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slashdotdash on Golos attempt II

6 days ago

Hey there Kronhamilton,

First of all, I like the improvements you’ve made to your deck. It’s already looking a lot slicker and I can see you’ve made some very fun looking changes to how the deck plays.

You’ve got a nice array of threats (I always love to see the Bringers and Ur-Dragon) and a decent amount of ramp which are both a big plus. Additionally, you’ve got the beginnings of some nasty graveyard synergy shaping up, which looks really, really cool as a sort of plan B.

That being said, I’d like to make a few suggestions to help guide you toward a more consistent and powerful Golos deck. Please remember that these suggestions are just my informed opinion, and that I totally respect whatever deck choices you decide to make. I really just want to help you get comfortable with deck building and learning what to look for in a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ card.

Broad Suggestions

I would encourage you to add 2 Lands, 3 Removal cards, and 8 Draw cards. I’d also think about adding 2 more Ramp cards, but that is less critical to the overall health of the deck. Your Threats look great and I think your Sweepers are also appropriate. Anything that synergizes with your graveyard backup plan is great.

There are a couple of things to think about as you play this deck; 1. “Am I happy or sad to be holding this card in my hand or drawing it off the top of my deck?” – If a card seems to constantly be ‘the wrong card’ for the situation, or you can never seem to cast it, or you always play other cards instead, or you tend to die while holding a certain card, then you probably want to think about how well that card fits in your deck and whether or not you should cut it or modify the deck to support it. 2. “What ongoing advantage does this card give me?” – Some cards seem like a decent card based on having decent power/toughness, a fair cost, and some neat keywords or abilities. Just having those upsides alone though doesn’t make a card truly powerful. Instead, try to think about what ways a card can synergize with your deck to create crazy effects or otherwise how it will become more dangerous as the game progresses (like a Quartzwood Crasher, Scute Swarm, or Giant Adephage). Additionally, try to find cards that do multiple things such as Chasm Skulker which gets bigger when you draw cards and also explodes into tokens when it dies, or even Ravenous Chupacabra which deals with a threat and also acts as a blocker when you are facing pressure. The key is finding a way to levarage the most amount of value in each individual card – even a 2 mana ramp spell will set you up to play all of your future spells 1 turn earlier than normal for the rest of the game, which can be an insane advantage when you think about it. 3. “Am I out of options?” – If you can’t seem to find a solution to a problem or you’re ‘running out of steam’, then it is likely that you need more card draw and more ways to create ‘engines’ that accrue value. An example of an engine would be Fertilid + Evolution Sage or Rampaging Baloths + Elemental Bond or Kruphix, God of Horizons + Victory Chimes or Atraxa, Praetors' Voice + Ajani, the Greathearted or Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead or Search for Azcanta  ^Flip or Deadbridge Chant or Mind Unbound, etc.

Ramp

Your ramp looks pretty good with 10 dedicated Ramp cards. I’d suggest adding 2 more Ramp spells to really help speed things up early. Examples would be Kodama's Reach, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Springbloom Druid, etc.

Ramp - 10

• Fertilid

• Palladium Myr

• Solemn Simulacrum

• Cultivate

• Arcane Signet

• Commander's Sphere

• Ketria Crystal

• Raugrin Crystal

• Savai Crystal

• Sol Ring

Not Ramp

• Azusa, Lost but Seeking - you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability.

• Empowered Autogenerator – this card is vastly too slow to be considered a true Ramp card. At best I would call it a ‘Ramp Support’ card, because it is there to slowly help you in the late game, not propel you in the early game like a true Ramp card (Rampant Growth, Farseek, Fertile Ground, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth)

Draw

Overall, I think your card draw package needs a little bit of love. I want to note I see a lot of ‘looting’ effects like the ones on Teferi, Master of Time or Obsessive Stitcher and while these cards are great for a graveyard strategy they still don’t count as card draw. I’d keep most of these ‘looting’ type cards, but try to find cards that get you about 2 or 3 cards such as Harmonize, Concentrate, Escape to the Wilds, Urban Evolution, Moldervine Reclamation, Deathreap Ritual, Recurring Insight, Mind Unbound, Underworld Connections, Cloudblazer, Mulldrifter, Drawn from Dreams, Return of the Wildspeaker, Harvester of Souls, Momentous Fall, Dream Trawler, Keeper of Fables etc.

