Obeka, Brute Chronologist

Legendary Creature — Ogre Wizard

{T}: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (48)

KongMing on Pop goes the Gravemother

2 months ago

I feel like you're missing out on a lot of great self-mill and looting effects that essentially mana fix your slivers.

Also, why no Sundial of the Infinite and/or Obeka, Brute Chronologist? Seems like not being forced to sacrifice the Encore'd copies is good.

legendofa on Thoughts about magic the gathering …

9 months ago

These are all interesting thoughts and concerns, so please don't take any of my thoughts as saying you're objectively wrong or anything. But I do want to make some points of my own.

1. The plane of Eldraine's the Arthurian/Matter of Britain/Grimm's Fairy Tales place right now. Throne of Eldraine was a pretty even mix, and Wilds of Eldraine was heavy on the fairy tales side, to the point where each color pair had an associated well-known fairy tale. I'd like to see an Arthurian-inspired Courts of Eldraine set. On a broader note, the design team has been open to making sets based on certain public domain properties, for pretty much the reasons you mention.

2. I've been having a lot of this kind of discussion recently, and I'm learning that I'm pretty permissive with what themes and styles I'm okay with. The way I see it, TMNT + Spider-Man New York is thematically one urbanization and industrialization away from Bloomburrow, with maybe an Omenpath for the humans, goblins, and random weirdness. If I went to Theros, made a tight roll of copper wire, and dropped a chunk of magnetite or lodestone through it, would it make an electric current? Or would I have to make an offering to Keranos for it to work? How about mashing up charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, putting it in a tube with a lead ball, and lighting it on fire? Fantasy shouldn't preclude technology, in my not at all humble opinion. Also, again turning to the designers, there's a strict boundary between Universes Beyond and in-house story. Jace and Chandra won't be meeting Cloud and Aerith. And I completely agree with this--one of my hard lines is that UB stays its own thing and doesn't interact with in-house. If that happens, I'm done with the story.

3. How do you feel about cards like Black Knight, or Fog, or Exile, or Festival? These are all simple, nonmagical, yet still evocative names from the early days. If every card is as parsimonious as you suggest, then that almost puts a hard cap on the number of unique and interesting effects that can be made. Complexity creep is definitely a concern, but each new ability or effect that gets made, or each ability or effect that gets interpreted in a new way, will bring additional rules along with it. If the keyword creature ability list was locked into something like flying, haste, trample, first strike, deathtouch, and vigilance, and each creature at most two abilities, you can get just 21 cards out of this list. After that each creature gets at most one of these plus a unique ability, and then you're locked into adjusting the P/T stats. Depending on what you're willing to do with unique abilities, you're going to stretch to get even a thousand creatures. That's about Alpha to Visions. Yeah, there's stuff like Questing Beast, Frenzied Baloth, and Magma Opus, but those come out like once every few years. And some people get excited by big splashy piles of words or weird rules edge cases and try to figure out how to maximize them. I'm still proud of finding (and putting off getting judge confirmation for) a way to use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to lock and take over the game. Weird rules interactions are fun places to explore for a lot of people, including me.

And to add my own thought, it really does break my immersion of a huge, potentially infinite multiverse full of potential and discovery, when it turns out everything is some version of swords and castles and looks like Middle Kingdom Egypt or Age of Exploration Mesoamerica or Jidaigeki Japan or some real-world history. Alara is my favorite plane because it avoids that so hard. Sure, there's some western European + Arabian influence in Bant, and some Mesoamerica in Naya, but Grixis and Esper are pure original fantasy with no real-world counterpart, or at least really worked to hide their sources.

Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

1 year ago

russianbeast93, of the previously mentioned i've only tested The First Sliver. It's an excellent creature and is in my opinion the de facto Food ChainGC cEDH commander. I'm sure there's been some new fancy other option that was recently printed - but they're not a sliver and therefore are inferior. Sliver Gravemother and Rukarumel, Biologist are genuinely interesting Slivers (in Ruka's case "Sliver") that offer more gameplay variety but are not necessary inclusions. I haven't tested either of them in the deck - but I do have the Sliver Swarm precon. I have yet to open it mostly because i'm still trying to figure out what themes I want to build the deck around. In the future i'd love to see a Sliver that is mechanically similar to Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I want Slivers to be able to end player's turns.

FatFreddiesCat on card:obeka, brute chronologist and the …

1 year ago

If I use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to end my turn at the beginning of the end step before triggers and before the clean up step, do the actions that normally take place during the clean up step still happen? Specifically, do I as the active player discard to maximum hand size and is damage removed from permanents?

JurqTheJew on I was given Slicer but …

2 years ago

If opponent gives me his Slicer, Hired Muscle  ^Flip and I Teferi's Protection before end of turn, where does slicer go??

So player A gives his slicer to player B on his upkeep, turn goes normally but before end of turn player B casts Teferis so all his permanents phase out, including slicer. On player B’s end step does slicer go back to player A but stays phased out until B’s next turn? On player C’s, turn can A give them slicer that turn? Basically who controls Slicer at the start of player C’s turn is my main concern here. Like fully controls to the point where they can decide to give slicer away now on players upkeeps

It’s my understanding that because slicer is phased out it cannot return to the owners control which means that player B now controls slicer as if they played the card themself. The “return at end of turn” would either go on the stack from being a continuous effect but the permanent doesn’t technically exist any more so it wont return. Or the return ability wouldn’t go on the stack at all.

I know that if you use a spell like Act of Treason and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist the creature is now just yours forever because the “until end of turn” part wasn’t able to resolve. I see this as technically different but mechanically very similar to the above scenario.

Mave on endles whispers edh

2 years ago

I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)

In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.

Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for {2}{R}{R} then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.

Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.

To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).

If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.

Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.

It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.

I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.

I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.

Shinra_X on The Sliver Gravemother Rocks!!!(Primer)

3 years ago

DeadManJohn1 That's clever! I might borrow that for my deck. I could also recommend Obeka, Brute Chronologist if you want to have a backup for Sundial of the Infinite.

Kron on King of Bad Wifi Connection

3 years ago

Coward_Token

We might need to double check the Banshee ruling but I imagine that it would be a lot like the interactions available through Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Where if you phase out the tokens during combat then their triggered ability to exile at the end will never go to the stack meaning they wont exile but they will on your next combat step, unless you phase them out exactly when the ability is already on the stack in which case the ability will lose its target and fizzle and as you say, it only activates once. I am not a judge but I believe that is how the ruling would work on that.