Patron of the Vein
Creature — Vampire Shaman
When Patron of the Vein enters the battlefield, destroy target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, exile it and put a +1/+1 counter on each Vampire you control.
|Have (2)||metalmagic , Hardhitta7|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Patron of the Vein occurrence in decks from the last year
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Patron of the Vein Discussion
1 month ago
Butcher of Malakir although spendy cmc would be nice for when your tossing tokens, Captivating Vampire is another lord that would help synergy, Blood Baron of Vizkopa is a fun one so is Necropolis Regent and Paladin of Atonement. Grave hate others with Patron of the Vein while growing your horde. Bloodline Pretender may be worth a spot as well. Also Bastion of Remembrance would be good synergy for the death triggers.
1 month ago
Also you are missing some other good lords and tribal vamp stuff like Bloodline Keeper Flip Bloodlord of Vaasgoth Champion of Dusk Elenda, the Dusk Rose Falkenrath Gorger Forerunner of the Legion Indulgent Aristocrat Kalastria Highborn Legion Lieutenant Legion's Landing Flip Malakir Bloodwitch Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle New Blood Olivia, Mobilized for War Olivia's Bloodsworn Feast of Blood Patron of the Vein Sanctum Seeker Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord Stensia Banquet Stensia Masquerade Thirsting Bloodlord Urge to Feed Vampire Nocturnus Vampiric Fury
ok way more suggestions than I expected, but all good cards to consider! Obviously don't need all of them, it depends on your strategy and what you want to focus on. I would very highly recommend at least Bloodwitch, Mavren Fein, Sanctum Seeker, and probably Legion Lieutenant and Landing for good cheap value on the low end. There's a lot you can get into if you want to mess with madness strategies, or focus on lifegain type stuff and exsanguinate. Like typically you would run Cabal Coffers and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for an exsanguinate wincon, among other things. There are other Sorins you can dabble in if you want, but Imperious Bloodlord is probably the most value at 3 CMC and has strong synergy for straight vamp strategies.
3 months ago
- abby315 Thank you, that was very informative and extensive and i appreciate the effort.
I didn't know cards like Soul Shatter even existed and that will be of great use in the interest of utility, if thats what i need to add to this deck to round it out. I initially passed over Anowon, the Ruin Sage because of both his 5CMC and the fact i have a Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck that is essentially just forcing everyone to sacrifice their valued creatures when i sacrifice my 1/1 tokens, but i see how avoiding him leaves potential on the table. If i'm going to raise my curve (and i will!), Patron of the Vein seems like a strong contender as well.
I particularly liked "...You get outscaled. The changes I outlined above are also similar to what I did to turn Freyalise into a more streamlined Ezuri deck. You have to add a lategame. This is also why I recommend adding ramp to more reliably cast Edgar; he's an extremely powerful finisher with a board full of small vampires, and the deck relies on him for more than just 1/1s!"
It really asks me to change my perspective on how this deck is intended to thrive, and i think that will be key. I also appreciated that you made a specific list of which vampires to drop. Thank you!
King_marchesa Thank you for your input, though i find it odd you say i don't have enough white mana. I thought that would be the least common color in the deck and with Arcane Signet, Command Tower and a smattering of dual color lands, i would be OK. God-Eternal Bontu is a fantastic card, but im hesitant about sacrificing my tokens to reload my hand in this current version, probably because the deck is shaky as is. Hopefully once i raise the curve, and add removal, he will be a welcome addition.
Heliogabale Thank you. your input is particularly interesting because it seems to me like taking out Goblin Bombardment and Impact Tremors for cards like Cover of Darkness, Stensia Masquerade and Berserkers' Onslaught definitely changes the direction of the deck from forcible chip damage to favorable combat damage. I also greatly appreciate you linking your own deck as it not only lets me see a successful version of what i'd like, it also shows me other ways to make edgar markov work, and as an added bonus i get to vicariously get more advice from the suggestions on your own deck!
3 months ago
I have some thoughts about the overall gameplay, but I'll make some easy suggestions first:
Painful Truths > Read the Bones in a 3-color deck. Similarly, Mathas, Fiend Seeker is a great way to turn all of your removal into 2-for-1s, or can even draw you cards without spending any cards because it incentivizes your other player to remove things for you.
I agree with King_marchesa about cutting some vanilla vampires for ramp and removal. I noticed you said one of your players really likes hexproof creatures; spells like Soul Shatter and Crackling Doom will probably be better than spot removal like Utter End in that case. Anowon, the Ruin Sage is good for that, too, and Patron of the Vein is removal on a big-ol' Vampire stick!
Nighthawk Scavenger and Nullpriest of Oblivion will be good includes that are aggressive but also good in the lategame (this will be a theme in this comment). Olivia Voldaren is cheap and a good mana-sink to use the extra ramp you're putting in.
