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Chariot of Victory
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike, trample, and haste.
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Chariot of Victory Discussion
3 months ago
Since you run Karametra, God of Harvests, have you considered Rhonas the Indomitable? Any Cat + Eminence = Rhonas the Indomitable can attack! 5/5 deathtouch, indestructible that can give trample to your Voltron cat! That's tempo.
Hammer of Nazahn is key to a Voltron strategy, especially the Bloodforged Battle-Axe. I would run an Eladamri's Call to pull Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith who can pull Hammer of Nazahn to the battlefield. It can also pull a Dryad Arbor as a modular / ramp spell too.
With so many artifacts you need a Puresteel Paladin, 1) He draws you a card when you play an artifact, that is amazing 2) He makes equip costs ! 3) With Leonin Shikari you can manipulate equipment at will. Add an Ancient Den and Tree of Tales gives you 2 more artifacts that you play as lands to get to the metalcraft on Puresteel Paladin. Sigarda's Aid also enables Voltron.
Parallel Lives (like Anointed Procession) is a CMC4 Doubling Season, won't double Fleecemane Lion monstrosity, but thats such a small sacrifice for the mana. There's also Primal Vigor but it's the same CMC as Doubling Season anyway.
Path to Exile is an awesome removal and a modular ramp if you need it as well (and have a creature).
Skyhunter Skirmisher is a nice built-in Doublestrike, which is awesome with equipments (especially ones with trample), but he does have a High CMC.
Sword of Light and Shadow and the protection: makes it so you can't use the Eminence ability on the equipped creature. Maybe worth it for the recursion but keep that in mind.
I really dislike Sword of Vengeance, I've read all the articles on it, I don't think the equip makes this viable. I'd almost always rather have a Chariot of Victory in most cases, or in this case probably a Umezawa's Jitte.
Lost Leonin is a nice cat, with Ajani, Caller of the Pride + Eminence he eliminates a player with 10 infect. I personally use other Doublestrike enablers like Silverblade Paladin and Berserk + several other creature tutors to try and get him off quite early. Understand if you don't like the infect mechanic, but I would think about him, with Eminence he's a 2-turn timer as well.
Steelshaper's Gift can help get some consistency on pulling Swiftfoot Boots or the such to your hand. Lightning Greaves also doesn't work with the Eminence trigger, I decided the upside of the equip wasn't worth the Shroud. Also once you put a Lightning Greaves onto a cat, you can't equip anything else to it (due to shroud). If you have another creature you can Equip it off then Equip the other Equip, then Re-Equip it for , but leaves him unprotected for a second, and requires control of a second creature. When your playing Voltron, you usually don't have a bunch, but maybe you have tokens. Just thought I would mention anyway.
Stoneforge Mystic is amazing, on a similar note Stonehewer Giant requires an immediate response too. I've found him a high threat level, and once out I'm just pulling solutions, like: Protection from , Trample, Lifelink, Deathtouch, Etc, whatever is needed to overcome the current blocking / board position, instant speed, and instant equip. Doesn't get much better than that!
I'd have to confirm, but I don't think Nacatl War-Pride extra tokens enter attacking, I think they just double the tokens but lose the attacking. They doubled ones may stay though, but might be exiled still, I would look into it. If they don't attack and don't stay, I'm not sure I would run him.
Not sure Ajani Unyielding is worth the mana cost, but, he does draw cards which is never a bad thing.
With more tutors, I found that I don't need to run both Behemoth Sledge and Loxodon Warhammer because instead I could just always tutor Loxodon Warhammer when I would have drawn Behemoth Sledge to get more consistent use of the more powerful equipments. But you've got some mass mana ramping going on here might not matter.
5 months ago
Some stuff to think about, I've found Ancient Den + Tree of Tales has allowed me to equip 1-turn earlier three times now (in all the games i've played), doesn't sound fantastic, but it's pretty good. Have to balance that against things like Sunpetal Grove and Fortified Village, but in my build usually have no mana sourcing issues.
I notice you settled on 37 lands, you definitely have more utility (like Maze of Ith and Strip Mine and Thawing Glaciers) where they are removal not lands, I settled on 35 lands, but don't have any non-mana utility lands either, so wer're about the same.
