Dredge the Mire

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Dredge the Mire

Sorcery

Each opponent chooses a creature card in their graveyard. Put those cards onto the battlefield under your control.

Flarhoon13 on Lazav and Gyruda (Companion): Doom Mind

10 months ago

Added Kairi, the Swirling Sky to the deck, so added a combo around her. Still haven't won with the combo, though, it's too convoluted and unwieldy to pull off easily: Turnabout for mana advantage, Altar of Dementia, and Stitch Together to repeat until everyone has milled out and I will have infinite mana with access to all of my instants and sorceries, e.g. Dredge the Mire

DreadKhan on unthinkable apocalypse

1 year ago

I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. If you consistently have a fairly big creature, or one with Deathtouch and Lifelink, Chandra's Ignition is one sided by definition, one of many cards that shines brightly with Basilisk Collar (which is also very good with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage or even good old Banshee, Jaya's 6 damage wipe really is amazing if you've got Collar on her, though it'll kill her too). If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn.

As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters.

I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. You might get away with adding 2 mana ramp, but I'd still aim for at least 36 lands (or MDFCs that count as a land, you probably already have the best two MDFCs in those colours, but people also run Malakir Rebirth  Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns.

A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk  Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment  Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis).

Hope some of this is helpful!

Max_Hammer on Mathas, King of Politics

1 year ago

I had nothing to do this morning in class, so here you go, too many card suggestions.

This section is for giving your best friend a reward for being awesome. While, y’know, giving yourself something too.

-Incarnation Technique, Creative Technique, and Excavation Technique all give you and a buddy a powerful effect. Of course, you’re getting the better end of the deal, but they can have cool stuff too.

-Benevolent Offering kind of goes along with that, too.

-Tempting Contract and Master of Ceremonies both give everyone good loot, but give you more.

-Flumph is great. It’ll trigger some of the effects in the section below when people attack you for a card, and it’ll make everyone your friend.

-Tenuous Truce is Flumph for two.

-Smuggler's Share is nice, since you’ll get just a little more out of giving everyone extra card draw.

-Jailbreak is excellent for only two mana and basically no money.

This section is for discouraging opponents from messing with your effects.

-Revenge of Ravens and Oath of Kaya both do the same thing, more or less. You can see why they’d be nice, especially with goad.

-Cunning Rhetoric and Mangara, the Diplomat both give you extra card draw for your opponents’ hubris.

-Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker gives you extra draw every turn. Like, three cards worth. That, or it’ll be a lightning bolt to the face for someone, so you win either way.

-Sword-Point Diplomacy is kind of the vibe I’m going for here.

-Emberwilde Captain is more goad and works with your pre-existing Monarch card.

-Leyline of Combustion is always pretty fun, along with all of the leylines. Just super annoying, is all.

This section is for cards that benefit you solely, but using the other two sections for leverage, you can get the most out of them.

-Magma Hellion and Lava-Field Overlord give you a big bad creature. That’s all, really. Not super scary, but they’re here.

-Bring Down, Gang Up, Deadly Designs, and Play of the Game are all good removal that other people can pay for and when there’s some big Emrakul threat on the board, people are usually pretty willing to spend to get rid of it.

-Mogg Assassin and Council's Judgment are both more removal, but less shaky ones. Just remember that Judgment can exile more than just one thing.

-Wake to Slaughter and Dredge the Mire are both resurrection spells and both very nice. Only problem is that an opponent has to pick for you. Just make sure that anyone willing to help will be given a high five and a 5/5 angel or something.

CarefulStudy_SweetOlBob on G Y R U D A

3 years ago

These suggestions are going to be 1-for-1 replacements as far as mana cost is concerned:

Dredge the Mire for Wall of Stolen Identity ?

Blood for Bones for Notion Thief ?


These suggestions are more or less "maybe-board-esque" includes that I don't know why they aren't in the deck:

Phantasmal Image is a 2-CMC copy a creature so you can hit it with Gyruda and keep it moving. Dies to any kind of removal, so it might be an okay reanimate target.

Torgaar, Famine Incarnate can save you if your own life total gets too low, or put someone else in striking range. In the same vein, Eternity Vessel can preserve your life if you run fetch lands.

Voidwalk a flyer after Gyruda is out.

Victimize is kind of clutch since you'll be milling all sorts of stuff.