Draw - 2

• Bringer of the Blue Dawn (nice)

• Reconnaissance Mission

Not Draw

• Barrin, Tolarian Archmage – drawing 1 card does not really count. If anything, Barrin is like slow, bad removal for dealing with your opponents’ stuff temporarily. If you’re interested in reusing Golos’s land finding ability I would recommend playing Soulherder instead.

• Solemn Simulacrum – He has sort of ‘incidental value’ with his death trigger but doesn’t actively net you a bunch of cards like Keruga, the Macrosage or Beast Whisperer. Sad Robot is still great though.

• Titanoth Rex – still keep this guy because he is a threat that isn’t dead in your hand on turn 5.

• Void Beckoner – same story as the Rex

• Teferi, Master of Time – Teferi’s great, but he is really at his best when you’ve got 4-7 card in hand so that you can throw a bunch of big threats to the graveyard and hopefully draw a reanimation spell. Other than that, Teferi isn’t going to refill your hand so he doesn’t count as true draw.

Removal

Your removal package looks like it needs a couple more additions to keep your deck responsive and able to handle imminent-doom type threats. It is worth noting that cards like Blatant Thievery or Mythos of Illuna can save you in certain situations, but be wary of their crazy mana costs and the fact that they are not instant-speed answers. Examples include Mythos of Nethroi, Beast Within, Price of Fame, Reality Shift, Terminate, Return to Nature, Putrefy, Utter End, Eat to Extinction, Murderous Rider, etc.

Removal – 4 (aim for 7)

• Mortify

• Despark

• Barrier Breach

• Disenchant

Cuts

There are several cards that I would consider cutting first when modifying the deck.

• Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast - he relies very heavily on luck and only interacts with creatures. This makes him good with only 30% of your deck. Additionally, Lukka can’t ‘protect’ himself like Garruk can (making tokens to block for him), nor does he have an immediately accessible removal ability like Teferi. Overall, Lukka is interesting but a little lacking in consistency, defensibility, and power.

Azusa, Lost but Seeking – you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability. Yes, you can use the double lands (like Gruul Turf) to bounce a land to hand and then play that land with Asuza, but realistically that’s such a narrow and relatively tame synergy (in this non-landfall deck, that is) that you would be better off playing a Farseek or a Rampant Growth or even a Fertile Ground.

• Sparkhunter Masticore - This little fellow has a major drawback and no seriously crazy abilities that make him worthwhile. Yes he can deal with planeswalkers, but so can a Murderous Rider or an Eat to Extinction. Yes he can be an indestructible 3/4, but you have to pay 3 mana just to make him indestructible. Under normal circumstances that’s 6 mana for a 3/4 that dodges death one time - a 3/4 just isn’t fantastic. The biggest bad news about this robocat is its “additional cost to cast” ability which means that even if you hit it with Golos’s ‘Rainbow Wheel of Death’ ability, you still have to discard a card for a 3/4. I just honestly think you’d rather have a removal spell (Beast Within, Mythos of Nethroi) instead of this cat any day.

• Pursued Whale - While this whale is kinda cool and he does force combat, he is just sorta expensive for what he does. 7 mana for an 8/8 is pretty standard and giving your opponents tokens (that they could just attack you with or sacrifice to an effect) can be a bad idea in some situations, such as when they have an Beastmaster Ascension or a similar effect on the field. While his semi-hexproof ability (3 more mana to target) seems nifty, that is one of the only really powerful highlight abilities of this card, meaning that ability is protecting a relatively low-powered card. A couple immediate alternatives come to mind for me; Geode Rager to force combat AND keep you safe, and Dream Trawler for a flying, hexproof, lifelinking, card drawing threat.

• Renata, Called to the Hunt - She just isn’t fantastic. You aren’t playing a devotion centric deck in which she might become a 10/10, and your strategy doesn’t really care about 1/1 counters either. I would consider replacing her with a Harmonize or another 3 or 4 drop with more impactful abilities. Heck, even another reanimation spell could be nice like Unburial Rites or Grave Upheaval since your deck seems to have some tendency to but things in the graveyard for later.

• Lorescale Coatl - Cards like this (or his bigger cousin Chasm Skulker) are really designed for “wheel decks” that play “wheel effects” like Windfall or Reforge the Soul. He is fine, but really not much better than that. If you want a threat that can grow faster and do more important things, try Managorger Hydra or even Scute Mob.