Wooded Foothills and Flooded Strand are some relatively (there still lands!) inexpensive fetch lands, they could replace some of the ETB Tapped lands you run. Also, I find the fetches de-saturate the lands, so drawing later in the game, you draw less lands due to hypergeometric probability, which often slow you down in late game, but still mana fix earlier on. Ash Barrens does this too. You might find too, with fewer ETB tapped, you go 0.5 - 1 turn faster.
I would have to agree with Hybrow about Sword of Vengeance, but also agree with you about Chariot of Victory. Here's what my initial thought was, for that Vigilance and +2 power, are you REALLY searching/fetching it? Like really really? If I need haste, I'm pulling Swiftfoot Boots because it comes with Hexproof, if I need Trample i'd probably rather pull a Loxodon Warhammer gives me +1 more power, I understand it doesn't give the first strike which provides sustainability, but it creates more sustainability in multi-player with the lifelink. Cats don't really block because they don't have the Eminence? If you have a big cat with lots of equipment it's cool, but are your winning because you have a big swinging cat (possibly with lifelink) or are you winning because you are defending with likely a ground walking cat that also likely already has double strike? Double strike > First strike. I dunno, it's a good equipment, for the cost give me lifelink, or infect Grafted Exoskeleton. I bet if you evaluate, with all the other awesome equipment in this deck, it's very very low on the pecking order for tutoring.
I'm trying out Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip over Cultivate right now, trying to figure out if the 1 less land, is worth the potential for drawing an extra card each turn once flipped, or the potential for blocked damage (but what is a ground walking 2/2 really blocking of significance).
Eladamri's Call only costs you mana and gives you more consistency on pulling/playing the same creature each game. Because it's hand, doesn't cost you a card.
Path to Exile is awesome removal, can also be used as a mana ramp / fetch, you'd actually be suprised how many times I do it.
Saffi Eriksdotter (good recursion/protection on his own, without anything else), add a Sun Titan and they can protect each other. Throw in a Greater Good which is also good draw on it's own with eminence, and you can basically have a huge hand, tutor the cards you need for the win, etc. Makes a really nice interaction, and protection. All 3 cards aren't dead draws on their own either. Just a thought. I know he's not a cat. Also works with Fiend Hunter (kind of) but doesn't give that 6 card draw from the Sun Titan like Saffi Eriksdotter does so I don't like it.
I hadn't thought about Nylea's Emissary either, adding him to my maybeboard too, have to think about him first lol. His bestow is just so expensive, only challenge to overcome. CMC 4 for a 3/3 trample isn't THAT far off the mark though, and late game he can bestow +3/+3 and trample, and then turn into a 3/3 trample afterwards. I'm just not sure.
I took Sensei's Divining Top out, what!!!, I have it in every commander deck, BUT I ALWAYS tutor Sylvan Library and feels like duplication of work with both out. That derpy dreidel though, have you had similar experiences where it just wan't effective or a dead draw later in the game?
Anyways really awesome, always looking and stealing your ideas!
5 months ago
To maximize the Torment of Hailfire, Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar seem appropriate with so many tokens.
Gitrog decks usually run a combo of Skirge Familiar and Dakmor Salvage for a huge finisher of Torment of Hailfire Exsanguinate. Dakmor Salvage is a Gitrog staple on its own merit, even without the combo.
Ramunap Excavator for a second Crucible of Worlds, redundancy in the key cards is your friend.
Instead of Dagger of the Worthy I's advise any equipment that gives first strike because of Gitrog's deathtouch, specially if it's one of the equipments that also gives trample: Bladed Pinions, Chariot of Victory, Sword of Vengeance.
