat gifter. I may just egg my own tokens sometimes. I plan on throwing in some Jund big stuff and polymorph into them.

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