Dimir Charm

Dimir Charm


Choose one Counter target sorcery spell; or destroy target creature with power 2 or less; or look at the top three cards of target player's library, then put one back and the rest into that player's graveyard.

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Dimir Charm Discussion

ecmmyers on Lazav Plays With Your Mind

2 weeks ago

Hey there! I saw your list on Reddit/EDH, and I'd like to provide a few comments.

Lazav is my favorite commander. I love the flavor and the colors. I have so much fun piloting a mill and kill deck. I have a decklist on here if you want ideas (Welcome to the Undercity)

So, on to business, suggesting a few cuts and better-thans.

First, Mystic Remora is a pain. So much upkeep and mana just for a couple cards. You should use a dual purpose enchant like Aqueous Form that lets you scry and helps your dudes connect. Maybe even a Hedron Crab?

Rather than Disdainful stroke, try a Dimir Charm. It kills Prophet, counters Tooth and Nail, can trigger Lazav. Much more utility out of a single card, plus you get the Dimir flavor you know and love!

Havengul Lich is a cool dude - when your opponents are playing your colors. Otherwise he just kind of sits around, maybe casting a couple cheap Duskmantle Guildmages or Vampire Hexmages. 5CMC is just too much mana for a dead card and your 5-drop slot in this deck should be full of bombs like Nemesis of Reason.

I think the role of Grave Titan (as a value engine, I'm presuming) may be better served by Undead Alchemist. He's 2 mana cheaper, easier on the colors, generates tokens effortlessly as you mill, plus he has an awesome interaction with Altar of the Brood.

Body Double is good, and maybe you want to keep it. Nonetheless, I urge you find room for Guiltfeeder. You may appreciate a dangerous creature who causes loss of life rather than damage. No Foging that. and it often one shots the careless.

Jace's Mindseeker could be a Spelltwine, then you get 2 free cards, and you know at least one of them will mesh with your strategy. You also get the benefit of a larger selection - multiple graves rather than 5 cards.

I personally prefer the more permanent boardstate changes wrought by Sepulchral Primordial, even though Diluvian is fun too. There is just something about abusing ETB's that smacks of casting spells, and you get the body to stick around to swing for you.

What is Altar of Dementia doing in the maybeboard? That card is awesome. Proc it in response to boardwipes. Sac a dude in response to spot removal or before the damage step mid-combat (in a hopeless situation). If Zedruu or Phelddagrif keeps giving you annoying creatures, then you can dispose of them too. Again, decent synergy with Undead Alchemist.

All in all, it looks like a typical Lazav deck - and by that I mean a lot of fun. Keep doing what you do, this deck is an extension of yourself. I only mention what has worked for me.

ecmmyers on The Thief and the Knife (Help Wanted)

2 weeks ago

About the decklist, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't see how it it inherently rude at all. If you don't mind a suggestion, then providing a link just saves you the effort of looking. The deck I listed, as I said has a similar mindset in the steal and accrue value strategy. Just reading the words does not force you into any decision. For the redundant suggestions, I must have overlooked those cards - it happens.

Ditching reanimator could be a good move for focus, although I feel that it a form of virtual advantage because the graveyard is like an extension of your hand .When you use reanimator you do gain extra value by cheating in big creatures for less investment. You get all the ETB, less of the cost. That's just my reasoning for keeping it in the deck, Feel free to replace it if you like.

If you decide to cut reanimator in favor of more 'control' and advantage - such as card advantage via theft, you could maybe look into a Beguiler of Wills, the Primordials I mentioned above, Lord of the Void, or Soul Ransom (which I see was cut recently). Sadistic Sacrament and Jester's Cap are some unconventional methods of control in that you can remove threats and win conditions before your opponent can draw them. Also, you may appreciate having Royal Assassin or Avatar of Woe as repeatable effects on bodies rather than one-offs. On that note Kira, Great Glass-Spinner is a repeatable counter for stuff that affects your creatures. Jace's Archivist is a reusable Windfall. I look at Wrexial as a Spelltwine on a fat stick.When I look for value, I think repetition.

Related to draw, I think that Jace, Memory Adept may be better for card advantage because of the extra draw. If you don't want to mill (and increase the effectiveness of your graveyard stealing) I can see why you might prefer AoT Jace. Minds Aglow is a fun, political card I found recently. Dimir Charm and other modals are fairly versatile and is like drawing multiple weaker cards at once.

For more board presence (advantage via tokens) you could possibly see if Undead Alchemist is useful. Mimic Vat is also good token advantage and abuses ETB.

Another suggestion (since you have many color intensive costs) is Chromatic Lantern. It fixes all of your lands and acts as a nice rock.

