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Return target creature to its owner's hand.
Surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
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Unexplained Disappearance Discussion
2 days ago
After playing this deck a bit, I learned a few things. Dimir Spybug is fantastic, cheap, gets big quickly, and is hard to block. Thoughtbound Phantasm is also good. A 2/2 for U is already good, and it gets big and loses defender quickly. Nightveil Sprite is the repeatable surveil trigger that makes them both shine.
Price of Fame is okay even without a legendary target, but only due to the surveil. Thought Erasure is well-costed, effective, and a great surveil card. Sinister Sabotage and Unexplained Disappearance are both good. Creeping Chill is okay, but only really if you cast it from the graveyard for free. Notion Rain is great, and has amazing artwork IMO. Not much to say about Sinister Sabotage, it is Cancel with surveil attached. Disinformation Campaign is disappointing without surveil in it, and Enhanced Surveillance is best limited to 2 per deck.
3 days ago
the problem is some of the spells in this brew cannot be used to its full potencial. Unexplained Disappearance for example is very limited in its use as opposed to what it should be. normally you can use it to protect one of your creatures, but you lose so much trying to save a beefy Dimir Spybug or Thoughtbound Phantasm, and it takes so long to build them into something strong that its just not worth it. Creeping Chill has to be in the deck or else Notion Rain and Doom Whisperer will just kill you. if you dont draw Creeping Chill its very risky to cast or use the those spells against red decks since they do a good enough job taking your lifepoints without you helping them. Dimir surveil can be very ying and yang, opposites trying to balance one another out. its a difficult deck to pilot, as no decision is an easy one.
4 days ago
If you can hold on long enough Tetzimoc, Primal Death is a guaranteed board wipe against decks. You'll hit six Creatures, and it can't be countered.
It's interesting that you mentioned draw. I tend to prefer ongoing draw in a deck like this, as opposed to a one off card that let you draw. I know it's a cliche at this point but Search for Azcanta Flip is very good at smoothing your draw, at the very least. I have played games where I haven't even bothered to flip it, or only flip it before I play another copy.
My final thought is that Disperse might be a better option than Unexplained Disappearance. You lose the Surveil but you gain more flexibility as to what you can bounce. A bounce and counter is very good against Indestrucitble Creatures.
4 days ago
Argy, i totally agree with you that aggro is this decks bane. im currently playtesting a playset of Golden Demise with some promising results. i consistently kill 2 creatures whenever i play it, since most aggro creatures have 1 or 2 toughness. i also took Notion Rain out since i found that in that specific matchup every single lifepoint counts, and you really cannot afford to spend your life on both Watery Grave and Notion Rain.
im currently trying to observe whether or not my card advantage takes too much of a hit from the removal of Notion Rain. I also have this idea in the back of my head of swapping out Golden Demise for Unexplained Disappearance, and adding another copy of Etrata, the Silencer, as there is this cute play where you bounce her after you exile the creature, and before you shuffle her back into your library. Additionally Unexplained Disappearance can also be used to bounce an opponent creature to slow them down. I have a feeling going that route will weaken the deck against aggro, which isnt an option, but i may end up playtesting it anyway. just depends on how solid of a card Golden Demise is in the lineup.
5 days ago
noncents it could, but to me it seems more like a more mana-expensive Unexplained Disappearance that surveils more. Now, tie that into a deck that's got Enhanced Surveillance in it with things that have effects similar to Creeping Chill in that you can mill-exile them, sure. Maybe throw in some Drowned Secrets to mill out your opponent and you might get somewhere that way. The only creature that I've got in here that's an ETB Surveil is Lazav, and he's more likely a fall-back plan because if I've lost a Doom Whisperer something has gone wrong. That being said, shapeshifting him into a Doom Whisperer has a benefit, it makes a Doom Whisperer that is immune to Cast Down.
xhuggels, absolutely, its more of a "I need some spare life here" kind of card. More often than not, its because I lean on the black mana view of life being an expendable resource if I need it to be, especially with the Surveil-Creeping Chill combo I have in here.
