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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Modern Beyond Horizons | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Boldwyr Heavyweights
Creature — Giant Warrior
Trample
When Boldwyr Heavyweights enters the battlefield, each opponent may search his or her library for a creature card and put it into play. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.
Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation
1 month ago
It had not been implemented yet as I was asked to try and reduce some of the complexity. I don't think I succeeded.
Tutor:
"search your library for ... card..."
"searches their library for ... card..."
"may search their library for ... card..."
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... you may"
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... that card onto the battlefield under your control"
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has a period in it.
Exception: Any string that replaces the second elipses that starts with "s named" or " named" or " with the same name"
This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored. Note the lack of an inclusion of a period at the end for the first three.
All instances of the word "your" can be swapped for "target player" or "each player".
Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Emergent Ultimatum, Quiet Speculation, Tunnel Vision
Individual exceptions: AEther Searcher, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Hired Giant
Mass Land Denial:
"sacrifices ... lands"
"return ... lands to their owner's hands."
Exception: If the above ... has "two" or "three" in it for any of them.
"each player ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices the rest."
"lands don't untap"
"players can't untap ... land"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.
All instances of the word "land" dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped for "permanent".
"lands are (land subtype)."
All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word "sacrifices" can be swapped for "destroy" or "exile".
All instances of the word "player" can be swapped for "opponent".
A global expection for all Mass Land Denial is made if "nonland" is in any elipses.
Individual cards: Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Land Equilibrium, Limited Resources, Mana Breach, Mana Vortex, Overburden, Pox, Quicksilver Fountain, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin, Wake of Destruction, Ward of Bones, Words of Wind, World Queller
Individual exceptions: Hibernation, Scourglass
Nothing is case sensitive
Mave on
endles whispers edh
1 year ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
gavriel1136 on Idea for a deck, but …
3 years ago
I believe a simpler way to accomplish this is with cards such as Boldwyr Heavyweights, or Show and Tell and then some sort of Control Magic spell. Green, White, Blue, and Red have some cards like this. I'd advise Red and Blue in order to get good theft/exchange cards.
Balaam__ on Balaam__
3 years ago
DBCooper, quick question. I wanted to ask it here in case I’m way off base (I don’t need any extra embarrassment in my life, I do well enough ha).
Your Heavyweights deck looks like a great idea, but I’m worried it might not work the way you intend it to. You’ll need to cast Boldwyr Heavyweights yourself first, which will let the opponent put a free creature in play. But unless I’m mistaken (which is entirely possible), gifting it to the opponent with either Harmless Offering or Bazaar Trader won’t actually cause it to enter play again—it’ll just transfer existing control of the creature. So it won’t trigger the Heavyweights’ ETB text, meaning no free Emrakul. At least I think that’s how it works—by all means let me know if I’m wrong about that.
seshiro_of_the_orochi on Looking for efficiently large creatures
3 years ago
griffstick: It's one of these terrible cards that are pretty great once in a while.
Has anyone suggested Feldon of the Third Path, yet? Making an Impervious Greatwurm token to fling at someone's face seems pretty dope. Heart-Piercer Manticore is another good fling effect.
I did a quick search and found other fitting cards: Boldwyr Heavyweights, Cosmic Larva, Daemogoth Titan, Daemogoth Woe-Eater, Deep-Slumber Titan, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Phyrexian Soulgorger, Plague Reaver, Traxos, Scourge of Kroog
ClockworkSwordfish on
Burning Treason - $40 budget + sideboard swap
3 years ago
I find that Mark of Mutiny is the premiere choice for decks like this, since the +1/+1 counter will never be a drawback alongside Bazaar Trader or Fling. It would probably perform a little better than Traitorous Blood, for instance.
And if you're worried about creatureless decks, the ultimate answer to those is Boldwyr Heavyweights! Even if your opponent is merely creature-light, they ensure he'll provide something good for you to steal immediately after, eheheh.
Ataraxey on
Speak "friend" and Enter [PRIMER]
4 years ago
After playing this deck for the first time tonight, how do you deal with the negative ETB effects of Phyrexian Dreadnought , Eater of Days and Boldwyr Heavyweights when reanimating them? From reading the rules and discussing with friends, it appears if you end the turn to negative the ETB effects, the reanimate sacrifice will trigger on the next person's turn and sacrifice the creature.
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