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Tainted Isle Discussion
5 days ago
On looking into things further I see that Tainted Isle and the other tainted lands are not modern legal.
5 days ago
Thanks for the suggestions, magicsheep. The first thing that jumps out at me is that 6/24 lands that definitely come into play tapped is not good. As I transition this to modern I'll fix the mana base by adding in pain lands, tainted lands, and more check lands. If I continue to enjoy playing the deck I'll get a few fetches and shocks as budget permits.
One suggestion that was made on reddit that sounds interesting is to get rid of the red and go UB zombies. That would make the mana base easier, and much cheaper, to fix well: 4xUnderground River, 4xDrowned Catacomb, 4xTainted Isle, and some basics. I like the 1 CMC suggestions you made and they would fit in well here. I could still keep my zombie creatures, but could add in Diregraf Captain, Diregraf Colossus, or Cryptbreaker (maybe all three). I would likely want to add another The Scarab God and take out River's Rebuke in favor of one or more Cyclonic Rift. Thoughts on this idea of going Blue/Black?
2 months ago
Hey, great looking budget Commander deck.
Windfall seem quite good here getting Zombies into the graveyard for Scarab and drawing cards. Consider upgrading Darksteel Ingot with Coalition Relic? It's $5 and still going down; it was just reprinted in Masters 25. Counterspell is going to be hard to cast, any card really. I don't think you need Counterspell because the only thing you really need to counter are exile effects of your creatures or graveyard. Arcane Denial and Negate can do this and only have one blue in their CCs, which is a big difference.
Consider including some more budget Dimir dual lands:
Carrion Feeder is a good one drop Zombie as a no cost sac outlet who can pump itself especially with Gravecrawler. Noxious Ghoul is pretty amazing with Zombie tribal this guy can scare all your opponents and wrecks tokens. Nightscape Familiar can reduce the CMCs of quite a few cards here especially Scarab.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
I have an Inalla deck myself that exploits creatures that tap for effects. A very different build than yours, but strong and fun nonetheless. Take a look if you'd like an unconventional take on this commander.
With that said, I see a couple of issues with how your deck is built and what your overall gameplan is. I do not know your budget so some suggestions may not be things you'd buy, but they would certainly greatly improve the deck's functionality, and, I promise to keep these to a minimum as well as avoid any Black Lotus kind of stupidity.
First and foremost, although your land count is perfect your mana base is slow. And I mean SUPER slow! Almost 40% of your lands enter the battlefield tapped and this is the last thing a control deck wants. You aim to be reactive and keeping as many resources up at all times is very important. Try to replace most of those taplands with others that enter untapped. A relatively budget-friendly option is the pain lands (i.e. Underground River, Sulfurous Springs, and Shivan Reef). Add more basics to enable more of your check-lands to come untapped. Choked Estuary and Foreboding Ruins both are good, relatively cheap alternatives, so are Tainted Isle, Tainted Peak, Smoldering Marsh, and Sunken Hollow. Unclaimed Territory and Ancient Ziggurat are good considerations, while Riptide Laboratory can give a lot of extra utility. Focus on lands that produce blue mana, as that is the central color of your deck.
After lands, comes ramping into more resources. Again focusing on Blue the most can be important. You have some decent pieces here but I would consider a few more. Thaumatic Compass Flip and Journeyer's Kite are underplayed cards that can streamline a deck's mana by allowing consistent land drops. If you can, investing in a Chromatic Lantern will solve a lot of problems a lot of the time.
What a control deck wants to be is reactive. As such these suggestions are very strong for this kind of decks and if you can I would invest in getting them first: Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation are some of the strongest cards in M:TG. These suggestions will help streamline the deck.
The last thing I've noticed is that your deck lacks focus and a clear path to victory. Look for more cheap wizards that have disruptive etb abilities like AEther Adept and Sedraxis Alchemist, or, card filtering ones like Omenspeaker and Augur of Bolas. Pit Keeper is another nice addition to any wizard deck.
