Dimir Charm

Dimir Charm


Choose one Counter target sorcery spell; or destroy target creature with power 2 or less; or look at the top three cards of target player's library, then put one back and the rest into that player's graveyard.

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Dimir Charm Discussion

bigguy99 on I'll take Food Chain for ...

1 week ago

Now that is a fucking deck. Someone finally found Dimir Charm and Misthollow Griffin to be useful in this meta.

ecmmyers on Phenax Combo

1 week ago

More cheap mana fixing is Tainted Isle, Drowned Catacomb. Chromatic Lantern over Commander's Sphere. Rogue's Passage is good for when you need to swing for the win.

I would say add in Undead Alchemist, which synergizes pretty will with your Altar of the Brood. Any creature you mill gives you a free token which triggers the Altar again. This can go on for quite some time depending on how many players are in the game. It is also good with Intruder Alarm. Really, there's no reason to leave it out :)

Dimir Charm has more utility than Essence Scatter. It kills a Prophet of Kruphix, cancels a late game bomb, or just screws an opponent with Top.

Impulse is worse than Ponder since it is cheaper, and you can shuffle if you see nothing useful.

Pemmin's Aura is a common enchantment in Phenax decks to do untap loops.

Thinking of Altars, I really like Altar of the Brood. It is a good response to board wipes. If they kill your creatures you can sac the all to mill the perpetrator for the combined power of your creatures. I've done it a few times when someone tries to kill my Consuming Aberration.

Change Dissipate to Counterspell.

Duplicant could be the much more versatile Clever Impersonator.

Honestly, what I think I see is a deck that is a bit lacking on actual win conditions. You have lots of card draw but only a couple combos. How will you secure a game when you want to win. You need a bit more resilience. Are you milling out? You will need to mill 270 cards in a 4 player game. You need more effective mill spells or combo pieces. Helm of Obedience has an infinite mill reaction with the black Leyline. Mesmeric Orb is crazy powerful, as is Dreamborn Muse. You could also get part of the way with Memory Erosion. Be careful with the orb, though, if you have tap/untap combos - be sure you can win before your draw step when you go off.

Change Oonas Grace or another weak counter' draw spell for Muddle the Mixture to tutor for the Guildmage or the Mindcrank.

If you want the potential to win with combat, you will need a few beaters Guiltfeeder, Lord of the Void,Wrexial, the Risen Deep, maybe the cheap Wight of Precinct Six or Nighthowler.

I run a thematic Lazav mill deck with minimal combo, so I do have experience with the card's I've suggested. They have served me well. I hope you can use a couple of the suggestions! Happy milling!

ecmmyers on House Dimir

1 week ago

If you're looking for more multiplayer mill spells, I like Dreamborn Muse as an option. If I were you, I would cut Jace AoT. He does little to help your plan. His +1 is useless and the more you mill the less you can search with his ultimate.

Altar of the Brood] is a good early game drop just to hit a few triggers before the bulk of the mill gets going. He also has a pretty solid interaction with Undead Alchemist Just let a mass miller hit the field and you're looking at value every turn - blockers, sac fodder, and more mill sources depending on the other players.

I would swap Syphon Mind for Mind Twist to hit everyone and draw a couple cards.

Notion thief is great draw hate, but he can get you killed fast. If someone drops a Con-Sphinx or copies yours then they will draw you out. In less extreme situations, players all try to give you a taste of your own medicine and make you draw as much as possible until you are literally choking on cards, looking at your own library dwindle. With engines like the Orb and the Muse, milling yourself is more of a possibility. For more draw or to make players discard, I like Whispering Madness - even more effective if a person has a hand-size increaser (such as your Praetor). Cipjer works great on unblockables.

Instead of Volition Reins, what about Blatant Thievery to get 3x the theft in a four player game.

Countersquall could be Dimir Charm. It still counters the big sorceries, it kills a Prophet, an can mill for 2 against a topdeck tutor.