1 week ago
Hey! I love this deck and your description as well! My deck is really similar to this build. I am really intrigued about giving this deck a surveil theme though. Thoughtbound Phantasm seems really strong especially in combination with Nightveil Sprite which we run in this tempo deck anyway. And like you said, cards like Mission Briefing and Unexplained Disappearance seem nice as well. But what would you take out? I'd imagine to take out: 4x Mist-Cloaked Herald, 2x Exclusion Mage, 2x Wizard's Retort and take in: 4x Thoughtbound Phantasm, 2x Unexplained Disappearance, 2x Sinister Sabotage and somehow Mission Briefing as well. Maybe for Spell Pierce or Chart a Course? I could also see changing Chart a Course into Discovery / Dispersal.
What do you think? :)
1 week ago
-Arcanity- As for the CMC, I feel like that is skewed upwards by the deck builder counting Discovery/Dispersal as an 8 mana card. Unexplained Disappearance is going to get cut in favor of Price of Fame eventually, but a soft bounce has worked well so far. And this one is built completely around Surveil, if a spell doesn't surveil or receive a benefit from, it's not getting played.
Skyler1776 It's sided mostly because I don't plan on games going long enough for me to benefit from that, though I did want it available if I absolutely need it to close out later games. Additionally, Lazav needs target creatures in the yard in order for his ability to be used. Azcanta is definitely going to be considered though, even though I had originally planned this to be entirely in GRN in order to get as much continuous playability out of it, unaffected by rotation.
1 week ago
That's a nice one! I also played Dimir at prerelease and I absolutely love the archetype. I don't have the whole deck in paper yet, but I've got it in MTG Arena and I do have something to share with you (though the meta in Arena and in paper might slightly differ — so bear in might that what I say might be more relevant there).
Disinformation Campaign is an all-star. I play 3x, and 1x in sideboard for control matchups. As for the other enchantment - Enhanced Surveillance - I tried it, and the additional surveil is fine, but other than that it doesn't do much on the board and I decided to cut it entirely.
I also cut Barrier of Bones - best-case scenario is that they stop an opposing creature from dealing you damage once and then die. In that regard I find Unexplained Disappearance much better - it's an instant speed surveil trigger, and it can also remove a blocker standing before your 10/10 phantasm. Also, combined with Disinformation Campaign it becomes a 5-mana hard removal (return the creature to hand, surveil, disinformation campaign returns to your hand. play campaign for 3, the creature is discarded). I play all 4 of them and I there have never been a time I was disappointed to see it in my hand.
Thief of Sanity is just too good a card not to play it in this deck. It robs the opponent of their bombs and provides card advantage, and is a first-priority threat for them (so they waste their removal on the Thief instead of your Spybug). I suggest moving Nightveil Predator to sideboard - it's a good card against red and/or white, where the Thief dies to Shock or Seal Away, but it's too expensive to cast otherwise.
The same can be said about Sinister Sabotage - I find it very hard to play this deck without any countermagic, so I always run all 4 of them.
Dream Eater is scary, but eventually I opted for lower curve and faster tempo play with Unexplained Disappearance (and with that I could play fewer lands and more cards :) ). If you play tempo, Discover /Dispersal shines against planeswalkers or Carnage Tyrants you can't remove otherwise, but I'd suggest swapping one with an extra Price of Fame - simply because the latter triggers surveil.
What I found from playing this deck, is that you can fix your draws, but it is weak in card advantage. That's why I run 2x or 3x of Notion Rain, even though initially I was more inclined to cut it entirely. If you can get your hands on Search for Azcanta Flip, it can save your late game almost by itself.
Also, did you know that if you have a Phantasm or Spybug in your graveyard, you can transform your Lazav, the Multifarious the moment it comes to the battlefield, before its own ETB ability resolves - and put a +1/+1 counter on it from its own surveil?
As for sideboarding, Creeping Chill is superb against aggro, so I suggest playing all 4 copies. It is fine if you draw one or two - once you've both ran out of gas, you can alow to hard-cast it. Dead Weight is also a good sideboard card against half of the meta (and the fact that it can remove opposing Thief of Sanity is also extremely important).
And that seems to be all. Some of the suggestions are simply a matter of personal preference, but I hope that helps anyway :)
Have fun and good luck with your games!