5 months ago
Hybrow I put in Prowler's Helm & cut Whispersilk Cloak for the same reason I cut Lightning Greaves: because of the shroud. Makes it too difficult to equip with other equipment & renders Eminence useless. I cut Sword of Feast and Famine & Sword of Light and Shadow for the same reason (protection from white/green). Thanks for the suggestions though! I have thought about Nacatl War-Pride before, but he just seems too costly mana-wise.. of he was 3G, instead of 3GGG, then I would play him, but I cut all the really high CMC cats & it plays better with the lower curve; the only creatures I kept over 6-CMC are Felidar Sovereign, Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith, Raksha Golden Cub, and Sun Titan. Qasali Ambusher just doesn't have enough of an impact to make a slot in EDH- I'd rather pay some mana for some good keywords or abilities. I hadn't considered Nylea's Emissary or Chariot of Victory before.. I think Nylea's Emissary is ALMOST worth it if I consider it a 6/6 Trampler for 3G (because the Eminence), but the fact that it gets taken out by enchantment-hate means everyone probably has an answer for it when it becomes their problem. Prowler's Helm is still my favorite way to get damage through, but I also have Rancor, Rogue's Passage, Sword of Fire and Ice, Sword of Vengeance, and Ahrabo's 2nd ability. Chariot of Victory might be better the Sword of Vengeance in some decks because of the Equip1, but I have at least 4 ways to cheat on equip costs (Stonehewer Giant, Sigarda's Aid, Hammer of Nazahn, Puresteel Paladin, etc), and things to tutor for those ways, so I think I'll stick with the additional +2/0 and vigilance. Thanks for the feedback, though!
Hybrow on WonderCats
5 months ago
I have cat tribal as well. Super fun and fast its one of my favorite decks right now. Thundercats Ho! - Arahbo EDH . I would recommend a few cards to add:
Nacatl War-Pride - works great, can only be blocked by one creature, and will wipe out any token deck.
Nylea's Emissary - the trample is great, its a bit pricey mana wise, but i find that the hardest thing is getting through that one pumped up creature.
Qasali Ambusher - is a free cat for the most part.. dont have to block with him when you flash him in, but get him for free then attack with him next turn.
Whispersilk Cloak - super cheap way to get your biggest bad guy through for a hit.
Chariot of Victory - again the trample is great. The first strike and haste are bonuses too. Make sure that that big guy is going to live
Hope these help... if you only take one if these suggestions, i would take a close look at the War Pride. Its a beast in a cat deck
6 months ago
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Avoid Fate is a charming card but at the end of the day any other instant that gives Hexproof or Shroud is better because will also work against sorceries and abilities. My favorites: Sylvan Safekeeper, Blossoming Defense, Heroic Intervention and Vines of Vastwood. On the other hand Sheltering Word may be good in your deck with huge creatures.
Vorrac Battlehorns do you really want that bad to be blocked by only one creature? I consider an upgrade to it Loxodon Warhammer, O-Naginata, Horned Helm (instant attaching, yay!) or Chariot of Victory
Homeward Path is another staple, you dont want your guys controlled or reanimated.
Sprouting Phytohydra is another creature I like but you don't seem to be able to capitalize on it in your deck. You already have many big guys on the ground to block whatever they send you. I know it's a deck of hydras but this guy underperforms.
Don't flyers give you a hard time? In my meta I would be kill with flyers with this deck almost every time. With all your mana production Silklash Spider is an auto include, Whirlwind is more efficient but one use only, World Breaker is a decent body with reach with built in disruption and recursion, you may also want to include a single Wastes so you can ramp it if you happen to need the diamond mana, but you dont seem to run land ramp. Speaking about land ramp, do you know Traverse the Outlands?
Tutors are awesome but there is a thing such as too many tutors. The only really crucial creatures to tutor into the Battlefield from the Library are Vorinclex and the Ulvenwald Hydra. Hydras dont like to be cheated into the battlefield because most of them have X in their cost and when you cheat them to the battlefield they enter as 0/0 and die. Therefore, a tribal tutor such as Kindred Summons works poorly with this tribe. If you check a top mono green commander deck such as Daruid: Seton-Storm you will see he only runs like 8 tutors and that's a pure mana production deck, all his druids tap for at leas one green mana because of his commander..Id try to go for more card draw and recursion instead. Seasons Past is quite nice.
6 months ago
The first card that comes to mind is Yahenni, Undying Partisan; it's a step toward the speed problem and not enough fatty problem, and fits the sac theme if you decide that. Sometimes to speed up your game, you have to slow down your opponent with Frozen AEther, Urabrask the Hidden, Baral's Expertise (which speeds you up as well), Vandalblast, Static Orb, etc. Beside that, there's ramp and sneaking in cards to really speed up your game. Consider Sneak Attack or Quicksilver Amulet, Deathrender or Clone Shell; also consider rocks like Commander's Sphere, Dreamstone Hedron, Hedron Archive, Heartstone/ Carnival of Souls for unearth, Semblance Anvil and Nightscape Familiar. There's also cards that help your opponent as well, but if you've more value it could work: Mana Flare, Dream Halls, Braids, Conjurer Adept.