• Colossification - This aura is too expensive, taps your creature down, and worst of all is an aura. Auras are generally quite bad because your opponent can destroy your creature and the aura attached to them with one spell – and odds are they’ll do that because it is usually too juicy not to. The fact that you can’t attach Colossification and attack immediately means that your opponents will have a full turn to deal with it before you get a chance to use it (and keep in mind your Colossified creature needs to survive 3 opponents’ turns!). This means you’ll most likely run out of cards in a hurry without accomplishing anything.

• Door to Nothingness - Unlike Progenitus, you can’t reanimate the Door, nor can you get its full value off of the Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only time this card does anything at all is when you literally have 10 mana of the exact color combination necessary to use it. It’s still your call, and I know some people make it a goal to Door their opponents, but be warned: you probably don’t have as much ramp as you need to make this work well. I’d consider supporting this crazy cards (and your many expensive threats for that matter) with a few more ramp spells – Boundless Realms, Migration Path, Circuitous Route, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, Zendikar Resurgent

• Azor's Gateway  ^Flip – This card belongs in a very specific variant of Golos. That variant is the Minamo, School at Water's Edge Golos deck which also runs stuff like Vizier of Tumbling Sands, Fatestitcher, Kiora's Follower, and other payoffs like Jegantha, the Wellspring, or Captain Sisay. Especially considering that Sanctum of the Sun (the flip side) adds X mana of only 1 color, I think this card is just rarely going to work like you want it to unfortunately.

• Lathliss, Dragon Queen - Basically, you only have 3 other dragons in the deck so I would either exchange a bunch of cards for more dragons or cut Lathliss, since she will rarely be able to use her best ability (5/5 tokens). Keep in mind, you could also run a bunch of cards with the ‘changeling’ keyword if you wanted to get really funky, in which case you may as well also play stuff like Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, Reaper King, Crested Sunmare, The First Sliver but that’s a very slippery and insane slope that I’m not sure you want to get sucked into.

Summary

Nice changes Kronhamilton, I can see that your deck is really starting to shape up as a rampy graveyard-mingling Golos deck, and that’s really cool. I encourage you to try and pay attention to what situations you find yourself in, as that’s often the best way to tell what cards you need to cut or add to the deck for it to work best. As a default, I’d consider making a few of the changes I mentioned in the Broad Suggestion section, as those changes should just generally help with your deck’s consistency.

Please do let me know how you decide to tune your deck – it’s really fun to watch honestly, and I’m always down to help advise you. Other than that, take care and enjoy Golos!

Best,

-Slashdotdash

ellie-is on Kykar's Tokens & Cantrips

1 week ago

Peoni: Totally agree, there are never enough card slots!!! It's so much easier on Modern despite you only getting 60 cards, because in the end you're only picking 10-20 cards of the best cards you can find and running 4x on most of them. Here you run out of absolute bests really fast, and then filling all those other slots gets real tricky because so many cards seem like they could be there!!!

I have now made all the changes we've talked about, including replacing 3 blue cantrips for red ones. I also added Disenchant instead of Wear for two reasons: it can be tutored with Muddle the Mixture, and because I've been holding this promo Disenchant for YEARS, got it as a gift and never had a reason to use it because there's rarely a situation when you'd rather run it over something else. But the situation is now here!

Also replaced Fireball with Banefire because uncounterability is great, especially if I'm sacrificing most my creatures for mana before casting it, lol.

As you said, this is pretty much done now! From now on it's just tweaks and playtesting. There are some maybeboard cards I'd like to see if I can slot in, but deciding which cards I can take out is something I'm gonna have to do after playing with the deck and getting more of a feel for it :)

Thank you SO much for the help, it was incredible having someone to help me with this. I'm gonna sit on the deck for a month or so (I like to make sure the cardboard rectangles I buy are the ones I really want before spending a couple hundred bucks on them lol), but I can't wait to own this and give EDH a try for the first time! I hear people have been playing paper matches online via webcam lately and it should be fun trying that out.

StopShot on OVERplayed cards?

