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Mental Misstep Discussion
10 hours ago
This runs too many lands. With your average cost you should cut 3 or 4 of them. You should invest in better artifact ramp: Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Crypt, and/or Mana Vault. You should also look a Carpet of Flowers. Furthermore, his deck isn't utilizing anywhere near enough countermagic. Try including: Force of Will, Mana Drain, Swan Song, Mental Misstep and/or Delay.
1 week ago
michaelvdhout Carpet checks nonbasics with the island land type, Hushwing Gryff affects ETB's, not cast triggers like Paradox Engine, Ethersworn Canonist shuts down 14 out of the 18 tier 1 lists's combos, as long as it sticks.
I will admit, the list thaqt is up there isn't my favorite, and I have argued repeatedly with biopouvoir over some of the card choices, but respect the list there enough to understand its power level. It is very good, not as you state. My personal list is Sisay Primer (Stax-Combo), it explains all of the card choices and even how to play the deck.
I'll admit you are right, Kess can be a bit of a glass cannon, and even with all of the great interaction, when your Chain of Vapor gets Mental Misstepped as they draw their card off of a cantrip on an empty library and a Laboratory Maniac, all off of a Demonic Consultation and Kess, Dissident Mage turn 3, with no one else having up a removal spell, the deck wins.
It wins off of speed and consistency of combo alone, and though like you, I was suspicious of it in comparison to its Grixis Twin counterpart, I played against it multiple times, and was sometimes thoroughly crushed, It is just a really fast deck at what it does, and unlike some decks, it gets its combo, it isn't a maybe, it will get it. (I mean technically it is a maybe, but the deck runs so much to get the combo, and has such a stupidly good commander for the job it almost always has the combo.)
Also, there are two decks located under Kess, of which are Consulation, the deck you complained about, but also a really efficient Kess Storm deck. I like both, but Kess Storm is actually my favorite, despite me thinking it to be worse than Consultation in terms of consistency, however Dark Ritualing, then recasting it from the graveyard to get 5 black on turn 4, after you cast Kess, Dissident Mage off of a 2 CMC Rock, previously countering spells and/or removing stuff, then casting an Ad Nauseam, winning the game off of a 5 mana draw 30 or something stupid xD. It is great.
Also, asking others to do research for you, when you haven't done a ton is a little rude.
2 weeks ago
Yes, I apologize, I think you misunderstand. I said I was upset over your previous comment on the Tier list, not that I was upset at you. Semantics.
You don't run Mental Misstep, a cEDH staple, Blink of an Eye, a second Into the Roil, Snapcaster Mage, a classic that though Mission Briefing beats, I think would be better with both, Arbor Elf, Priest of Titania, and Boreal Druid for more mana, with Bloom Tender & Devoted Druid as other possible additions.
Gitaxian Probe, a free cast on your turn, Rapid Hybridization, a second Pongify, Repeal (I am a personal fan of this, bouncing Mox Diamonds and Chrome Moxs to make them use another card and I replace mine is really nice, while triggering Rashmi.), High Tide to make more mana, Enter the Infinite, the best wincon in this list, Sapphire Medallion, a huge boon to this deck, giving you tons of mana, and Unsubstantiate as another counterspell that has a lot of versatility.
I'd also drop Spell Snare
3 weeks ago
while everyone is trying to cut dead cards, calculate the average mana cost of a deck, count the number of counter/removal/protection i thought i want to look at another strenght about decks.
this is a view only about how much density there is in decks to find quick 2 card combos. the bigger the web between soft tutors in addition to hard tutors and overlapping combopieces the more opportunities will arise on average through all games you play.
but one can visualize this web and count the numbers to see a decks combo opportunity.
call it useless i had a moment free and did this anyway XD
- 1st 3-6-5 -> 8-11
- 2nd 5-2-5 -> 10-7
- 3rd 5-2-5 -> 10-7
- 4th 5-5-5 -> 10-10
- 5th 5-10-5 -> 10-15
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 108 | 186 COMMENTS | 66785 VIEWS | IN 94 FOLDERS
summoning sickness opportunity combo
super secret tech 2 card combo
tymna + ramp = good topdecks because of the "restricted" tutors
tutor chains can get you anything you desire. not fast but extending the tutor reach for all combos by quite a bit.
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 9 | 6 COMMENTS | 2139 VIEWS | IN 9 FOLDERS
shuffle hulk conclusion
- primary 4-3-9 -> 13-12
- secondary 3-5-5 -> 8-10
- tertiary 2-4-7 -> 9-11
survival is a little sloppy at combo No.3 as it can be a one card wincon.
