Render Silent

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Render Silent

Instant

Counter target spell. Its controller can't cast spells this turn.

wallisface on Azorius Aggro-Control deck

3 weeks ago

Some thoughts:

  • Last time you started a thread about a deck, it was described as you wanting to make a deck more competitive, but when those suggestions came through you decided you'd rather the deck be casual than strong. Is this the same scenario, or are you legitimately looking for advice on making a strong control deck.

  • Azorius Conrtol already exists as a well-defined meta archetype, consistently hovering between 1-5% of the meta. There is an established deck list here

  • The kind of deck your describing (being aggressive while also controlling the board state) is basically what the current Murktide Regent lists do - deck here. I think it is going to be very hard to justify playing white over red in such an archetype, because red brings most of the aggression, but it's probably still achievable with some concessions.

Some thoughts on your current list specifically:

  • For the deck to work, you need to be running the minimum amount of creatures possible - between 12-15. Running more than this makes it too hard to control the board, and running less than this puts you at risk of not being able to threaten damage.

  • All the creatures you run need to be able to quickly close-out the game on their own. If you check the Murktide list linked above, you'll notice all of those creatures are able to dish out extreme pressure. So far, NONE of your creatures are even remotely threatening. You want to be playing creatures that can end the game fast and can do everything they need to by-themselves. You should really be playing cards like Murktide Regent, Ledger Shredder, Tishana's Tidebinder and Solitude/Subtlety instead of these extremely weak creatures.

  • Any number of Academy Ruins is excessive when you have no real reason to want to recur any of these artifacts.

  • 3 mana countermagic is always bad - there's no reason to run Render Silent especially when you still have room to play another Counterspell instead.

  • Assemble the Players is a terrible card and shouldn't be here.

  • you need waay more wawys to powerfully interact with cards that the opponent resolves - Oppressive Rays is too weak for this. You need cards like Prismatic Ending and Leyline Binding.

  • You are severely lacking in efficient draw. I would expect Preordain instead of Peek at a bare minimum.

Azoth2099 on [Rafiq of the Plenty] EDH

2 months ago

chubthrasher Yeah it's honestly busted lol. Angel's Grace & Trickbind are also pretty solid! Also I noticed you're running Render Silent, how do you feel about Dovin's Veto & Permission Denied?

Icbrgr on

7 months ago

I think 3 board wipes just feels right in control builds... but im also swarmed with aggro decks in my meta so if you feel that you can go lower than go for it! Im personally a big fan of Censor in general and Render Silent as a 3 mv slot pick but i see your Lotus Field dilemma. all in all i think this looks pretty good.

Icbrgr on

11 months ago

@TheoryCrafter Honestly I never thought of or knew about the interaction between Darksteel Citadel and Cleansing Wildfire; that sounds neat! I really like the Render Silent suggestion too.... but Ionize is actually really tempting too because of the lack of demand in its cost.

Thank you!

TheoryCrafter on

11 months ago

Have you considered just putting a full playset of Cleansing Wildfire into the deck? Combine this with Darksteel Citadel, the card draw and the ramp would be more effective than just the cycling lands. Especially since many of your spells and abilities have a mana cost of 4 or higher.

Other counterspells you may want to consider for this deck are Ionize and Render Silent.

I hope this helps. Happy Hunting!

amarthaler on EDH Arcades, the Strategist

1 year ago

Major update!

The deck has been running well when I draw the right cards, but stalls out or is clunky when I don't draw good cards. I think the best starting point to smooth the deck out is by reducing the amount of counterspells to open up room for smoother mana (in the form of mana rocks), spells that asymmetrically counteract something but benefit me, and some stronger walls that - although will cost more - will have better payoffs. That all being said, here's the ins/outs.

Out: An Offer You Can't Refuse... Wall of Vines... Stoneskin... Wall of Resistance... Treefolk Umbra... Mana Leak... Bane's Contingency... Wall of Stolen Identity... Vedalken Orrery... Wall of Ice... Render Silent

In: Heroic Intervention... Fog Bank... Snake Umbra... Wingmantle Chaplain... Brave the Sands... Talisman of Curiosity... Talisman of Unity... Talisman of Progress... Wall of Nets... Eerie Interlude... Champion's Helm

A lot of card swaps which we'll test out. Some may get reversed back in. That's the fun of developing a deck over time!

DawnsRayofLight on Ur Mama, Mother of Dragons

1 year ago

I definitely think Ancient Brass Dragon has a spot, it could help you reanimate your dragons (as well as whatever you grab from your opponents), I would maybe add that and maybe Goldspan Dragon

Three Visits and Nature's Lore over Cultivate.

Damn over Toxic Deluge

Augur of Autumn might be better than Realmwalker

Drop Aggravated Assault, Aura of Silence, Stinging Study (you have a good chunk of draw as it is), Imposing Grandeur, Spit Flame (there are better cards)

Mana Drain is nice, but I am usually not a fan of it in a deck with 4 or more colors

With this being 5 color, I am trying to debate the best early game package

maybe:

5 counterspells (from below)

An Offer You Can't Refuse, Swan Song, Wash Away, Dovin's Veto, Counterflux, Render Silent, Disallow

4-5 board wipes

Damn, Cyclonic Rift, Winds of Abandon, Supreme Verdict, Crux of Fate

7 2 drop ramps (need all)

Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Farseek, Three Visits, Nature's Lore, Bloom Tender, Coiling Oracle,

4 spot removal

Anguished Unmaking, Assassin's Trophy, Despark, Beast Within, Generous Gift, Fracture, Bedevil, Abrupt Decay

wallisface on

1 year ago

Some thoughts:

  • 80 cards is waay too many cards, you should always be aiming to play a deck of 60. Anything above this number just leads to massive consistency issues. Try to get rid of a bunch of cards to get back to this 60 number.

  • Your land count needs revisiting. Scaling this to a 60 card deck, you're only running 20.25 lands, which is very, very low (Burn decks run 19 lands and only play cards costing 1-2 mana). When you reduce your deck to 60 cards, I think you still need to ensure you have a land count of 23ish lands.

  • Your mana curve is waay too high. Modern decks typically can't justify running more than 3-4 cards at 4-mana, you've got a whopping 10 cards costing this much. Look to lower your mana curve.

  • You're running a bunch of really poor card choices. For example, you've got a bunch of really average/poor countermagic (Render Silent, Ionize, Essence Backlash, Absorb) when you could be running some obviously-better cards (i.e. Counterspell). Other bad options include Ugin's Conjurant, which is just a strictly worse Endless One, and The Wanderer, which is just really niche (only really affects really-slow-red decks).

  • Some of your cards are nonbos with each other. For example, you have some high mana sorcery cards (Clear the Mind, Divination) which when cast will prevent you using any meaningful countermagic. Control decks typically want to keep their defenses/options up during the opponents turn.

I think currently your list feels really disjointed - it's lacking focus. I would suggest trying to get down to 60 cards, upgrade the bad card choices, and try to apply more focus to what you're trying to do - currently it feels like there are too many cards that don't forward your gameplan.

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