2 weeks ago

I’m shook. Fragmentize is overplayed? I’m the only one I know who seriously uses Fragmentize in my play circles. Fragmentize I would agreed if it wasn’t for the fact that cheap mono-white artifact-enchantment removal is so limited. If I was playing Green I would agree that Fragmentize is too niche, but if you’re playing semi-competitively without green then your best cheap answers are Disenchant, Seal of Cleansing, Revoke Existence and Fragmentize. That’s an efficient removal spell every 1 in 25 cards. Only if Wizards printed two more functional copies of Disenchant would I then start considering to axe my Fragmentize. Good removal should be cheaper than the threats you’re trying to remove with it and I’m not going to be running any Forsake the Worldly just to remove a 1-mana graveyard-hate card. Not hitting a Conjurer's Closet sucks, but there are many other cards I’d rather remove first before the Closet and all of those more pressing cards happen to be CMC four or less.

zAzen7977 on extraterrestrials

4 weeks ago

Hey RipGut-Gway, your deck looks interesting, back in the day I had a sliver deck and it was a lot of fun. I second Balaam__. I think the deck is strong fundamentally but needs more removal/opponent interaction. Since you are white dominant, I suggest a full set of Path to Exile instead of Adaptive Automaton, which seems like overkill in this build, or instead of a few white protection spells. Plus I think your sideboard could use some artifact/enchantment hate Disenchant or Revoke Existence, some way to deal with graveyard decks (Rest in Peace, Surgical Extraction), some way to deal with Tron/Ramp/Storm (Damping Sphere), and maybe even defense against burn/discard (Leyline of Sanctity). Another option is Aether Vial to pump out free slivers by turn 2.

MagicMarc on Colorless/Blue Artifact Deck Help!

1 month ago

You need to decide what you want the deck to do before you can start cutting cards. Without knowing your build goal, you will not be able to know where to cut.

What do you wan this deck to do? Examples/ideas:

Is this deck mainly aggro? then keep the big monsters and the ramp. Cut the little creatures that are not mana dorks or cost reduction.
Is this deck mid-range good stuff? then cut creatures until you get 14-18, And add interaction cards to stop or negate your opponent's plays.
Is this a combo deck of some kind? For example; Is it built around Icy Manipulator + Voltaic Key for it's control? then get rid of the other stuff that is not part of that game plan.
Or is it going to cheat stuff out with Amulet and bridge? Then get rid of the icys and keys and focus on cheating big fat bombs out early.
Is it a toolbox deck? then cut your bombs and strong cards to 1 copy each and add more tutors to the deck.
These are just a tiny sample of archetypes, I am just showing how you can decide what kind of deck this is. Once you do, a lot of the cuts may become obvious depending on what you want for the deck.

But there are some cuts you should do no matter what goal you have:

-3 Fabricate (You already have 4 tinkers and 2 tezzerets), -1 Black Vise (Without support for it only 1 copy of this is just an annoyance when it shows up in your hand or is in play), -1 Paradox Engine (This is a freaking amazing card but it does not do a lot for this particular deck) , -1 Winter Orb (Like vise, without support it is not that useful with 1 copy), -1 Colossus of Akros (You have better big bombs already), -4 Etched Champion (this is a vanilla 2/2 most of the time and is probably the worst creature in your list), -4 Ornithopter (These are okay with the other cards in your deck but you will ramp into big stuff so fast they are just not too useful), -4 Welding Jar (at the very least cut it down to 2 since it synergizes with Academy Ruins. But Academy Ruins, Tinker, and Tezzeret the Seeker do the same thing kind of as this already. Id cut all of them to the maybeboard and see how it plays).
In a vacuum, none of these cards are bad by themselves. But none of these cards help you reach your goals for the deck. And only having 1 of something has a very low chance of seeing play. So if it does see play, it needs to do big things for you.

For your lands, they are another resource for the deck. So I would suggest filling in your land base with support cards. Stuff like;

+3 Buried Ruin (if you dont want to get more academy ruins), +2 Rogue's Passage (they don't hurt and can let you win off the back of one of your big creatures), +2 Arch of Orazca (really, slots of any land that gives card advantage), +5 more Islands or so, whatever gets you to 20-22 lands. If you dont want any of the other non-island cards, just add islands.

Your deck has very little interaction and I would suggest adding some to the deck. There are hundreds of options but I would look to add stuff that is similar to any of the following cards:

Spine of Ish Sah, Unstable Obelisk, or Meteor Golem. These cards synergize with academy ruins and buried ruin and can be Tinker targets when you need them. Just 1 or 2 copies of cards like these in the deck you can tutor for. Once you bring one of them online, you can keep bringing them back repeatedly to destroy your opponent's game state.

