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Goryo's Vengeance Discussion
12 hours ago
OK I am going to give a more in depth analysis of combo in modern because there's quite a few differing opinions and I just want to clear some stuff up and you can decide for yourself. (I didn't do this before because I was on mobile and now I am at work and bored.)
So as mentioned before there are quite a few spell oriented OTK decks.
Ad nauseum is a deck that kills you only with the combo and does it in one turn. It uses Angel's Grace or Phyrexian Unlife and ad nauseum to draw their whole deck and cast Lightning Storm pitching bunch of lands or Laboratory Maniac and a draw spell to just win. This deck was very popular for a time because it can win at instant speed and it just "do these resolve?" Ok I win then. The reason it has fallen out of favor is because any deck running black these days is running 6-8 discard spells and even though it has a lot of card selection it also needs to find very specific cards to combo off. Also if you discard and Surgical Extraction their ad nauseum they literally cannot win. The deck was pretty favored against creature decks but its just pretty darn bad against discard spells.
UR gifts storm this deck is a more recent addition to combo in modern just because it was more of a niche deck but with addition to Baral, Chief of Compliance it has become a lot more consistent. This is another OTK style combo deck that pretty much only wins with a stormed Grapeshot or attacks with a stormed Empty the Warrens. The deck just uses Goblin Electromancer and/or Baral, Chief of Compliance to generate a lot of mana and cast Gifts Ungiven and Past in Flames to recast their graveyard and Grapeshot the opponent. The best part of the deck is that it is pretty skill intensive. It requires a lot of knowledge about the deck but once you have certain situations covered you can do very well with it. The deck is good against discard decks because it can be a bit more consistent with the Gifts Ungiven s but it is kind of slow to go off so fast creature decks especially with interaction for their creatures can stop them.
Cheerios combo deck which is pretty similar to UR gifts because it uses Grapeshot to win. It uses Puresteel Paladin and/or Sram, Senior Artificer, a bunch of 0 mana equipment, Retract and Grapeshot to get a big storm count draw their deck and kill. The deck is very susceptible to creature removal and bad draws but is very explosive. Because its pretty inconsistent though people tend to not play it in tournaments right now because early creature interaction is so common and it can kind of flounder and fail.
Titan shift so there are a couple variations of this deck but I went with one that played both Primeval Titan and Scapeshift. This deck is pretty straight forward you get 7ish lands and cast Scapeshift getting Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle and mountains for an OTK. Or you can try to grind them out with Primeval Titan although once that card resolves or attacks its basically game over. The reason I said this is not a common or good deck right now is because "bolting things" is not good enough right now and its bad to discard spells a little bit. The boogeyman in modern right now is deaths shadow aggro in mulitple variations and this deck will just kill you before you can combo off and you cant bolt their creatures. Also in the blue version they play Stubborn Denial and Scapeshift looks pretty bad then. So the deck is mostly good against small linear creature decks which just isnt most of modern right now.
Goryos vengeance combo-y decks the deck here is the one with Goryo's Vengeance Griselbrand and Nourishing Shoal and it uses those cards to draw their deck and attack and Through the Breach in Worldspine Wurm and bolt you with Borborgymos Enraged. So it has a few avenues to win with but they are all pretty OTK style. The deck loses to itself a lot with bad draws and can be susceptible to graveyard hate but is VERY explosive it mostly just loses to fast aggro decks and counterspell heavy decks. Right now people just dont like playing decks that lose to themselves.
So now we will move into the creature heavy combo decks.
Kiki chord this deck is very much a value deck that when it happens to combo it just kind of does. The deck just plays good creatures and sort of a "toolbox" approach with Chord of Calling to try to kill your opponent and out value them. If it can it has the option of comboing them with Restoration Angel and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker as mentioned above in Smackjacks UWR kiki control. These decks are fine right now because Path to Exile is pretty good but playing the value game is kind of hard so the combo is pretty useful. I am not sure exactly how they are favored right now but they are not very popular to my knowledge.
Abzan collected company combo this deck goes up and down with popularity as time goes on. It uses Melira, Sylvok Outcast and/or Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit with Kitchen Finks and/or Murderous Redcap and Viscera Seer to gain infinite life or deal infinite damage (or make their creatures infinitely large). It can also play a small value game with their creatures but not nearly as well as kiki combo can because this deck is more set up to combo more often then not. This deck is actually probably pretty good right now but its just not super popular and I am sure there is a reason for that but I dont quite know what that is.
Knightfall this deck is sort of a combo deck so I included it. It uses Knight of the Reliquary and Retreat to Coralhelm to make the knight really big in combat and OTK someone. It also plays a value game similar to kiki chord and abzan coco combo but this one is more of a value deck than a combo one because it plays so few pieces of the combo since you cant hit both off Collected Company or Chord of Calling. This has seen a bit of resurgence but mostly in just a couple niche tournaments where it did pretty well I do not personally think is that great because the value game is so much like abzan coco and kiki chord with much less of a combo game to it.
So these are what I personally consider combo decks in modern. "Combo" is extremely subjective and everyones definition is different so take this as you will. Other combo-y decks that people mentioned above are elves, dredge, tron? I have no idea why people think this is a combo deck, affinity also why is this considered a combo deck?