Hopefully this has been more useful than my last post. I tried to suggest things that are more value oriented this time.

ecmmyers on The Thief and the Knife (Help Wanted)

2 weeks ago

If you like, check out this Dimir deck with a similar mindset

Welcome to the Undercity Playtest

Commander / EDH ecmmyers



Also, I prefer Memory Plunder to Knowledge Exploitation. It works on the grave, but it converts any decent sorcery into instant speed and pays for kicker costs! Kicked Rite for 4, yes please. Plus great art for this deck.

Into the Roil doesn't tutor, but the mana cost is easier and it replaces itself. For this reason, I would rather use this over Clutch of the Undercity.

I might rather have Wrexial, the Risen Deep over Silent Blade Oni. The evasion is handy, he is one colored mana cheaper, and he steals from graves rather than hands, giving you a better selection usually. Admittedly, this won't deny your opponents their use of the card first unless you have a bit more mill, and that may mean too much to do at once.

Rewind is not 'free' since you have to keep 4 mana on hold to use it. You're better off with a different counter spell, maybe Remand or Psychic Strike.

I would say that Read the bones is worse than Lim-Dul's Vault because you can basically stack your deck, unless your playgroup runs shuffle hosing.

As a word of warning, if your opponent runs a Consecrated Sphinx (or steals yours) and plays it while your Notion Thief is out, you will deck yourself in an inescapable infinite combo.

I recommend Chasm Skulker for the cut list because your drawing options are fairly weak, 1-2 at a time and spread out. Maybe replace with a cheap clone like Phantasmal Image to cheat in an expensive creature.

A few other really good suggestions for these colors:
Mind Grind
Dimir Charm (Very useful- it counters Genesis Wave, kills Prophet of Kruphix, mills a couple cards if your opponent is running top manipulation)
Windfall (good discard and card advantage equalization if you fall behind)
Consuming Aberration is a great finisher.
Any of the Primordials like Sepulchral Primordial or Diluvian Primordial
Mimic Vat is great when you have a decent removal suite.

Thassa, God of the Sea helps get in some more evasion.

Propaganda is worse than No Mercy in my opinion because it protects from token swarms, and it prevents attacks from taking place in the first place rather than giving your opponent a chance to do lethal.

Gilded Lotus is a better mana source than Dimir Keyrune. I always found the keyrunes to be a little too slow, costing 3 and netting 1 per turn. You might even prefer Talisman of Dominance

Animate Dead or Necromancy is a little more vulnerable than Rise from the Grave, but it is cheaper.

Good luck developing this deck, it looks like fun!

DatMidrangePlayer on The best Modern Mill Deck to date.

1 month ago

Dorotheus Thanks! My placeholder card has been Dimir Charm, which has been swapped for Vapor Snag too on the odd occasion.

FAMOUSWATERMELON Thanks again sir! Also I've playtested this to some extent and have had zero losses in BO3 matches... So I guess the title is debatable, but I'm almost convinced :)

APPLE01DOJ on 2015-01-02 update of Grixis Cantroll

1 month ago

Maybe 1x Izzet Charm could be 1x Dimir Charm. Having a counter that serves as removal as well is pretty nice.

xlaleclx on Another 0 cost counter

1 month ago

It's a sideboard card for sure. Envelop and Dimir Charm both see a bit of sideboard play in legacy and this card would definitely replace both of them.

SasukeUchiha on Mill Your Mind Out

1 month ago

Mind Grind can easily be replaced by Mind Funeral since for 3 mana Mind Funeral does what Mind Grind takes 6 mana to do. Archive Trap is better than Traumatize when hard casting in 99% of your games, so you change one Traumatize for an Archive Trap. I might add one Creeping Tar Pit just to give you another win-con if mill doesn't work. I would personally change one Psychic Drain for a Jace, Memory Adept. To help deal with tron decks and man-lands, as well as trigger Archive Trap, you could add two Ghost Quarter. I would change two Cyclonic Rift for two Mana Leak since it is more useful to counter stuff in the early game than to return it to your opponents hand (unless you use Remand). I would also take out the other Traumatize and one Psychic Drain into some sort of card draw such as Inspiration, Jace's Ingenuity, or Think Twice. I would add Inquisition of Kozilek or Thoughtseize maybe take out two Dimir Charm, and one Tome Scour. These are just what I see would make the deck a lot more competitive, and run a lot more smooth.

uargaroth on Mono-Black Infect (Modern Competitive)

1 month ago

Have you considered splashing blue for Dimir Charm and Treasure Cruise? I think those cards are very powerful in the current modern meta. Also, I would play Darkblast over Disfigure, as it is repeatable and fills up your graveyard for Pike.

Color(s) Black Blue
Cost UB
Converted cost 2
Avg. draft pick 5.87
Avg. cube pick 3.17


Format Legality
Legacy Legal
Vintage Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Modern Legal
Duel Commander Legal

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Set Rarity
Gatecrash Uncommon
Promo Set Uncommon

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