Dinrova Horror
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Dinrova Horror

Creature — Horror

When Dinrova Horror enters the battlefield return target permanent to its owner's hand, then that player discards a card.

Balaam__ on You’ve Been Subpoenaed to Testify at Nuremberg

2 years ago

Thanks for posting, BluemanMTG. I’m guessing you meant to suggest a different card than Ghostly Flicker since I already run 4 copies and talked about it at length in the deck description. Not sure which other potential card you had in mind, but I’d love to hear which one you meant.

As for Dinrova Horror, I’d have to say it’s a bit too mana intensive. Aside from that, it doesn’t top deck; it bounces and forces a discard (which is nice), but I couldn’t justify sacrificing any slots in the deck to include it.

BluemanMTG on You’ve Been Subpoenaed to Testify at Nuremberg

2 years ago

I like the idea behind this deck.

Maybe run Ghostly Flicker? The two creatures that ETB would love to be flickered. Flickering Chittering Rats is a tried and true pauper tactic. Dinrova Horror may be a decent thing too if you don't mind its prohibitive mana cost.

Miwa0609 on M-Man of the year, M-Man of the BOUNCE!!

3 years ago

I'll cut Dinrova Horror, Scuttlemutt, Haunted Cloak or Vorrac Battlehorns.. But you're better to know what to cut, while playing the deck, you'll see which cards you prefer and which one you never play

Spell_Slam on Suffering and Smiling: Grixis PDH

4 years ago

I think some improvement could be made in your mana base. You are running the gain lands which is great, but there are other great duels. The bounce lands Dimir Aqueduct, Izzet Boilerworks and Rakdos Carnarium are very powerful because they can allow you to basically have an extra land drop with just one card (makes opening hands more keepable) and it can also let you reuse ETB effect lands. You could also be running Bojuka Bog, which I jam in every Black deck. Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds are better at fixing your mana than regular dual lands. I also wouldn't mind seeing some cycling lands like Forgotten Cave, Lonely Sandbar and Barren Moor at a minimum. You could be running up to 9 cyclers in your mana base alone.

Almost every single one of your creatures has an ETB. You should really think about including the cheese package of Ghostly Flicker and Displace(and maybe Merchant Scroll). You're already running Archaeomancer and Izzet Chronarch for infinite value loops. You could add even more creatures like them to really take advantage of the engine. Add in Peregrine Drake and Cloud of Faeries and you could be looking at infinite mana and blink effects as a secondary win condition. It's hard not to include this combo when you're playing Blue because it's such a great way to end the game.

In terms of your creatures, I like where it's going. I would swap out Sibsig Icebreakers for Dinrova Horror, who's a massive beater with a great abusable trigger.

I think Death Denied would be a better choice over Stir the Grave or Wander in Death. If you absolutely want a reanimation spell Unearth would probably be a better choice.

I like all your reomval spells except for Terror. Wouldn't Doom Blade be an upgrade, or are you playing against regenerate? You could also run something cool like Jilt instead, or perhaps Edict effects to go along with your board wipes, like Chainer's Edict.

drpeppercan on Sen Triplets

5 years ago

Pillowfort/Taxation:

Thievery:

Control:

Mana Fixing:

The Rest:

Cards to consider ousting:

alexjustdoit on Dimir Guildkit Upgrade

5 years ago

I think I'd get rid of one or both of the Dimir Guildmages depending on how much you like the card (the ability is a bit expensive for what you get in my opinion). If you like the dual utility of Dimir Guildmage you could also consider swapping it for House Guildmage which I think is a tad better unless you're really hurting for draw abilities. Same with Dinrova Horror, while flavorful 6 cmc for a 4/4 with bounce seems a bit much when you have a good number of counters, removal, or things like Unexplained Disappearance. Of surveil cards, Nightveil Sprite can give you some great mileage out of just one card. As far as Dimir Spybug and Thoughtbound Phantasm, you'll have to make the call if you think its worth it for just one copy of each. From experience playing a Dimir deck I drafted with lots of surveil but only one of each those creatures, they're amazing when you draw them, but also often I had games where I didn't draw them. Or they got immediately removed. Surveil helps filter your deck to get to them faster, so 2 of each would probably make it much better. Up to you.

You could probably replace Dimir Charm with one of the cards I mentioned that you like, since I think the best ability on the charm is usually going to be the counter, followed by the removal, and you have a fair number of counters and some removal already.

Unmoored Ego is cool but if your friends/playgroup are also playing "guild kit" style with few duplicates, then it probably wouldn't make much sense in the deck, unless you have that one pesky friend that's always rocking 3-4x of a particularly annoying card that you need to nip at the bud.

Whispering Snitch and Enhanced Surveillance are also fun if you feel like you're surveiling enough to make it worth it. Though one could also say, if you're surveilling a lot then Enhanced Surveillance is a bit unnecessary overkill.

Also keep in mind, I don't think Whispering Madness would be nearly as useful without something like Notion Thief, outside of a scenario where you only have a couple cards and your opponent/s have a full hand. If the scenario is reversed, you'll only be helping them out. However, with Notion Thief it basically becomes a reusable "opponent discards hand, you discard and redraw a full hand" or some such.

Kinda hard for me to answer specifically "replace A B C with X Y Z" since a deck with few duplicates is generally less consistent in the direction it's trying to go. Some fun cards here though for you to consider.

