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Tainted Isle Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic, nice deck description :)
I suggest you focus on upgrading the manabase before you make any other changes to the deck. If you want more efficiency in game play then you need a more efficient manabase. The manabase is really bad, other than a few lands, but when you're at the point in deck building when you're adding Guildgates and lands like Submerged Boneyard then stop, take a step back and ponder/research card choices for lands improvements more than anything else. Try to reduce the amount of lands that ETB tapped because with Zombies you don't want to get bogged down from playing your early game Zombies because of these lands.
- Tainted Isle
- Tainted Field
- Isolated Chapel
- Drowned Catacomb
- Sunken Hollow
- Underground River
- Caves of Koilos
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Concealed Courtyard
The Tainted lands, the Check lands and Sunken have interaction with basic lands (Swamps) making them good additions to the manabase because Swamps should make up the majority of the manabase.
Varina is a four drop who requires in her casting cost the two splash colors of the manabase because of this consider adding some two drop mana rocks to possibly help to cast her in the early game? Adding two Signets (Dimir Signet, Orzhov Signet) and two Talismans (Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress) can help. Later on in the game if you don't need these rocks then you can simply discard them to pay for Varina's ability and then they can be used as fodder to exile to make Zombies.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Your deck looks like very good, I also have a Gisa and Geralf Commander deck and I like it a lot. So, I can give some suggestion based in the deck that a use:
As mass removal that I like is Kindred Dominance, You choose zombie and kill the others, it's very nice for tribal decks
Some other good suggestions: Skullclamp, liliana, death's majesty, Forgotten Creation, Graveborn Muse,... and of course Cyclonic Rift, I consider a must have card in all commanders deck that uses blue, Damnation can wait (I'm not use it too)
2 months ago
Hey man, I've been running a deck like this myself, and a couple of points I've been learning while building:
1.) Don't be afraid to use Scarab God's second ability. Ik you're looking to exile as few creatures as possible, but it's way better to use it and cast something like Overseer of the Damned, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Phyrexian Ingester, or Sidisi, Undead Vizier (all of which are great in a UB grave deck). If you can, use other recursion spells first before using this ability, but overall don't be afraid to use it.
2.) Milling is key. Last game I played I dropped a Mesmeric Orb turn 2 and was turning everyone's grave into my own personal toolbox, stealing stuff like Eternal Witness to grab recursion spells back to my hand for even more use.
3.) Graveyard tutoring is important. Cards like Buried Alive and Entomb can drop important cards into the grave to be used by Scarab God, Victimize, Dread Return, Living Death, Unburial Rites, and Ever After, all of which have been powerhouses combined with Buried and Entomb.
4.) Add a couple more board wipes and exile effects to deal with problem creatures on the board. Damnation is a great start, but add a couple more just in case. My personal favorite so far has been Living Death which for SG decks is a total game ender most of the time. Life's Finale acts as a way to tutor up our opponents' creatures while clearing the board, and if you really want to piss off your entire group throw a Cyclonic Rift in there to completely finish everyone off.
5.) I'd recommend upgrading the landbase, which can actually be done in EDH for pretty cheap. Slow fetches, Terramorphic Expanse as a second Wilds, Battlelands ( Sunken Hollow in UB), Tainted Isle, River of Tears are all great duals that work well in EDH. Don't be afraid to play a tapped dual every so often since EDH doesn't really rely on speed most of the time (unless your meta is more aggro than anything). It might be a good idea to check out something like Mutavault too to add to your zombie count.
I've got a semi-budget build going on here: ( Toolbox of the Dead ) if you want to check it out. I'm not a great EDH player by any means, but I've definitely been seeing better results with some of the changes I've made by shifting more from zombie tribal -> ETB centric.
So yeah, hopefully some of this helps out.
3 months ago
On looking into things further I see that Tainted Isle and the other tainted lands are not modern legal.