If you don't need a third wipe (and IGW is crazy expensive) I like Lord of the Void just for a big flying beater who can also mill for value.

Personally, I have found Traumatize lackluster. Its a one off, against one person and the amount is unredictable - but never enough to win. Even if the person has a handful of cards a 5 mana mill spell can't kill them. It is like only good in the mid-game. early on you can't afford it and late game it mills for 10-20 cards. Maybe go for a Keening Stone instead.

Why no early game creatures or mill? I love my Hedron Crab the first 5-10 turns. He's especially fun to kick a Rite on late game.

I prefer Reality Shift over GftT. The manifest is usually a land or a non creature -so useless (or better for you than whatever you wanted gone)- and it has no restrictions. Gone forever.

I don't know what else to say. You seem to have a good handle on the deck, based on your sideboard. I just thought to add in some of my experiences with the cards. I'm personally playing a more flavor oriented Lazav list than a competitive one. +1 and happy milling!

BrandonJamesCAC on Grixis Control

1 week ago


Plus 1 just for Blightning

One question, why Dimir Charm at 4x?

CurtainSnatch on Defense Mill of doom

1 week ago

If you're going modern, you're going to want to mill fast. Like, super fast. And for that, you'll need efficient mill cards. Some you may consider are:

Also, there are some cards in your current deck with better, modern alternatives:

Other than that, there are a few other cards you may want to consider:Removal:



ecmmyers on Mill & Steal

2 weeks ago

Hey man, nice deck.

A few suggestions (based on my own Lazav deck Welcome to the Undercity)

Instead of the Vessel, add Chromatic Lantern for better fixing. Also, see Tainted Isle, Drowned Catacomb, Evolving Wilds, Dimir Guildgate and maybe Opal Palace ? I assume the Vessel was in for a Tunnel Vision combo, but I think the mana is more important.

Instead of Death's Approach, more dependable removal is Rapid Hybridization, Pongify, or Murder

Riddlekeeper is not bad, and he can be a mild rattlesnake, but I would prefer Jace's Archivist for a bit more draw and disruption.

Instead of Cryptoplasm, I like Clever Impersonator for the versatility and Mimic Vat for good ETB's.

Dispel only works on Instants, but Muddle the Mixture is also a tutor. Dimir Charm can kill a Prophet of Kruphix, counter a Genesis Wave, or trigger Lazav.

You might need a more late swingers, how about a Lord of the Void in place of Wonder?

Also, personally, I prefer Ghoulcaller Gisa over Geralf because multiple bodies are more effective blockers, and they are better at swarming. But, you loose that small mill.

Maybe also Extract from Darkness?

Hope this helps! Happy Milling!

GeneralTSoni on Sygg River Control (Tiny Leaders)

2 weeks ago

Dimir Charm, Disfigure, Ulcerate, Vendetta.

I'm just gonna put those there if you think they might be worth a look. Love the deck! (especially when you get the infinite combo in there)

Indigoindigo on Milley Cyrus

2 weeks ago

Removed a bunch of non-creature spells: Arcane Denial, Dream Fracture, Deadbridge Chant, Traumatize, Dimir Charm, Beast Within, Sultai Charm, Pongify, Extract from Darkness, Fact or Fiction, Recurring Insight, Regrowth, Nature's Claim, Mass Polymorph, Army of the Damned, Decree of Pain + Deadwood Treefolk

Augury Owl for better draws / self-mill.
Sea Gate Oracle for cheap draw and filtering.
Clone, Djinn of Infinite Deceits and Progenitor Mimic for scalability.

MagicalHacker: Any cards from my Sideboard that you'd add in? They're the only cards available to me right now.

Color(s) Black Blue
Cost UB
Converted cost 2
Avg. draft pick 5.86
Avg. cube pick 3.19


Format Legality
Legacy Legal
Vintage Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Modern Legal
Duel Commander Legal

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Set Rarity
Gatecrash Uncommon
Promo Set Uncommon

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