Creature — Elf Druid
Tap: Add an amount of (Green) to your mana pool equal to Viridian Joiner's power.
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Viridian Joiner Discussion
2 weeks ago
Interesting topic Ramble, I've been meaning to respond for the last day or two but have just been super busy, but let me provide a mana base formula I stumbled on a few years back after noticing a pattern in my deck building - might be something to try out and see if you find similar results, as I find it's very rare to get either flooded or mana screwed using this formula. I'll provide a couple of examples as well - more for the casual-competitive decks, as my cEDH decks don't always follow the formula as rigorously.
The basic formula for mana-producing lands is: Starting base of 30 mana-producing lands, plus additional lands equal to the CMC of your commander, plus additional lands equal to the average CMC of the deck, minus designated values for each mana rock, mana dork, mana spell and draw spell equal to or less than the CMC of the commander.
The first example is for my Zada, Hedron Grinder deck: Yada...Yada...Zada. In this case, the formula is 30 + 4CMC (commander) + 2.28 average CMC, or 36.28. I then subtract designated values for the following cards in the deck: -1.0 for Mana Crypt, -0.5 for Sol Ring (or any other 0 or 1 CMC rock), -0.25 for Thought Vessel (or any other 2 or 3 CMC rock), Battle Hymn, Brightstone Ritual, Traitorous Greed and Dockside Extortionist, and finally -0.10 for each of the draw spells in the deck: Accelerate, Boiling Blood, Crimson Wisps, Expedite, Fists of Flame, Stun and Renegade Tactics for a total reduction of 3.45 and a final value of 32.83 (rounded up to 33).
The second example includes a more aggressive reduction in mana-producing lands based on my Elf tribal Marwyn, the Nurturer deck: Elves Tap and Slap (Marwyn Tribal Counters). The formula here is 30 + 3CMC (commander) + 2.64 average CMC, or 35.64. I then subtract for the following cards: -0.50 for Sol Ring, -0.25 for Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, Gyre Sage, Incubation Druid, Llanowar Elves, Llanowar Visionary, Priest of Titania, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Viridian Joiner, Wood Elves, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Rhonas's Monument, Gaea's Touch and Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. Finally, I subtract -0.10 for Elvish Visionary, Llanowar Visionary and Inspiring Call for a total reduction of 5.30 and a final value of 30.34 (rounded down to 30).
Although the reduction values could be considered a little arbitrary in certain deck concepts, this formula has held pretty accurate since I started keeping track of it. I hope you find this useful in the future, and happy brewing.
2 months ago
Cool deck! Nothing beats smashing face. You might like these: Wild Beastmaster, Overwhelming Stampede, Syr Faren, the Hengehammer, Knollspine Dragon, Unleash Fury, Rabble-Rouser, Cultivator of Blades, Berserkers' Onslaught, Gratuitous Violence, Angrath's Marauders, Ilysian Caryatid, Viridian Joiner, Invigorate, Strionic Resonator, Polyraptor, Druid's Call
2 months ago
Glimpse of Nature is a classic elf combo card and could be good here. Here are some others you might like: Chord of Calling, Wirewood Channeler, Viridian Joiner, Elvish Guidance, Skyshroud Poacher, Vanquisher's Banner, Solidarity of Heroes, Wren's Run Packmaster, Genesis Wave, Tooth and Nail, Woodland Bellower, Elvish Spirit Guide, Wild Growth, Shamanic Revelation, Elvish Promenade, Coat of Arms, Hardened Scales
2 months ago
Love seeing budget builds! +1 from me!
Rancor is always a good shout in Green for recursive trample and a sweet +2 power, especially when it comes to things like Syr Faren which have power matters effects.
Dragonscale Boon has that sweet untap effect, so you you could always add in similar effects like Vitalize/Mobilize, Stony Strength/Burst of Strength, Synchronized Strike or Instill Energy to really take advantage of Thriss' effect and those similar to it.
3 months ago
ez Kenrith's Transformation every time, you know it broken.
Phantasmal Image is obviously dope and powerful but nonbos with volrath?
Viridian Joiner is cute if you have an interest in tapping volrath for 7 green mana?
6 months ago
6 months ago
Guess I should of given more recommendations; so you're right the mantle is dead without priest. However, there are a few cards that offer a bit of redundancy making it much more worthwhile.
Marwyn, the Nurturer *with 4+ power
Viridian Joiner *after 1 activation
Bloom Tender *this one is still way out of budget but definitely works
Additionally, if you end up adding more of an elf package Leyline of Abundance is some epic tech that I've greatly enjoyed.
I was unaware that Dramatic Scepter had gone up that much it use to be like 5 dollars; I saw the 710-780 price tag on the deck and thought that it would be fine; but if it's not within the limitations that's understandable.
So, without the scepter the ceiling for Dramatic Reversal becomes much lower; now that there's no inevitable combo. However, I wouldn't say its actively bad. Decks like selvala and urza use cards like this in a pinch as a ritual; (not saying this is optimal but it's an applocation) though netting a positive requires you to already be relatively established on board but getting off a few extra tasigur activations in a turn could warrant some play testing at least.
Typically, Seasons Past is played in conjunction with cards like Wilderness Reclamation and Seedborn Muse to be able to interact on the following turns after recurring all the value. they're relatively budget right now and can definitely help in grinder games.
Lastly, Freed from the Reel is kinda a popular way to net infinite mana in pauper edh with Arbor Elf and Wild Growth on an island. Though almost any land enchantment could be used too for redundancy like Utopia Sprawl.
6 months ago
Just wanted to add a note on Viridian Joiner and Umbral Mantle, you still need a Lord or Ezuri to pump him up for infinite mana (making him a 4/5+ instead of a 3/4). Viridian Joiner + Umbral Mantle nets you 0 mana.
Love the deck, though! It's hard to find Elves not killed off outright so glad your deck acts as a counter to typical Elf boards.