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You may look at an additional two cards each time you surveil.
Exile Enhanced Surveillance: Shuffle your graveyard into your library.
Enhanced Surveillance Discussion
2 months ago
Very nice deck, I like it. It's obvious that you are trying to connect the combo side of this commander with big creatures. Playing that heavy stuff early in the game is awesome and exciting.
I also recommend the Laboratory Maniac + Paradigm Shift - Combo with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . This gets you all cards in your graveyard and you may be able to win in an instant. Doomsday could also be a hidden secret card for Lazav, the Multifarious .
But this deck is good and I'm sure it is a fun for you to play with it. Just my opinion.
3 months ago
Enhanced Surveillance is an important sb here as it’s my main defense against someone trying to mill me out, as this deck relies of heavy surveiling. However, I agree that Capture Sphere and Quench might not be up to snuff. I’ll look into swapping a pair of Negate s in for those two.
3 months ago
Sb is pretty all over the place. Have more consistency. Then there are just cards that aren't as powerful. Capture Sphere , Quench , and Enhanced Surveillance is a trap. It isn't good. Perhaps more threats in the sb or just overall better removal. This is a control deck. Where are the Negate s?
3 months ago
Enhanced Surveillance is nice. I'll definitely look at that. I actually used to have Crypt Incursion in the deck on an early version I just didn't think just life was a good enough trade-out, but I may look at it again. Like you said life gain in black is high value. And I just took Butcher of Malakir out for Unclaimed Territory so we'll have 36 moving forward and I'll mix things around when I get a low CMC Pact effect permanent in here. And holy shit I really like Faces of the Past If I get Whip of Erebos in I want to get Midnight Reaper as well. I just don't want one without the other. Thanks for mentioning War of the Spark in general. I'm super excited about Gleaming Overseer (1UB ETB 1/4 w/ Amass 1 and Zombie Tokens you control have Hexproof and Menace), Liliana, Dreadhorde General , Liliana's Triumph , and Bolas's Citadel I don't how I'll fit all of them in, but this looks like a good set for us!
3 months ago
Happy to help! Fair enough on Empty the Pits . I'm somewhat partial to Enhanced Surveillance from the last Ravnica set, but that's also a permanent so it'll be pretty televised (though that by itself is a solid deterrent). There's also Crypt Incursion if you're looking for some instant speed shenanigans. Not great but I played it one time in an older build and went from like ten to 40ish for only three mana.
As far as your land count, I think reducing the overall average CMC of the deck will be fine. You can work with 35 (I've got more than my fair share of decks with that many lands), but I wouldn't lean too heavily into anything above 5 CMC if you do so. Otherwise I'd add least one land (though another bit of artifact ramp oughtta do the trick as well).
For enablers for Grimgrin, I'm somewhat fond of Faces of the Past , as it doesn't just untap Grimgrin but also any other zombie that you attacked with. Midnight Reaper gets you some card draw if you're saccing nontokens. Dreadhorde Invasion will give you sac fodder AND some nice lifegain when it releases with War of the Spark. If you're going with a self-mill style, Stitcher's Supplier isn't a bad choice.
4 months ago
thank you for your interesting, I'll write from now on the changes directly in the updates-window. If someone is reading this, I compare this deck with "The Many-Faced God" - [[Primer]]
Enhanced Surveillance performs in this deck very well, because I've put many cards with the Surveil-ability in it. The second ability of this card is also useful in an emergency case like any effect is going to exile all graveyard cards. If those cards go back into the library it isn't the worst, for sure better than getting away from the game. This card is no power-up, but I like it a lot and with many Surveil-cards this enchantment fits in this decks strategy. I don't see this card in your deck, you have a lot of cards to loot cards like Looter il-Kor , Key to the City ,.. and not so much Surveil-cards. In my opinion Enhanced Surveillance needs many Dimir cards with the named ability. This is just a fine difference between our decks, guess it's not worth to skip any other card for this specific one.
Yes, Telepathy is awesome, especially in this control-fancy playstyle. In commander we know that we can't counter everything (and that's for so many reasons really good!) so this helps a lot to get advantage in the game. I recommend this card a lot. It doesn't do anything on it's own, but not only you can see other players hand. Each opponent may get suspicious too when seeing any other opponents cards. I see this card in any deck which has a passive strategy.
In my deck there are of course many possible upgrades, but I'm not interested to rise up the power level to a 9 or 10 of 10. First it's hard to achieve, second those decks have a very strict game plan and last I like to play anything interesting like Thief of Sanity , Mnemonic Betrayal ,... Recently I changed some cards, hope it does work well. One card I try is Dark Confidant over Phyrexian Arena , because of a very low average CMC and the Confidant is in addtion a creature card too.
I'm monitoring your deck as well and I like it as a really good reference. To your question of which cards I'm considering at the moment: Perplexing Chimera , Dimir Doppelganger and Psychic Intrusion . I've put in Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver to force the deck theme in a specific direction.
4 months ago
I have a couple of questions for you regarding some of your card choices, because I'm considering adding them to my deck.
How did Enhanced Surveillance perform for you so far? I'm talking about its first ability, because we all know how useful for us its graveyard protection ability can be. Does surveilling two extra cards make a big difference in your experience? I know you are including more cards with surveil than me, so you are getting more value out of it. Actually, my only source of surveil is Lazav himself. Do you still think it would be worth including in my list? I think so, considering also its utility of protecting our graveyard. Surveilling 3 instead of 1 the two or three times that I'm casting casting my general in a single game seems a good deal to me.
Since you are playing with Telepathy , a card that I think is criminally underrated in multiplayer EDH, I would really like to know how effective it is. With an OTK deck, having full knowledge of our opponents hands at all times seems extremely important. It can help you decide which player you want to kill and when. I really like this enchantment, but I have never included it into any of my decks. This seems the perfect place for it. What are your thoughts on it?
4 months ago
Hi thom-le and thanks for your kind words!
I've also had a look at your deck and compared it to mine, and they are indeed very similar. I particularly like your inclusion of Enhanced Surveillance , so much so that I'm considering adding it to my deck. The extra surveil on Lazav, combined with the ability to protect our graveyard at instant speed and for free, makes for a really handy tool. Your suggestion of cutting some lands is also something to be considered, although I like to have as much mana as possible with this deck to transform Lazav multiple times.
As far as your specific suggestions are concerned, they are all appropriate. However, with all the draw/discard I have included in the deck, I never find myself casting my creatures. They hit the graveyard by just being discarded, without ever hitting the battlefield. As a result, High Market isn't that necessary and Hibernation Sliver would be slightly worse than Cavern Harpy . If I could afford an extra colourless source, however, the Market would be an easy include due to its great utility (e.g., saving your commander from a Control Magic -type of effect). Mesmeric Orb is something I'm a little hesitant about, due to the random nature of self-milling. You could end up discarding something you need. Pact of Negation is a counterspell I really like, so I will be testing it for sure.
I have a couple of questions regarding some of your card choices, but I will be asking them on your own thread. Thanks again and let me know about any significant changes in your list, because I'm really interested in your ideas. Cheers!
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