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Scroll of Fate
Artifact
: Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up at any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
ksleazy on Crouching Kadena, Hidden Phage [MH3]
5 months ago
This deck looks super fun, nice job!
No room for Scroll of Fate? You can activate on others turns for extra draw, manifest non-morph cards you don't want/need for card draw, and the prospect of sneaking in a Phage face down then surprising someone seems pretty fun!
Slurpz on Crouching Kadena, Hidden Phage [MH3]
7 months ago
In the current iteration I'm just hardcasting Phage. I've experimented manifesting/cloaking with Scroll of Fate or Vannifar, Evolved Enigma for a sneak attack but you still need to pay the cost to flip Phage and you need to get the manifest in unblocked or risk Phage in combat. Ixidor, Reality Sculptor can cheat on flipping Phage but at this point IMO there are too many clunky pieces trying to come together to make a risky/inconsistent plan for a one shot work. I've tried to optimize for overall consistency and I found that the pieces here weren't fitting in well enough or bringing enough value to keep the strategy. I've considered changing the deck name for clarity but I haven't had the heart to yet lol. Thanks for the comment and upvote!
Mave on endles whispers edh
10 months ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
scotchtapedsleeves on Murders and Acquisitions (Marchesa Superiority)
1 year ago
Hey Ender, been a while! I'm still working hard on my Marchesa deck if you'd like to steal some ideas. As for my suggestions:
Hostage Taker is huge as it can steal artifacts.
Imperial Recruiter Can tutor for most cards in my deck, your creature's powers seem a bit higher.
Iron Apprentice is incredible
Thought Sponge is a fantastic draw engine. I find myself drawing 5+ cards each cycle if opponents don't deal with it
Thran Vigil Adds a +1/+1 counter to every creature that re-enters, protecting them immediately and allowing you to sac them.
Uncivil Unrest Does the same as above but for all creatures that enter, also a wincon
Reins of Power Is a favourite of mine against token players. Sac all your creatures to steal an opponents, then you have the option to sac them for a ton of mana with an Altar or get +1/+1 counters on them and sac them as soon as Marchesa reenters the battlefield in your end step.
Aetherworks Marvel has played fairly well
Scroll of Fate Lets you cheat out lands, enchantments and artifacts as Marchesa only checks the card type when it's on the battlefield
Last One Standing is hilarious, same with Saw in Half
Living Death is an incredible board wipe, especially if you sac all your stuff beforehand
I have over 100 cards in my maybeboard that I haven't gotten around to sorting out, but here are some standouts I'm looking to include.
Imposter Mech seems like it could be incredible. Once you get a +1/+1 counter on Marchesa you don't really want to attack with her, so you can use her to crew the mech each turn
Urborg Scavengers Is repeatable grave hate with some bonuses
Kardur, Doomscourge Is dirty
Fell Stinger is a reliable source of draw, can sacrifice itsself in a pinch
Body Launderer seems incredible. Card selection and recursion
scotchtapedsleeves on Murders and Acquisitions (Marchesa Superiority)
1 year ago
Hey Ender, been a while! I'm still working hard on my Marchesa deck if you'd like to steal some ideas. As for my suggestions:
Hostage Taker is huge as it can steal artifacts.
Imperial Recruiter Can tutor for most cards in my deck, your creature's powers seem a bit higher.
Iron Apprentice is incredible
Thought Sponge is a fantastic draw engine. I find myself drawing 5+ cards each cycle if opponents don't deal with it
Thran Vigil Adds a +1/+1 counter to every creature that re-enters, protecting them immediately and allowing you to sac them.
Uncivil Unrest Does the same as above but for all creatures that enter, also a wincon
Reins of Power Is a favourite of mine against token players. Sac all your creatures to steal an opponents, then you have the option to sac them for a ton of mana with an Altar or get +1/+1 counters on them and sac them as soon as Marchesa reenters the battlefield in your end step.
Aetherworks Marvel has played fairly well
Scroll of Fate Lets you cheat out lands, enchantments and artifacts as Marchesa only checks the card type when it's on the battlefield
Last One Standing is hilarious, same with Saw in Half
Living Death is an incredible board wipe, especially if you sac all your stuff beforehand
I have over 100 cards in my maybeboard that I haven't gotten around to sorting out, but here are some standouts I'm looking to include.
Imposter Mech seems like it could be incredible. Once you get a +1/+1 counter on Marchesa you don't really want to attack with her, so you can use her to crew the mech each turn
Urborg Scavengers Is repeatable grave hate with some bonuses
Kardur, Doomscourge Is dirty
Fell Stinger is a reliable source of draw, can sacrifice itsself in a pinch
Body Launderer seems incredible. Card selection and recursion
Anyway, that concludes my rant. Hope all is good with you!
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Crouching Kadena, Hidden Phage [~$20] edition
1 year ago
I mentioned this in the other list, but I'll throw this out there two since the card is budget. Scroll of Fate seems like a great addition. It's great with Kadena on it's own, but even better when that manifest creature just so happens to be Phage the Untouchable :).
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Crouching Kadena, Hidden Phage [MH3]
1 year ago
This is a pretty interesting Kadena build. Based on the deck name, I am surprised that Scroll of Fate isn't included here. Seems like a perfect way to sneak Phage onto the battlefield as "just another morph creature".
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