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Counter target spell with converted mana cost 1.
Mental Misstep Discussion
16 hours ago
"i dont really have any idea on what the competitive/pro tour scene would look like as far as what people would play with no modern ban"
Then why are you even having this discussion? Before making this kind of argument, you should have analyzed the metagame that the cards were banned in. Then, look at the win rates of said decks/usage level of said cards. Only then would you have enough knowledge to fully understand why there is a Modern Banlist. Most of the cards that were banned had a really high usage rate, or were key points of decks that were neigh unbeatable during their time, in much the same metagame that exists today (depending on the deck/card). If something like Mental Misstep was legal in modern, 9/10 most played cards in modern would be shut off (based on MTGGoldfish), and 19/50 of the most played cards. If Chrome Mox were legal, imagine t1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben . It would be unbeatable, it's really that simple.
So before making an argument that is not even close to being based in fact, do the research. Then you can/will understand why there is a banlist in modern.
While some cards are probably deserving to come off the banlist, many of the spells have their place there, and will stay for many years to come.
1 day ago
I dont tink its turn 2 death like you say. Show
"One thing that I found extremely interesting is that if you take the overbearing power of Eldrazi out of the equation, No Ban List Modern was actually less degenerate than regular Modern. Yes, decks were more powerful, but a lot of the powerful cards cancelled each other out. Games were actually fun, interesting and rich with decision points. I didn't get killed earlier than turn four a single time in the entire event, and most games I played lasted until turn 8-10 at the very least." - Brian Braun-Duin
as far as hyper aggro/combo are concerned that is just inherent risk of running/abusing such a low mana curve...you will be kept honest with Chalice of the Void , Mindbreak Trap or potentially Mental Misstep .... greedy mana bases will be kept in line with Blood Moon and company.... and if a deck demands having a perfect opening hand...thats a bit ridiculous/probably not a great deck to run but we do have Serum Powder ...maybe that can help affinnity out?
SynergyBuild Truthfully I am not asking anything. This thread was honestly just started just for fun/speculation challenging the idea that modern would die without the banlist. I am making the case that there are plenty of answers that have been printed post 8th edition to prevent any one deck from being an apex predator/have someone to answer to... but certainly some will command more respect than others as is the case in any environment.... btw i dig that your playtesting this!
1 day ago
so i guess to clean it up.... in a no ban modern format... the guy who just bought into there paper Through the Breach combo would be understandibly furious considering what else would be made available like Hypergenesis ... and if eveyone feels that there deck will require a full playset of Mental Misstep then i can only assum that the price would go up due to the demand and lack of reprints..so the guy who has a shoe box of new phyrexia cards in a shoe box from when he/she was in shool then i guess they'd be pumped for it.
1 day ago
when it comes to the economics... its a whole different animal... my angle aims more at proving or disproving the Modern format would thrive/die with a no ban/restriction list.....legacy/vintage still exist but have a completely different price tag depending on the player base.... same goes for standard....depending how serious of a player you are you can spend a lot of money playing in a standard format....i dont exactly control the price of Force of Will / Mental Misstep / Teferi, Hero of Dominaria ... but those cards serve the same purpose in there perspective arenas.
1 day ago
Initially the speculation was that Miracles/Storm would be the only decks that would be played....in the NBLM event it turned into Eldrazi being the primary deck... the reality is that there is a much bigger scope here than just those... while squadron hawk is a great way to consistently have a creature, it might not be good enough for a format bereft with removal.. like a lot of removal... to be able Fulminator Mage /Fulminate a land, Bloodbraid Elf /Cascade into Kolaghan's Command /K-Command, get Fulminator back.... im just not convinced that decks types cant be hated out... unfair decks can be put in check with Mental Misstep / Chalice of the Void / Abrupt Decay ... greedy mana bases have to deal with a slew of land hate in the same way graveyard strategies have a slew of hate coming their way.
was Necropotence ever Modern Legal/Printed post 8th edition sets?... and as far as standard caw-blade is concerned i cant comment on that hardly...sure i went and played LGS standard drafts back in zendikar days but i was a completely different player back then convinced i was gonna make something happen whith Living Tsunami and landfall shenanigans but to no avail lol.
2 days ago
Nice analysis but you are actually wrong mt friend. Those very strong 1 drop cards were not kept incheck by Mental Misstep because they werent legal together. Misstep was banned specifically because of the bad player experience it gave making turn 1 luck based.
The others such as skullclamp was banned because of sheer power as even in its original time of printing (pre modern) it was extremelty busted beyond its years
Your point on no banlist modern vs no banlist modern is very true! Busted beats busted. But i believe even throughout the svg tour it was noted eldrazi was a step above the other no banlist decks due to consitency of being busted even with mull to 4 on the draw plays. I believe the grand finals of the no banlist modern of scg on youtube highlited this.
2 days ago
here are some quick bullets i found from his article that i noted.
"cards like Glimpse of Nature , Skullclamp , Deathrite Shaman , Gitaxian Probe , and Rite of Flame are very powerful cards that would be risky to unban, but they didn't put up a great showing in this event because they were either outclassed by even more broken strategies or because they were held in check by Mental Misstep ".
"in many ways Misstep was the card that allowed No Ban List Modern to function as a format. Much like how Force of Will in Legacy holds a lot of broken strategies in check. "
"One thing that I found extremely interesting is that if you take the overbearing power of Eldrazi out of the equation, No Ban List Modern was actually less degenerate than regular Modern. Yes, decks were more powerful, but a lot of the powerful cards cancelled each other out. Games were actually fun, interesting and rich with decision points. I didn't get killed earlier than turn four a single time in the entire event, and most games I played lasted until turn 8-10 at the very least. Games actually felt a lot like playing Legacy, and there weren't any games in the event where I felt completely helpless to do anything against what my opponent was throwing out there."
"artifact lands like Ancient Den , did not seem to really matter at all in the games we played. I would say an artifact-land based Affinity deck could probably end up being a decent strategy in the format, but then again, maybe not. Affinity is not a great strategy in Legacy, and decks like Eldrazi, Dark Depths, and White-Blue Counter-Top were strategies that played at a near-Legacy power level. Affinity was just outclassed."
with some of those points in mind i dont think a single tournement like this is enough data to conclusively say what decks would be out of control in the modern format. If Eldrazi was higher on the radar many people could have drastically increased their win percentage against the deck by doing something as simple as splashing for Blood Moon or adding Ensnaring Bridge to their sideboard....there is a lot of power here no doubt about it; but the answers exist.
2 days ago
Well idk if you were around but i remember exactly why Mental Misstep was banned.
Everybody would jam 4x of it intheir decks for the turn 1 misstep war- and it would be zero skill. Whoever drew more wins the war. And thats not very fun is it?
Birthing Pod made me quit magic. I went to an fnm with 25 people 20 of which played meleria pod. I remember it was very caw-blade esque of where the creativity was sapped out of modern and its wither you play pod or a direct counter. No in betweens.
Mental Misstep occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.17%
G/U (Simic): 0.08%
U/R (Izzet): 0.07%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.14%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.13%
BUG (Sultai): 0.12%