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- Interactions with Circle of flame Turn to frog
- Polymorphist's Jest vs Legendary rule
- polymorphist's jest and enters the battlefield question
- Can you cast a Polymorphist's Jest after attackers are declared when a Circle of Flame is on the battlefield to kill everything?
- How does Polymorphist's jest interact with combat tricks and enchantments that buff the creature?
Until end of turn, each creature target player controls loses all abilities and becomes a blue Frog with base power and toughness 1/1.
DreadKhan on Abaddon Let Chaos Reign
2 weeks ago
I have a Chaos deck, maybe a few of the cards would work here too? I'm a huge fan of Exquisite Blood, even if you play it without the combo, the effect has big synergy with your Commander's ability, and it helps keep you alive when you're ahead. Another enchantment that works with Esquisite Blood (and your Commander) is Rite of the Raging Storm, this is often good for damage and it makes everyone else play way more cautiously (because anyone but you can be stuck taking 15 damage in a cycle if they can't handle the tokens). Rite itself likes a number of other cards that might work here too, one really sneaky one is Mask of Griselbrand, Lifelink is useful (and stacks with Blood), Flying is useful, and the card draw can be very powerful, obviously this is hilarious with Rite since you can equip the token with the Mask, at which point it's probably getting in for damage and when it dies inevitably you can draw 5 cards. It seems like a good piece of gear for your Commander especially. Berserkers' Onslaught is a funny card sometimes, you do need some kind of board, but even your Commander is openly terrifying with Double Strike. Another card that Rite and your Commander both would love is Dauthi Embrace, Shadow is really good evasion (you might look into Dauthi Voidwalker as well, very useful dual purpose card). Scavenged Brawler is a creature I'm testing in that deck atm, it seems good, offering a useful body that can be 'scavenged' when a wipe happens. If your deck doesn't run combos and is in Black Protection Racket can be a source of life loss for your Commander, your average MV is probably high enough to matter, it can also give cards. It will never give you any lands or 0 MV cards, so it's not a perfect card. Make an Example is a generically good card in my experience, you always get (at minimum) each opponent's most problematic creature. Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep and Shizo, Death's Storehouse are two cards that might help your Commander out, and they're untapped lands, very few drawbacks to those!
Cultural Exchange is a Blue Chaos feeling card I love, I can't decide if you've got enough tokens/creatures you don't care about to make it work, but if you can trade off some small stuff for the best stuff on board then you're doing good I think. I guess it doesn't say anything about untapping, so you can use it to open someone up to attack by trading away all their blockers for already tapped creatures in a pinch. Mass Diminish seems worse than stuff like Sudden Spoiling and Polymorphist's Jest (both great cards though!), but the ability to cast it twice is big, and the effect weirdly lasts a turn cycle, this can help eliminate 2 players sometimes.
Since you probably want your Commander out most of the time, have you considered Stubborn Denial? It's not Fierce Guardianship, but I find Guardianship to be obnoxious.
My final ideas are War Tax and War Cadence, Cadence can easily make your stuff unblockable if people are tapped out, Tax can make it very hard for people to attack in draw out games, but Cadence is probably the better fit.
DreadKhan on The Quackening
2 months ago
I have a Quest for Ula's Temple deck which does some similar things, I liked Dreamscape Artist because it can reshuffle your library as needed, incase you don't have a relevant creature to work with on top. It's technically only 1 mana and a card to Harrow (you get back 2 untapped lands, so it can also helping mana fixing) Blue, and I could be wrong but I think your Commander wants the odd Discard outlet too. A worse (but still potentially useful) piece of Blue ramp is Apprentice Wizard, it's not as good as Dreamscape, it's like Worn Powerstone, which is a good rock if you want bigger ramp to potentially cast a big creature a bit sooner. Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus are big ramp rocks with decent ratios. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers are pretty good together, if you have a lot of devotion to a colour Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can help, Deserted Temple can untap any land that makes extra mana. Less rampy and more of a big Scry effect, Soothsaying is a neat card if you care about your deck order. Scroll Rack is better but costs more.
Just a general idea, you might throw in things like Reconnaissance Mission, Bident of Thassa, and Coastal Piracy along with some Unblockable or Shadow creatures (Thalakos and Dauthi are the Blue and Black tribes). You can also throw in stuff like Sword of the Animist, Dowsing Dagger Flip, Prying Blade, Goldvein Pick, Grim Hireling, and any other attack payoffs you can find to generate more value over time. I understand you want a sea-monster theme, but you might want a way to draw some cards/get in some chip damage to soften people up. The only drawback to Shadows is that they can't chump block. If you really want your evasive creatures to be able to chump, there are some small flyers like Spectral Sailor and Thousand-Faced Shadow that have other upsides, these are risk free but are way less evasive than Shadows.
On that note, if you're worried about getting attacked you might look at Propaganda, War Tax, Flood, and Fatespinner are all great ways to make you hard to attack. Mass Diminish, Polymorphist's Jest, Sudden Spoiling, AEtherize, Aetherspouts are all great cards for people to fear.
Callous Oppressor is a funny repeatable theft effect, Ritual of the Machine and Helm of Possession can both steal stuff and are great with tokens, Thieving Skydiver can steal an artifact creature fwiw, Sower of Temptation is a so-so theft effect that shines bright if you can flicker or bounce it, Thalakos Deceiver is probably way better since he permanently steals whatever and can be reanimated, Inevitable Betrayal and Bribery are both pretty sweet.