Bloodline Keeper Flip is a little on the expensive side at $9 but if you can get a copy, it'll be a great way to upgrade your army from 1/1s to evasive 2/2s, or 4/4s if he flips. Vampire Nocturnus is another good Lord in this vein. (Pun intended!) Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose can function as a damage-doubler using his activated ability.
Finally, Forerunner of the Legion is a great tutor that also gives +2/+2 to an attacker whenever you play a vampire, thanks to Eminence.
You'll notice that all of these suggestions will raise your curve. I think that's necessary to address the problems you're having. I started EDH running a Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury Elfball deck that had a similar goal: Make a lot of small Elves and run down one opponent. Ran into the same problems you have: You get outscaled. The changes I outlined above are also similar to what I did to turn Freyalise into a more streamlined Ezuri deck. You have to add a lategame. This is also why I recommend adding ramp to more reliably cast Edgar; he's an extremely powerful finisher with a board full of small vampires, and the deck relies on him for more than just 1/1s!
That's why most of my changes encourage you to add more removal and ways to buff your board with stronger creatures. This is the great thing about Edgar: you don't need to focus on making an army of small vampires, because he does that for you! Instead, you can play vampires that buff and help your other vampire tokens.
So, I'd recommend making swaps for the following low-drop creatures that aren't evasive/strong and don't do anything for your board besides being a vampire to trigger Edgar (which most of the above suggestions also do):
And also Goblin Bombardment, which I don't think is a good rate for what it does.
Add some more Vampire lords where you can get them (many of the above are just $1-2), removal, and ramp. You should find that instead of getting a hand with 2-3 lands and all 1-2 drops, you'll start finding a hand with something to do on every turn as you work up towards Edgar. I hope that helps!
4 months ago
TheSilence91: I'd like to clarify a small thing -- I never intend to pay 7 mana for Scholar of the Ages (unless I happen to already have Songs of the Damned in hand); she's only there to facilitate reanimation loops which ignore her mana cost. And she does that job very very well :)
4 months ago
I am also in the process of brewing Araumi and found one or two cards that i will definitely include. I agree with SynergyBuild on Scholar of the Ages. The effect is strong but too slow for the investment of 7 Mana. I don't like to run tutors, so i have less instants and sorceries so i also don't run Archaeomancer but i think i would also run it in your version. Since you are not going the path of keeping your tokens creatures with death triggers (Keiga, the Tide Star, Kokusho, the Evening Star) could be an option. Doomwake Giant give all opponents creatures -9/-9. Patron of the Vein destroys tree creatures and leaves you with tree 13/13 flyers. And like Cloud of Faeries and Peregrine Drake, Priest of Gix can give you a manaboost. Deranged Assistant Mills and ramps you.
6 months ago
I definitely feel that cards like Feast of Blood, New Blood, Patron of the Vein, and Gray Merchant of Asphodel would definitely work well in here. Also, I would definitely run Cabal Coffers and Cabal Stronghold in any mono black list. Culling the Weak and Dark Ritual would probably work well for you, too.
9 months ago
Hey, nice budget version of Edgar. I like that you included the combo.
An area to look to improve is the manabase. 15x combined Plains and Mountain basic lands is a lot when your deck is primary black. You want black mana more than any other in the early game which Swamps help with, but Plains and Mountains don't. Consider more dual lands that can make white and red mana as well as black? You want most of the dual lands to be able to make black mana because you need black mana the most.
The manabase is budget, Tower and Check lands are good, but even on a budget there's lands to consider adding:
- Unclaimed Territory
- Exotic Orchard
- Caves of Koilos
- Battlefield Forge
- Tainted Field
- Tainted Peak
- Smoldering Marsh
Some upgrades to consider:
Knight of the Ebon Legion > Bloodsworn Steward
One drop > four drop. Less mana cost cards that are should be considered to be cut because is difficult to make with this manabase for a four drop. Edgar already has haste.
Shadow Alley Denizen > Stromkirk Noble
Noble is not worth it because consistently you will not have red mana turn one, but you will have black. Denizen is same price and can give other Vamps or itself evasion when Vamps ETB or Vamp tokens are created.
Dolmen Gate > Ferocity of the Wilds
Gate is excellent with Drana and other attacking Vamps since your attacking Vamps don't receive combat damage thus they can't die from combat damage, but if blocked they do combat damage to blocking creatures.
Living Death > Bloodline Necromancer
Bloodline can reanimate one Vamp; Living could reanimate a lot more. Living is mass sac of creatures for all players and then mass reanimation of the creatures that were in graveyards before the ones that were saced. It can help to recover and for five mana it can recover a lot.
Good luck with your deck.