Then you need instant speed answers you can use to respond to what your opponent's do. Interaction is important and you will lose games just because you didnt have a Disenchant in your hand. Add copies of stuff like Scour from Existence, Titan's Presence, Not of This World or even repeatable stuff like Capsize or similar.

tl;dr
I am not saying you have to do any of the things I suggested. But you do need to decide what you want to do with the deck, cut cards, and add land and add interaction to the deck or it may just stay a hot mess like it is now.

Poseidon31 on Mardu Reanimator

1 month ago

Damping Sphere against Tron and Storm. Fulminator Mage against Tron and other Decks with special lands, like an Azcanta. Infernal Reckoning against tron or Eldrazi. Pithing Needle or Murderous Rider against Planeswalker heavy decks. Nihil Spellbomb against Dredge or just for grave hate. Ashiok, Dream Render for grave hate. Damping Matrix against Affintiy/Eggs. Dash Hopes for surprise Counter Magic (I Like this alot, espacially in aggro styled decks). Spellskite against Burn, Boggles or Infect. Abrade against Artifacts. Disenchant against Artifacts and Enchantments. Leave No Trace against Enchantments. Kambal, Consul of Allocation against Burn or Control. Collective Brutality against Burn or Control. Rakdos Charm against creature heavy decks like Elfes or Tokens or Artifacts or for grave hate. Wear / Tear against Artifacts or Enchantments. Crumble to Dust Against Tron.

Depends on your meta, what decks you want to side against and what do you need in addition to your main 60. Which Match ups are bad for you and ho to play against that. I play the following Sideboard in my Mardu Vehicle Deck: 1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance 1x Collective Brutality 3x Duress 2x Kambal, Consul of Allocation 1x Nahiri, the Harbinger 2x Nihil Spellbomb 1x Rakdos Charm 1x Settle the Wreckage 2x Wear 1x Wrath of God

Mj3913 on Maro teases about upcoming Zendikar …

1 month ago

DemonDragonJ when black enchants something it typically is a negative effect, like a curse. Therefore, if one can curse something you would think they could also decurse (disenchant). Theoretically it makes sense, not in a prominent fashion as it's tertiary (G/W being basically tied), but anything made non restrictive or restrictive lite (I.e. a black Disenchant would most likely find itself in the sideboards of 60 card formats. I have my doubts that this effect will be found at any less than a Rare level, but could be wrong.

TheMadRocketeer on I hope he didn't die of anything catching, eh?

1 month ago

Epicurus: Thanks for the nice and very well thought out posting. As you can see, I've not looked at this deck in some time and never considered it quite finished. You've pointed out a number of places where I've found it clunky in actual play, so I'd say your analysis is spot on. And, in fact, it does need a major overhaul, so I'll be using your comments as a template for the rebuild when I get back to this one.

I wish I had either Idyllic Tutor or Enlightened Tutor. They'd be perfect here and also in a new deck I just put together but haven't entered or tested yet. The new one is an attempt at a Life Gain deck. Nothing in it is just life gain, though. It's all incidental life gain, plus things that trigger and do good things when life is gained (e.g. Angelic Accord) or let you spend life for value (e.g. Greed). It's B/W like this one, so there may even be a crossover that could be fun.

Totally agreed about High Priest of Penance. It shuld either come out or go up to 3-of or 4-of and be better supported. Maybe 4-of Indestructibility (4 CMC, though) or Shielded by Faith. Might need more land to do that.

The idea I was going for with Lifelink was to replace what I lose to Pestilence and any hits from critters that survive it. Drain Life was to gain a bit of life but mostly to kill stuff that's too big to comfortably kill with Pestilence.

Good points on the creatures with WW costs too. I'd have to go shopping for a Blood Baron of Vizkopa, but it looks well worth it.

Pretty sure I don't have a Vindicate, but I have plenty Disenchant and 1 Mortify.

On the lands, I don't yet have any of the suggested ones. And they're all really good. Curious about the sugestion of removing Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth. Is that so I don't somehow benefit an opponent? Otherwise, it's just a Swamp with an upside for me. Still, if I had the suggested lands and everything made black mana, I wouldn't need the Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.

Such good suggestions. Pure gold from start to finish. Thanks!