As for cuts, I would go for Control Magic, Clone Legion, Magus of the Abyss, Vela the Night-Clad, and Yahenni, Undying Partisan as they don't particullarly advance the decks goal in any significant manner.
I hope you find this (incredibly long post) useful.
3 months ago
@mhegara: I used to run both Phyresis and Battle Mastery but eventually cut them as I found them to be more "win more" cards. Basically a good chunk of the time I used them I had a big enough board position that they really didn't matter. I do like that flavor text though! As far as Mox Diamond goes... if you can't justify the new inflated price tag you're right in the fact that big mana increaser rocks like Mana Vault as mentioned and Grim Monolith would probably work as suitable alternatives provided you are able to pull enough colored mana rocks to cast Zur. Basically you should just playtest them with your list and see how they interact with the cards in your deck.
@wipperwhill123: Thanks! Generally I'm not worried about what other people are playing unless it has a direct impact on my game plan; to that effect I find that preventing things with counterspells to be more effective than black discard as they may have several things that are gonna ruin my day but only have enough mana to do one per turn whereas a counterspell would stop that dead in its tracks. Also Hymn to Tourach is a little color intensive with the double black. If I do decided to throw some discard in in the future Mind Twist and Thoughtseize would indeed be at the top of my considerations. Thanks for the suggestions!
@Demonio_de_Laplace: Dark Confidant is way better than Dark Tutelage because I can get it out a turn earlier for one and also it can do a little damage, block a bomb of a creature or take the fall if a Fleshbag Marauder or Diabolic Edict slip through. It is nice being able to tutor up the Dark Tutelage but it's just not as versatile.
@MtgMaster02: True. Greater Auramancy does do a great deal in protecting Zur but I found that it was overkill with the amount of other things that protect Zur and could sometimes mess up an aura I wanted to cast from hand. It's always in mind though so if I find things aren't going so smoothly anymore I just may put it back in. Thanks for the input!
@Jewishman: I'd say to each their own and that my build would at least stand up fairly decently against it. I personally feel like it takes away the essence of a Zur deck being a toolbox commander, but that's just me.
@1992lucas: The deck needs redundancy in case something gets removed Armageddon and Swiftfoot Boots are just that. I do agree that 3 mana for Disallow is pretty hefty and Misdirection is hit and miss so I am keeping my eye on both of those as potential cuts. The only real target for Idyllic Tutor without Zur is Rest in Peace so that's just too limited. I highly dislike Remand as it gives whatever I deemed threatening enough to counter back to my opponent, Memory Lapse is better as it slows them down a whole turn; the card is negligible. Dig Through Time/Treasure Cruise both cost a ton and I normally don't want to exile anything from my graveyard as I can generally get the important things back, especially with me thinking about the addition of Yawgmoth's Will. Tainted Isle is too situational with the swamp requirement; if I were to swap anything out it'd be for an Adarkar Wastes or Underground River. Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'll definitely think about some of 'em during the next time I have time to do some editing
4 months ago
Tap lands like Dismal Backwater or Jwar Isle Refuge can go. Here's some lands you don't have listed that are good in my opinion Sunken Hollow, Watery Grave, Tainted Isle, Sunken Ruins and Ash Barrens.
Dreamborn Muse, Riddlekeeper, Oblivion Sower can be good if you're exiling stuff, Manic Scribe, Crypt Ghast, Mortivore maybe?, Guiltfeeder, Nighthowler, Eater of the Dead, King Macar, the Gold-Cursed, Thousand-Year Elixir, Wight of Precinct Six, Consecrated Sphinx, Arcane Denial, Mirage Mirror can be secretly good, Stolen Goods, Praetor's Grasp and Dream Fracture.
I feel like the defender route can be... alright but with dimir you might as well just have good useful creatures that so happen to have decent toughness... also I feel like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip, Oona, Queen of the Fae, Thunder Wall, Wall of Spears, Reinforced Bulwark, and Psychic Membrane are either don't fit or you can find something better.