Cunning Rhetoric
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Cunning Rhetoric

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent attacks you and/or one or more planeswalkers you control, exile the top card of that player’s library. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any colour to cast it.

Last_Laugh on Isshin - Tokens

1 month ago

Mardu Ascendancy is probably the best token production for this deck.

Adeline, Resplendent Cathar spits out 6 tokens at once.

Squee, Dubious Monarch is weaker token production but is immediate thanks to built in haste.

Captain's Claws is another good token producer here.

Plumb the Forbidden and Emberwilde Captain are both excellent budget friendly card draw here. The rest of draw in these colors can be a bit pricier (unless you go the Read the Bones route which is budget friendly but much weaker draw), but I'd recommend a few like Mangara, the Diplomat and Cunning Rhetoric.

Feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Isshin - Army of Darkness

Housegheist on Sheoldred spell-Slinger

2 months ago

Plumb the Forbidden seems to fit perfectly.

Phyrexian Arena, Black Market Connections, Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools?

Cunning Rhetoric could provide some valuable protection. Bolas's Citadel to play spell from top?

Max_Hammer on Mathas, King of Politics

3 months ago

I had nothing to do this morning in class, so here you go, too many card suggestions.

This section is for giving your best friend a reward for being awesome. While, y’know, giving yourself something too.

-Incarnation Technique, Creative Technique, and Excavation Technique all give you and a buddy a powerful effect. Of course, you’re getting the better end of the deal, but they can have cool stuff too.

-Benevolent Offering kind of goes along with that, too.

-Tempting Contract and Master of Ceremonies both give everyone good loot, but give you more.

-Flumph is great. It’ll trigger some of the effects in the section below when people attack you for a card, and it’ll make everyone your friend.

-Tenuous Truce is Flumph for two.

-Smuggler's Share is nice, since you’ll get just a little more out of giving everyone extra card draw.

-Jailbreak is excellent for only two mana and basically no money.

This section is for discouraging opponents from messing with your effects.

-Revenge of Ravens and Oath of Kaya both do the same thing, more or less. You can see why they’d be nice, especially with goad.

-Cunning Rhetoric and Mangara, the Diplomat both give you extra card draw for your opponents’ hubris.

-Sivriss, Nightmare Speaker gives you extra draw every turn. Like, three cards worth. That, or it’ll be a lightning bolt to the face for someone, so you win either way.

-Sword-Point Diplomacy is kind of the vibe I’m going for here.

-Emberwilde Captain is more goad and works with your pre-existing Monarch card.

-Leyline of Combustion is always pretty fun, along with all of the leylines. Just super annoying, is all.

This section is for cards that benefit you solely, but using the other two sections for leverage, you can get the most out of them.

-Magma Hellion and Lava-Field Overlord give you a big bad creature. That’s all, really. Not super scary, but they’re here.

-Bring Down, Gang Up, Deadly Designs, and Play of the Game are all good removal that other people can pay for and when there’s some big Emrakul threat on the board, people are usually pretty willing to spend to get rid of it.

-Mogg Assassin and Council's Judgment are both more removal, but less shaky ones. Just remember that Judgment can exile more than just one thing.

-Wake to Slaughter and Dredge the Mire are both resurrection spells and both very nice. Only problem is that an opponent has to pick for you. Just make sure that anyone willing to help will be given a high five and a 5/5 angel or something.

ThinMargin on Liesa, Liesa, they so flying...

5 months ago

multimedia great feedback! All of those cards were on the maybe list for me for sure. The deck was feeling a little creature heavy.

There are a few mechanics I would like to keep though. I am using Gideon's Avenger and the Vampire Scrivener to counter up and give them life link with one of the 3 enchants I have for that. Makes them good blockers or attackers and a tempting removal burn to keep Liesa out longer. They fit in line with the punishment theme of Liesa. If I had something that did both, that would be better. If Liesa is out, each combo costs me 4 life. It is a side road I need to consider if I can get my Loyal Unicorn out and haven't found my Victory's Herald .

Also, it pains me to let go of my infi-chump blocker. Blinking Spirit is one of my favorite cards for watching peoples heads explode, it probably should have been blue, really. But I can see the sense in getting rid of a recasting creature in a Liesa deck. Good call.

What do you think of this:

I appreciate the help! Cheers!

multimedia on Liesa, Liesa, they so flying...

5 months ago

Hey, good start at using/upgrading the precon on a budget, nice Sword of Feast and Famine. Some improvements to consider for gameplay is getting more value especially draw from gaining or using life such as Greed. Pay 4 mana to get Greed on the battlefield then it's repeatable draw a card for 1 mana + 2 life as many times as you want.

Some cards that are in the precon to consider adding:

Usually if a card in the precon is more expensive price then others then it's a good card that's worth an extra look and a playest. You're pretty safe to include all the expensive price cards in a precon in your upgraded version. Stinging Study is instant draw five cards for 5 mana + 5 life which is a good return and uses extra life your gaining to draw cards.

Keen Duelist can be repeatable draw using life for no additional mana cost. Yes, opponent also gets to draw, but that's a price you have to pay because of lower budget. Inkshield is powerful effect to protect yourself from combat and potentially create a ton of fliers. Orzhov Signet can do a lot more for gameplay than many creatures here because it can help to cast Liesa.

A nice guide for casual Commander deck building is to include at least 10 ramp sources and at least 10 draw sources. I would include more of each, but start with 10. More ramp and draw can be examples of quality filler cards and that's where you should consider starting for upgrades.

If you're interested I offer more advice in another comment. Would you like more advice?

Good luck with your deck.

Elhoggerino on Card suggeations

7 months ago

Here are a bunch of cards with that type of effect:

Gonti, Lord of Luxury

Rogue Class

Brainstealer Dragon

Breeches, Brazen Plunderer although specific to pirates so maybe not

Cunning Rhetoric

Grinning Totem

Guile a bit situational but you might like it

Knacksaw Clique

Mezzio Mugger

Muse Vessel

Opposition Agent

Ornate Kanzashi

Thada Adel, Acquisitor

You Find Some Prisoners

Hope that helps, you can find more of these at gatherer.wizards.com, it's just a big card database where you can search for specific rules texts, names etc.

Davinoth on Prosper's Purgatory [Treasure EDH]

7 months ago

     elliotmward97: So in the end, I actually cut Cunning Rhetoric for Imperial Recruiter. I was looking really hard at Mayhem Devil but thought it would be better to cut it for Agent of the Iron Throne once I pick one up.

     Rhetoric is good, but similar to other cards we've talked about in that it requires participation on behalf of my opponents.

Last_Laugh on Isshin - Army of Darkness

9 months ago

@IHATENAMES - I agree that I could use more interaction. I've cut boardwipes right now as more of an experiment but I could use more targeted removal.

Card draw I've been happy with but I'm always after suggestions if you have something not listed below in mind? I run 8 cards that draw, 3 that exile stuff for me to play, and 4 of the best tutors for redundancy. I currently run Esper Sentinel, Mangara, the Diplomat, Twilight Prophet, Tymna the Weaver, Welcoming Vampire, Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena, and Skullclamp for draw and Tectonic Giant, Jeska's Will, and Cunning Rhetoric for play from exile.

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