- extra: flash hulk is instant speed here!
2 more decks
- FCP 11-22 & 6-9
- Shaper Taint 10-11 & 8-11
3 weeks ago
Barbola I would say just win faster or try to destroy the ramp Narset needs to be cast that early t1/2 seems pretty unrealistic, at least not consistently. Meltdown can ruin a fast start pretty easily because the used rocks must all be cmc 0-1 so you just spend 2 mana and destroy all the acceleration. Mental Misstep is also important against such decks and Manglehorn is also strong, if cast early enough (t2 with a dork or maybe even with mana crypt on t1). Another option is to counter the most important spell(s) Narset reveals because then the whole table gains more time. usually it's in everyone's interest to prevent Narset from casting big stuff for free, so you shouldn't be alone there. This deck can exploit such a situation easily and force the opponents to deal with the visible threat while you collect the cards in hand that win the game for you.
1 month ago
Hey Aaerys, I used to run a Sen Triplets EDH deck also back in the day. Here is some insight which I hope you will find hopeful.
A couple questions, what is the budget are you working with? What is your main goal when you play with this deck? (Is it to control the game, deny resources, or stall until you combo?) What is the your playgroup level like?
Based on what you said your issues were while playing the deck, off the top of my head is to run more tutors, i.e. Demonic Tutor, Beseech the Queen, Vampiric Tutor (As you listed in your side board), Imperial Seal. You are in Esper colors which allows for optimal control of the boardstate.
To also answer your question you posted in your deck description, I would agree in turning it to a more control piece shell with more interaction. Cut out all unnecessary dead cards and add in cards such as Path to Exile, Delay, Mana Drain, Flusterstorm, Silence, Pact of Negation, Force of Will, Chain of Vapor, Mental Misstep, Swan Song. Ramp package is also quite vital for a control Sen Triplet shell, you should run almost all efficient 2 cmc and less rocks.
Some cards for ramp, Dimir Signet, Orzhov Signet, Azorius Signet, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Lotus Petal, Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, if you have the budget Mox Diamond, Mox Opal, or Grim Monolith.
If you have any other questions to help refining deck, I'll be happy to help!
1 month ago
Hey, I saw that you were looking for advice and there are a couple things that I could recommend. I'll go over a couple things, but I'll start off with the manabase since you said it was the thing you were looking to change most. Also, it's a bit long, but it should help you for what kind of a manabase makes a competitive one.
First off, there are several good replacements for duals, first and foremost being shocks, but since it looks like you already have those looks like you're already half way there.
Basically I would focus on removing any and all lands that come in tapped, because if you want your deck to be competitive, you need to be sure that every turn you take is as optimized as possible. A turn where you could be doing two manas worth of stuff you are only doing 1 manas worth of stuff which essentially means you are playing a turn behind. It's a bit of a simplistic way of explaining it, but that is the best explanation why without going into too much detail. Other lands I would highly recommend, firstly, are the pain lands. These are very effective replacements as well. ( Sulfurous Springs, Underground River and Shivan Reef ) find homes in many competitive decklists you will find. The filter lands are pretty good replacements as well, as they get you the colors you need with added fixing. They only issue is that the t1 plays they provide can be kind of awkward, but should only be really taken into consideration the faster and faster your deck is; In your case they should be a good fit though! They are Sunken Ruins, Graven Cairns and Cascade Bluffs. Also, it may seem weird, but adding every kind of fetch that can even get you one of your colors effectively gives you access to all the colors you could need! You could run all 9 fetches besides Windswept Heath, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, though if you have to pick and chose I would focus on the ones that give you your most important color (blue) first. This goes the extra mile in truly "optimizing" your mana base, and over the long run it thins your deck and makes it more consistent.
All in all, the changes I would make would look something like this -Canyon Slough, -Crumbling Necropolis, -Grixis Panorama, -Path of Ancestry, -Smoldering Marsh -Sunken Hollow, -Temple of Deceit, -Temple of Epiphany, -Temple of the False God
and do this
+Sulfurous Springs, +Underground River, +Shivan Reef, +Sunken Ruins, +Graven Cairns, +Cascade Bluffs, +Cephalid Coliseum, also these are pretty good, but the worst of the bunch I've recommended, +River of Tears, +Tainted Isle, +Tainted Peak. Additionally Ancient Tomb is amazing as well, so I would recommend that as a long term investment too. (plus it goes in every edh deck ever so it's non-exclusive!).