So check them all out see what hits your preferences there are resources to help understand and better play every single one and they all have their advantages and disadvantages. My personal opinion and through MTGO and tournament reports the combo decks I listed and explained are not well positioned because there is so much deaths shadow aggro and discard decks and they just cannot assemble all they need and die too fast because of it. Or they flounder too much and die.
1 week ago
Definitely a set of Collective Brutality. It both gives you game against decks like burn and lets you put your Griselbrands into your graveyard, and is definitely better than the Dragoon.
You also probably want Thoughtseize because it can be really damaging to an opponent with a weak hand. You can even hit yourself with it if need be to pitch an Obzedat turn one and Vengeance it turn 2.
3 weeks ago
davin.baan yea I tried to include as many "silver bullets" as I could. Stonecloaker is reallllly good against Goryo's Vengeance decks as well as anything running Snapcaster Mage. You can occasionally turn off your opponent's delirium with it, too. Venser, Shaper Savant is actually an extremely versatile card in the deck. It gets around uncounterable spells like Abrupt Decay and Supreme Verdict. Just last night I actually bounced the only land my opponent had untapped at the end of his turn. Let me attack in for lethal. It was such a goofy play, but that's kind of the reason Venser is in there. For those weird one-off moments where I need something different. Playing all these silver bullets can be a little risky because we'll never draw them, but as you pointed out, I'm trying to remedy that with quite a few cantrips in the deck.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Saw your comment on my profile and i'm happy to help. Let me start by saying there is no one "right way to build" reanimator in modern. It is important to keep in mind though that relative to the rest of the meta, reanimator is worse in modern due to its legacy counterpart due to not having access to things like Reanimate, Animate Dead, or Exhume. As a result, you have to get a bit creative and approach it from a different angle. Here are a few different decklists and why they work.
1) Unburial Gifts
This deck works off of the interaction between Unburial Rites and Gifts Ungiven. Since gifts specifies UP TO four cards, at the end of your opponents turn you can choose just rites and a big creature (and you get to choose which one is the best in the current situation you can even have a 1-of Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite as a tutor target), forcing your opponent to put both in the yard. Then you untap and bring it back. Since counterspells work nicely with keeping your mana up, this deck tends to be a bit more on the controlling side. You also have the option to grab 4 similar spells like 4 hand disruption cards such that you can shred your opponents hand no matter which they pick.
I know i said at the beginning a lot of good reanimation spells aren't modern legal. Goryo's Vengeance however is. It's also instant speed so if you can get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn into your graveyard you can respond to the trigger by bringing it into play. Sure you need to exile it at the end of turn and don't get the cast trigger but attacking for 15 and making them sacrifice 6 permanents often gets the job done. The other big creature it brings back is Griselbrand. His activated ability is great and refills your hand (also a 7/7 flying lifelink isn't bad either). This deck also has easy ways to get around graveyard hate, something most reanimator decks can't deal with in the form of Through the Breach. Whereas the first deck works more as a control deck, this one is more focused on combo and runs the maximim number of copies of Serum Visions and Sleight of Hand
This is a modification of the second deck. The way tit works is you first cheat out a Griselbrand but then it gets a bit different. When you draw your deck using his ability, you hit Nourishing Shoal and Worldspine Wurm to gain your life back. Lastly you bring out Borborygmos Enraged and discard all the lands you drew.
If I were to build modern reanimator it would probably be built around one of those three. I'm not saying zombify won't work but i think the gifts version is significantly more consistent. If you want to stick with what you have, i'd look into picking up Griselbrand as it is arguably the best card to reanimate (iona being second) assuming you can't instant speed out Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. Also Collective Brutality is another way to discard fatties while still disrupting the opponent.
1 month ago
@ Wizard_of_the_Broke Yeah, I added it back in. I also realized it can be an Aether Vial of sorts, with a curve of Inquisition of Kozilek into Beck / Call into Lingering Souls, all at essentially instant speed.
I did get closer to that list, but definitely not that list. I made the switches too. I'll probably adjust as I test more, but I think it seems functional at the moment. Thanks for your help!
@ Randomdeath I would like to add some Thoughtseize, but my issue is the space. Getting the numbers is weird, so I'm gonna test it out. Obzedat, Ghost Council and Goryo's Vengeance seems super cool (Obzedaddy is one of my top 3 cards of all time), but I don't think many people would want to give you either (unless you also have Snapcaster Mage and Unburial Rites?), so I don't think I'll add it, yet. Thanks though!
1 month ago
IM playing a esper gifts deck right now and while my list could use a bit a tweaking it still runs really well but running 1-2 Thoughtseize is good cause you already take hits playing the deck, some Inquisition of Kozilek are just as good. But I try to counteract all that with using Obzedat, Ghost Council and Goryo's Vengeance as part of my gifts piles. Is link the deck im using but im horribly at that so. Yeah.
1 month ago
It also Looks like this deck while still pretty consistent, will have some akward draws where you draw Griselbrand without Faithless Looting to ditch him, resulting in Card disadvantage, or Goryo's Vengeance without the big dude in the grave.
I would think about reintroducing 1-2 Collective Brutality. Raven's Crime is good but its still not targeted. brutality offers another discard outlet if you draw Griselbrand and is really powerful against a bunch of decks. you can also ditch Faithless Looting for it and Flash it back for later value.
this deck has incredible flavour!