3 months ago
Thanks for the suggestions, magicsheep. The first thing that jumps out at me is that 6/24 lands that definitely come into play tapped is not good. As I transition this to modern I'll fix the mana base by adding in pain lands, tainted lands, and more check lands. If I continue to enjoy playing the deck I'll get a few fetches and shocks as budget permits.
One suggestion that was made on reddit that sounds interesting is to get rid of the red and go UB zombies. That would make the mana base easier, and much cheaper, to fix well: 4xUnderground River, 4xDrowned Catacomb, 4xTainted Isle, and some basics. I like the 1 CMC suggestions you made and they would fit in well here. I could still keep my zombie creatures, but could add in Diregraf Captain, Diregraf Colossus, or Cryptbreaker (maybe all three). I would likely want to add another The Scarab God and take out River's Rebuke in favor of one or more Cyclonic Rift. Thoughts on this idea of going Blue/Black?
5 months ago
Hey, great looking budget Commander deck.
Windfall seem quite good here getting Zombies into the graveyard for Scarab and drawing cards. Consider upgrading Darksteel Ingot with Coalition Relic? It's $5 and still going down; it was just reprinted in Masters 25. Counterspell is going to be hard to cast, any card really. I don't think you need Counterspell because the only thing you really need to counter are exile effects of your creatures or graveyard. Arcane Denial and Negate can do this and only have one blue in their CCs, which is a big difference.
Consider including some more budget Dimir dual lands:
Carrion Feeder is a good one drop Zombie as a no cost sac outlet who can pump itself especially with Gravecrawler. Noxious Ghoul is pretty amazing with Zombie tribal this guy can scare all your opponents and wrecks tokens. Nightscape Familiar can reduce the CMCs of quite a few cards here especially Scarab.
Good luck with your deck.
6 months ago
I have an Inalla deck myself that exploits creatures that tap for effects. A very different build than yours, but strong and fun nonetheless. Take a look if you'd like an unconventional take on this commander.
With that said, I see a couple of issues with how your deck is built and what your overall gameplan is. I do not know your budget so some suggestions may not be things you'd buy, but they would certainly greatly improve the deck's functionality, and, I promise to keep these to a minimum as well as avoid any Black Lotus kind of stupidity.
First and foremost, although your land count is perfect your mana base is slow. And I mean SUPER slow! Almost 40% of your lands enter the battlefield tapped and this is the last thing a control deck wants. You aim to be reactive and keeping as many resources up at all times is very important. Try to replace most of those taplands with others that enter untapped. A relatively budget-friendly option is the pain lands (i.e. Underground River, Sulfurous Springs, and Shivan Reef). Add more basics to enable more of your check-lands to come untapped. Choked Estuary and Foreboding Ruins both are good, relatively cheap alternatives, so are Tainted Isle, Tainted Peak, Smoldering Marsh, and Sunken Hollow. Unclaimed Territory and Ancient Ziggurat are good considerations, while Riptide Laboratory can give a lot of extra utility. Focus on lands that produce blue mana, as that is the central color of your deck.
After lands, comes ramping into more resources. Again focusing on Blue the most can be important. You have some decent pieces here but I would consider a few more. Thaumatic Compass Flip and Journeyer's Kite are underplayed cards that can streamline a deck's mana by allowing consistent land drops. If you can, investing in a Chromatic Lantern will solve a lot of problems a lot of the time.
What a control deck wants to be is reactive. As such these suggestions are very strong for this kind of decks and if you can I would invest in getting them first: Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation are some of the strongest cards in M:TG. These suggestions will help streamline the deck.
The last thing I've noticed is that your deck lacks focus and a clear path to victory. Look for more cheap wizards that have disruptive etb abilities like AEther Adept and Sedraxis Alchemist, or, card filtering ones like Omenspeaker and Augur of Bolas. Pit Keeper is another nice addition to any wizard deck.
As for cuts, I would go for Control Magic, Clone Legion, Magus of the Abyss, Vela the Night-Clad, and Yahenni, Undying Partisan as they don't particullarly advance the decks goal in any significant manner.
I hope you find this (incredibly long post) useful.