Apart from lands, there are a couple of things that I think you could use to increase the consistency of your deck and some of the combos that you seem to be going for. Going over enchantment's first, as there is a short list, I would consider taking them all out personally. Search for Azcanta Flip is a more value oriented card popular in decks that try to attain long term value and want games to go long. Storm isn't quite looking for this, and for that, I think it doesn't do enough for what 2 mana will grant you especially if you are looking to "speed up" the deck. Very often competitive decks can't afford to play things that don't do anything right away, so even though the card is great, it needs to fit a certain role in a deck. I also think that Jace's Sanctum also comes to the "too slow" argument as well, but I think that if you are looking at least for a semi-competitive option, this is fine to keep in. Also for Thousand-Year Storm I have seen some discussion floating around in the competitive community that it could work really well as a win con in a similar oriented style deck, but the huge argument is paying 6 mana for a spell that doesn't do anything, or win you the game right away. Regardless, I think for what your deck has going thousand-year storm seems like it could prove well if it is working well for you.
Otherwise, there are just a couple of cards such as Jaya Ballard, and Docent of Perfection Flip that really stuck out to me. Personally, I don't think that the amount of mana they are is really worth the investment, and I would rather play cards that help setup the win. To go off this, I noticed that you were playing Isochron Scepter, so why not replace those other cards and play Dramatic Reversal which is a near 2 card combo with the scepter? To utilize this combo you would need to play more things that tap to give you mana, but adding mana rocks will make your deck faster and I would recommend adding more anyways. In general this combo is low investment, high reward because none of the cards that you play to make the combo work arn't progressing you towards your endgame anyways. For the mana rocks you could add, I would highly consider cards such as Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Mana Crypt, Chrome Mox which are the high profile options, but for leaning more on a budget any of the signets are also highly viable (Izzet Signet, Dimir Signet, Rakdos Signet). In general this will increase the speed of your deck and make it more turbo charged. You won't find many competitive decks without these!
Lastly, I'd just like to briefly mention the best counterspells for competitive EDH. In general it is widely agreed upon that for combo decks in general, you want your counterspells to be as cheap and efficient as possible. Some of the most favored are Force of Will (i saw that you have that one), Pact of Negation, Flusterstorm, Delay, Mana Drain and Swan Song (also on the list). Secondarily, people do play Counterspell but it is often outclassed by the ones I mentioned prior. Also, there are other counterspells that people will play for more narrow purposes and should be played specifically for the meta you are expecting to play in. These are Negate, Mental Misstep, Spell Pierce(only for decks looking to win t2-t3 really),Arcane Denial, Remand etc... (here's a useful link if you want to know more: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/5k0tef/a_lexicon_of_cedh_counterspells_and_some/ )
In general I would cut the counters that are 3+ mana, because there are just better options out there if you go looking, and hopefully that page can give you some good insight for what counterspells are the right choice for you. And that will about wrap things up for me without going in too deep.
Yeah, so I could go over every card piece by piece, but that would probably be an entire article on it's own. It really because what makes a deck "competitive" is kind of an ambiguous term in the grand scheme of things. I'm not 100% sure every recommendation I make fits what you are looking for, so it's hard to analyze what cards are truly good/bad without sitting down and discussing it directly. Also, since there are legitimately several different version of a deck that 1 commander could hold, I think I'll just leave you with some resources that can further your cEDHing. Here are some of the competitive edh resources that I like to visit, and hopefully they can serve you well too!
also here is my Kess storm decklist if you want to take a look!: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-we-legacy-storm-now-cedh/
It's always good to have another person in the community, so I'm glad that your interest has been peaked! Hope to see you around and feel free to message me if you have any other questions!
Winterblast on WUBRG
1 month ago
First thing I'd do is getting rid of the bad ramp (kodama's reach, cultivate, farseek, skyshroud Claim, dakrsteel ingot) and replace it with mana dorks. Being in 5c you could play ALL cmc 1 dorks but I would suggest at least: Noble Hierarch, Birds of Paradise, Deathrite Shaman, Elves of Deep Shadow, Avacyn's Pilgrim...Arbor Elf would be great if your lands had more forests among them but that's only possible with using original duals in addition to the shocklands. Or you use more basic forests (could also use Utopia Sprawl then).
Nature's Claim, Mystic Remora, Brainstorm, Ponder are just universally too good to not play unless you have a strong reason not to. On the other hand Counterspell and Utter End have rather restrictive mana costs for interaction slots in a 5c deck. I would definitely try to keep instant interaction with one coloured mana and cmc 1 if possible. Dispel, Flusterstorm, Mental Misstep are all solid choices. Pact of Negation is questionable if you aren't a fast combo deck because you don't really want to use it as a response but rather protection to push through your win (while not planning on paying the pact).