Oh by the way, I didn't realize this at first so I'll throw this in here in case you didn't already know, but you can bounce Etrata back to your hand after damage to get her whole "hit counter exile" wincon thing and avoid reshuffling her ;)

Saeriibon on Millin'

5 years ago

Welp, seems I only have 2 Jace's Phantasms OTL. I looked through some cards and selected possible replacements for the Phantom Monsters and Assassinates which are as follows:

1 of each Death's Caress, Reave Soul, Stab Wound, Psychic Spiral, The Eldest Reborn, Dinrova Horror, Homarid Explorer

2 of each Blizzard Specter, Seer of the Last Tomorrow

3 of each Fill with Fright

4 of each Doorkeeper

Spirits on Un-FLICKING-believable!!!!!!!!!!

5 years ago

Hi hoardofnotions,

Thanks for the comments on Spirits Wall.

What do you guys use to value your decks? We use Deckstats.net Un-FLICKING-believable!!!!!!!!!! Deck. $60.82 - Basic Lands $1.10 = $59.72. We always found TCGPlayer.com (Sidebar) was always missing cards (Caution triangle), and was so variable made it unpleasant. Interested to know what you guys settled on.

Rakdos Charm in all honesty is not the best, but it is modular (graveyard protection), and it kills a go-wide token strategy that you indicated to have issues with. Also, or alternatively, you can run board clearing, like Chandra's Ignition or Whipflare.

Ontop of Dualcaster Mage + Ghostly Flicker + Piranha Marsh, Archaeomancer + Peregrine Drake also work.Animate Dead + Worldgorger Dragon can also, but he is high risk. Maybe some additional Tutors to consistently get the Ghostly Flicker.

Rite of Replication + Dualcaster Mage / Naru Meha, Master Wizard is infinite Wizards (Don't even need to kick it). Rite of Replication is good on it's own too, especially with all the ETB's you run. Add a Gray Merchant of Asphodel and that's a win-con (unless the opponent is playing heavy life gain), does 60 damage to each opponent ( x 6 Gray Merchant of Asphodel + 5 triggers) by itself, and you gain 180 life.

I see the mana fixing in the base, but so many tapped lands can slow you down too much. May overcome this with the ramp?

Dinrova Horror I understand he can be a powerhouse, and recurring him makes him good, but High CMC, and can't target yourself (efficiently anyway).

Dreamscape Artist that is a hell of a price to pay, I wouldn't. If it could pull any land maybe, but not basic.

I'm not sure Duplicant is effective enough, and high CMC, for his $ cost in a budget format. There's lots of ETB's to abuse, for sure, he is one of them, but not sure worth it. Would rather have money for a Rite of Replication.

Withered Wretch and Ingot Chewer are ok, but I would rather have a Rakdos Charm, I realize can't flicker them, but those creatures aren't the greatest anyway, and Withered Wretch doesn't benefit from flicker.

I would play but evaluate Discovery / Dispersal, doesn't provide any card advantage, have to see how often it is Surveil a card into the graveyard that you return as a %. If it inconsistently works, I wouldn't run it. If you find your usually recurring the card it throws, or your aggressive enough to dig for a combo piece, might be ok. Hard to evaluate.

Evil Twin (CMC4) can be great, or not. Situational. Same with Memory Plunder, too random, too situational. Difficult to evaluate it's value, I usually stay away from those.

Animate Dead is very high $, again would rather see something like a Rite of Replication in it's place.

Nightscape Familiar is not a terrible ramp, and he has Regenerate, so can block Non-Flample pretty good.

Devastation Tide scares me to, because you probably rebuild your board the slowest (or close to the slowest). I wouldn't want to reset myself, after doing all the ramping work. Might be situational good on occasion, but rarely on a miracle. There is a blue card (not Cyclonic Rift that does opponents stuff, name escapes me now, but it has a very high CMC)

Commit / Memory at CMC4 seems pretty high too. Seems to much, lose the game with it in hand and unable to cast, or saving CMC4 and don't end up using it. Not Flash or anything (other than the copy spell guys) to really utilize the saved mana, or draw, etc. Some with the artifact returns/recur though.

Burnished Hart is really good, I know he doesn't ETB, but if you can recur him, lots of ramping. A little $ expensive too.

Most of your drawing is CMC 3+ which, I understand early turns your playing tapped lands for the most part, so you're slowly moving, then turn 3-5 your trying to draw. You have a couple tutors, but you might get overwhelmed before you can get to it. Luckily in a multi-pod, you'll probably be left alone for a while, but hard to evaluate if your fast enough. Since you restrict to only Tier 4+ commanders, you may have enough time, our league doesn't restrict, just restricts the budget, Animar or Brago, you'd never get ahead of, so you have that going for you!

Cloud of Faeries + Deadeye Navigator + Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks or Rakdos Carnarium does indeed make infinite mana.

Razaketh's Rite is high CMC, but the Cycling makes it playable if drawn in opening rounds.

Sever the Bloodline is great for Horde removal too (or indestructible), or Bile Blight. Not sure how often you see it though, we have 1/1 Snake and 2/2 Wolf and */* Vampire in our league. Tragic Slip too (instant speed).

Murder is a good budget removal too. Can free up some $ with a Dissipate instead of Counterspell.

I like the draw on Illusionist's Stratagem but the CMC4 sucks, it's still good though because it triggers the 2 creatures, which you need.

Custodi Lich is awesome (for the extra draw and the sacrifice), but his $ and his CMC5 make him not budget friendly. Plus he many not even get the target your really want to kill, and sorcery speed. Once the Monarch is on the table, if you don't have a way to take it back, you may actually hurt yourself by giving away card advantage.

Notion Thief is best with Wheel of Fortune type effects, or when you play "all players draw a card" type effects. Not sure if you've found him consistent enough in this flicker type build?

Good deck idea, like the flicker. +1.

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