Bitter Ordeal keeps looking better. Like every time I read it, especially if you are recurring clones.

I don't like this card, but why not Dream Halls ? Keep jamming stuff out. I hate to think that Vilis would be a dead card in your hand because you're only running 31 lands.

Stitch Together because good cards are good.

Mirror Mockery because ETBs exist in your deck amongst a few cards.

So not as much replacement. It's pretty good as it is. I think if you were to lean in to what I'm suggesting, it'd be more ETB focused. I don't think that's quite as neat, but ya know, it's stuff with reasons.


Ted talk for how do you can tribe, thank?

RiotRunner789 on <PRIMER> Shirei, Guiding the Dead </PRIMER>

3 years ago

First, I'm going to point out things that may not be the best on the maybeboard,

Blasting Station: Semi-repeatable but free sack outlets are just better. Unless you can continuously flicker something from the grave to the battlefield this should be cut.

Netherborn Altar: Highly situational. Better off just having protection for your commander or ramp.

Diabolic Intent: Personally not a fan of tutors but this is on theme and can help you in a pinch. My philosophy is to only tutor for a response and not for the win but to each their own.

Nim Deathmantle: 4 is a high cost to hold up to sometimes save your commander. Better protection available.

Panharmonicon: You have 8 creatures currently with ETBs which is a bit low to include this.

Universal Solvent: Mono-color decks have weaknesses. Typically in EDH certain board threats can be handled by others at the table. I would cut it unless your meta has little to no interaction for threats.

Witch's Oven: Love this card, just not for EDH.

On second thought, your maybe board is REALLY big. I'm just going to go with what cards stand out.

Augur of Skulls, Burglar Rat: Black's best advantage is denying your opponents advantage. Burglar rats is the better of the two since it will cause your opponents to discard 3 cards. Augur is only better if there is that One player in the meta that needs to discard.

Orzhov Enforcer: Helps to build a token board presence. Best case scenario this trades with something and you get a token and you repeat this every turn.

Sling-Gang Lieutenant: Same as above but better. Helps with some life-gain and gives you blockers/sac fodder.

Thorn of the Black Rose: Are you low on card draw? Yes, then add it. You should be wide enough to keep monarch. Good on draw? Then give it a pass.

Yawgmoth, Thran Physician: You typically don't want creatures with power greater than 1 but... This is card draw, removal, and a sac outlet. If you have it then use it.

Dredge the Mire: Seen this been played. 4 mana for three creatures is just good. Those creatures may not synergize well but you should at least get one good threat and it should help to have one big dumb creature.

Mutilate: Just a good board wipe. Sometimes you need to hit restart. If you have the funds, Dead of Winter is strictly better but needs snow-swamps.

Altar of Dementia: Two mana on a sac outlet that is harder to remove than a creature. Yes, please.

Meekstone: This will defend you from a ton. May also draw some hate but can save your from the R/G trample guy.

Smokestack: Really good in your deck. But, if you play it, be able to win in the next few turns and have some kind of recursion or the mana to replay your commander. This is a salty card, so be aware of your play group.

Grave Pact: With this and a sac outlet you should be able to own the board. This is a hard yes.

Oversold Cemetery: Could act as a good backup plan for your commander dying too much. Send him to the grave then re-play him. Then grab your graveyard recursion creatures next and your back fairly quickly from a board wipe without needing to draw into it.

Phyrexian Arena: Steady card advantage. One of my favorite cards.

Deadly Rollick: Free removal. Your running a linchpin deck (as in your commander is essential to be on the field) therefore this card pulls more weight cause if its dead your probably dead.

Imp's Mischief: Just a fun card no one expects in mono-black.

Cabal Coffers, Cabal Stronghold, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx: If you own them you should run them. Also, especially if you have more than one of these, cards like Torment of Hailfire, Black Market, In Garruk's Wake, and Exsanguinate should be looked at more closely.

Hope that helps.

Darkshadow327 on What's Yours is Mine | Tariel EDH | PRIMER

3 years ago

suarkdivad:

  • Attrition is more for the times of when we pull something we don't want. It's going to happen. I'll have to see how it plays in testing.

Thanks Daedalus19876, it was definitely an interesting one to build! My lack of Deluge always bothers you ;P

I didn't think about Altar of the Brood, that's a good one! Dredge the Mire is sweet too!

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