Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose
Legendary Creature — Vampire Cleric
Whenever you gain life, target opponent loses that much life.
: Creatures you control gain lifelink until end of turn.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose Discussion
1 week ago
Hi Boki92! I personally wouldn't take this deck to a more casual setting, so it would be a good call removing some of those things. If you wanted to play a version of this by taking out some on the instant win combo's, you can lean more into the lifegain aspect and drain your opponent's like that. Cards like Cliffhaven Vampire and Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose can help achieve that goal. Some more reanimation cards could also benefit it, maybe adding Sun Titan back in to recur low cmc cards. If countering spells is frowned upon, you can add more creature/artifact/enchantment removal if you want to keep the control aspect. You can definitely play around with the list by taking out the cards your group finds problematic and see what cards you like as replacements.
2 weeks ago
I thought about that one, and I think it has potential. I never playtested with it but I think Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose might be more fun? Not sure. The valkyrie is probably more impactful
1 month ago
I understand I have no black lands but Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose isn't necessary for the win and I hardly ever get him.
1 month ago
Aesthetically it is a cool place. Basing it on a broad historical topic is really beneficial, and creates a bigger variety than most planes. Compare to Innistrad or Amonkhet, which are inspired by times and places both very specific and localized. Ixalan, borrowing the age of empire and exploration, has a lot more themes and factions that it can cover and expand on. Already we have 4 great ones: pirates, conquistador vampires, and two south/central American-inspired civilizations, one more mystical, one more militant. It's all so cool. Whoever thought of conquistador vampires should get a raise.
What's really cool is where we could go from here. How will Elenda, the Dusk Rose's new view on the vampire religion shake up their faith? If Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose is any indication, there will be some conflict. How will the return of their saint upset the balance of power in the vampire empire? I'd imagine the royal hierarchy will be threatened by the return of the long-dead saint.
Are the pirates just gonna float around forever, or are they gonna attempt to recapture their homeland as the vampire society decends into a civil war? Or will the merfolk ask them for help against the expanding sun empire?
I'd like to see the sun empire fleshed out a bit. Who are their leaders? What is their culture besides dino riding? How do we represent in magic the poetry side of their warrior-poet obsession? Will the dinosaurs stay with them forever? What else can we do with dinosuars?
Can we create an analog for the British empire? Look at Dockside Extortionist and just tell me you don't want to see RW goblin British empire. With their little goblin east-India trading co. OMG.
What can magic do to represent french trading in North America? Or magics version of North Amerindian culture in this period? The possibilities are endless. And I can't wait.
1 month ago
hey man I like the idea of doing challenging decks! You couldn't go wrong here with Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose, as a one-off at least. Temporal Extortion is one of my favorite cards, and although mana intensive, the pay off is very good. You can even use it on yourself to strenghten Shadow. I would change Sovereign's bite with Bump in the Night and change the Bedevil for Claim / Fame, Terminate or Fatal Push and move the artifact hate to the sideboard with more efficient cards for that purpose. Something unexpected like Claim the Firstborn or Wrangle might be fun to try here too
2 months ago
I agree with wallisface on the first and last points. Four life is nothing in cmdr phyrexian mana is basically a built in cost reduction for us. The activated ability costs too much to be worth using.
I think “ Neraaz, the Venomous deals 1 damage to target creature” is sufficient since it’s triggered ability doesn’t care about how many counters just how many instances of counters.
I do like the triggered ability although life gain isn’t big in rakdos as it is actually quite the opposite I think it brings something new to the table. This would allow you to use cards like Sanguine Bond and Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Also, if you're willing to break your theme for one card, something like Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose, Dina, Soul Steeper, or Defiant Bloodlord could weaponize those little bits of life gain you have throughout. Sanguine Bond also works, but having it on a creature helps with stuff like Lurking Predators.