Situations where you're in a stahlwart, loosing, and have huge problems, are different from situation where you're at parity and have equal footing. At parity, card advantage and evasion rule. Chariot of Victory and Haunted Cloak, Archetype of Endurance/ Archetype of Aggression/ Filth/ Wonder/ Brawn, Hot Soup/ Deepfathom Skulker/ Whispersilk Cloak, maybe Trailblazer's Boots or Prowler's Helm, all of these can help close a game. This deck needs much more draw, especially with some discard outlets you have. Cards like Arcanis/ Humble Defector (good unearth target), Skullclamp, The Immortal Sun, Harvester of Souls, Phyrexian Arena, Divination/ Faithless Looting/ Concentrate, Chandra, Flamecaller, Open Into Wonder. If you're loosing, usually board wipes are the best answer. Black Sun's Zenith, Toxic Deluge, Archfiend of Depravity, Perilous Vault/ Worldfire, All Is Dust, all for dealing with indestructible. You could also add some fatties or deathtouchers like Taurean Mauler, Consuming Aberration, Scourge of Geier Reach, Nighthowler, Ophiomancer, Ogre Slumlord.
It's rather hard to suggest versatile cards without answering direct metas, do you have any specific cards or strategies giving you trouble right now?
For general versatility, there's Rakdos Charm/ Rampaging Ferocidon, Gravepurge/ Footbottom Feast to protect your graveyard, which is rather important in this deck, Thief of Blood/ Vampire Hexmage for atraxa/ planeswalkers. For a combo heavy meta, there's Time Stop/ Summary Dismissal, Torpor Orb/ Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, Praetor's Grasp/ Sadistic Sacrament to extract combo pieces. Stranglehold, Defense Grid/ Wild Ricochet (which is a counterspell) for control decks. Clever Impersonator or Phyrexian Metamorph adds a bunch of versatility, maybe some tutors to directly answer something.
For this deck, I would reinforce your themes of mill, reanimation, and draw, and probably add more ramp and board wipes. I personally like ETB/ death triggers over big 'uns and tokens, so that's going to heavily influence my opinion. If you were to go wide, you could add threaten effects and Faerie Artisans to sac them, you could add Genesis Chamber/ Grave Titan/ Wurmcoil Engines/ Spawning Pit for tokens, Dragon Throne of Tarkir for combat tricks. Also, to make the deck stronger, I could point out some of the weaker cards. Like Worn Powerstone, I'd rather add Hedron Archive or Dreamstone Hedron; Star Compass is OK, but I wanted to point it out because it doesn't fix your colors, I'd suggest Realmwright to unearth/ Fellwar Stone; Spell Pierce is not too good in my opinion as is way too easy to pay, I'd rather have Mental Misstep/ Foil; Death's Approach can be replaced with Snuff Out, Sudden Death, Sickening Shoal with all the big creatures you have. You made a lot of good picks though, like Teferi's Veil, Flayer of the Hatebound, Stitch Together, etc., those are rather strong in my opinion.
If I had the commanders or strategies you're facing I think I could answer better, but I hope this helps you take step towards a stronger deck! I'm always here
7 months ago
this deck looks fun but having 4 HHO's is a bit much. drop it to 2. 3 if you really need it. plus you have nothing to protect them from say, being exiled. toss in a pair or two of Swiftfoot Boots. and Elespeth is too heavy for your mana cost. you'll never get her out in time. plus Rule of Law screws you over as well. if you get out a HHO you won't be able to protect it in the same turn. so drop those three cards plus 1 HHO to add in the two Boots and some sort of equipment with Deathtouch. i'd recommend Basilisk Collar so you gain life as you slap your opponent's creatures. for the last spot, mmmmm.......... Chariot of Victory a HHO with Vigilance, First Strike, Trample, and Haste is nasty piece of work. add the Deathtouch and Lifelink from the Basilisk Collar and you got an unstoppable HHO. and best of all nothing costs more than 4 mana so it will become a very fast deck too.