The biggest (and perhaps best) theft effects are Mass Manipulation and Cultural Exchange, exchange requires bodies but can also be used aggressively to just ruin two players' boards.
Inkwell Leviathan, Lochmere Serpent, Spawning Kraken, Stormtide Leviathan, and Wrexial, the Risen Deep are some relevant creatures I use, some are better than others but there is nothing as bad as Sea Serpent or Bog Serpent, both cards I love but don't use.
If you like Whelming Wave, you might like Spectral Deluge as well.
Hope some of this helps, Big Dimir is a fun deck!
Shnuff on Simic Frogs
3 months ago
So many frog buddies the word frog lost all meaning and I read Forgotten Ancient as 'Frogotten Ancient'.
I recommend Polymorphist's Jest and Turn to Frog if only to enforce your froggy-will upon the other players (though I'm sure it could turn the tides in a combat swing too). Grolnok would approve of casting them with Croak counters at instant speed.
Arrzarrina on Roon Shenanigans
4 months ago
19/01/2023 changes: There have been a few rounds of changes. Removed counterspells to attempt to make the deck to make more fun to play against, sold the Mox Diamond because it's become worth a mint in the last 7 years, added more draw and refocused the deck on creature ETB based interaction instead of something like Oblivion Ring. It's a good card but I don't get the value that I could get out of a Fiend Hunter. You know where I'm going with this. I've also added more mana fixing to the land base and adjusted colours for the new balance.
- - 1x Akroma, Angel of Wrath
- - 1x Azorius Signet
- - 1x Detention Sphere
- - 4x Forest
- - 1x Force of Will
- - 1x Isochron Scepter
- - 1x Land Tax
- - 1x Martial Coup
- - 1x Mirrorweave
- - 1x Mox Diamond
- - 1x Oblivion Ring
- - 4x Plains
- - 1x Polymorphist's Jest
- - 1x Prototype Portal
- - 1x Pyxis of Pandemonium
- - 1x Pestermite
- - 1x Spell Crumple
- - 1x Strionic Resonator
- - 1x Treachery
- - 1x Temple of the False God
- - 1x Thran Dynamo
- - 1x Time Spiral
- - 1x Tinker
- + 1x Arcane Signet
- + 1x Adarkar Wastes
- + 1x Blue Sun's Zenith
- + 1x Barkchannel Pathway Flip
- + 1x Brokers Hideout
- + 1x Consider
- + 1x Deserted Beach
- + 1x Dreamroot Cascade
- + 1x Echoing Truth
- + 1x Evolving Wilds
- + 1x Fading Hope
- + 1x Hengegate Pathway Flip
- + 1x Joint Exploration
- + 1x Mind Stone
- + 1x Overgrown Farmland
- + 1x Preordain
- + 1x Relic of Progenitus
- + 1x Repopulate
- + 1x Stonehorn Dignitary
- + 1x Terramorphic Expanse
- + 1x Temple of Mystery
- + 1x Temple of Enlightenment
- + 1x Wilt
DreadKhan on unthinkable apocalypse
6 months ago
I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. Ashes to Ashes and Reckless Spite also exist fwiw, and if you aren't certain you'll have creatures out, Tergrid's Shadow can do a bit of work, as can Plaguecrafter or Demon's Disciple, cards Sedris can recur for 2B even. Another value card is Dredge the Mire, which can cheat in the 3 worst creatures in people's graveyards, note certain creatures will kill you if you control them, so check before playing! Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. If you consistently have a fairly big creature, or one with Deathtouch and Lifelink, Chandra's Ignition is one sided by definition, one of many cards that shines brightly with Basilisk Collar (which is also very good with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage or even good old Banshee, Jaya's 6 damage wipe really is amazing if you've got Collar on her, though it'll kill her too). If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn.
As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. Visions of Duplicity can create some chaos with it's two casts, Cultural Exchange is obscene if someone else has better creatures. Bident of Thassa is glorious if you want both of it's effects, forcing people to attack is incredibly mean, and this doesn't require you to run a weenie like Goblin Diplomats, but that's also a fun card fwiw. If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters.
I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. You might get away with adding 2 mana ramp, but I'd still aim for at least 36 lands (or MDFCs that count as a land, you probably already have the best two MDFCs in those colours, but people also run Malakir Rebirth Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. As for some cards to remove, I'll take a look, but if I'm trying to build a deck that can handle attention, I look first at cards that will hurt only 1 player, unless that card will almost certainly end that player, either right away or in a few turns.
A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis).
Hope some of this is helpful!
DreadKhan on Killing You Softly with Card Draw
7 months ago
I often find War Tax and Flood are playable, especially if I usually am not the most threatening deck (and thus are less targeted depending on groups), either can very much ruin a deck's day. There is also Mass Diminish that can either neutralize a threat or make someone super vulnerable, in addition to just being the funniest way to use resources most of the time. I feel like there are a few situations you'd prefer Polymorphist's Jest, but Mass Diminish's shockingly long duration means it can do crazier stuff in my experience.
You might want good old Ivory Tower in here, not sure if you play in a meta where people win via non-infinite combat/damage, obviously a stinky garbage fire if everyone plays infinite combo.
Since you'll often have extra cards, not sure if Dreamscape Artist as a repeatable Blue Harrow matters enough (it's slow but the untapped lands make it 'cheap' ramp), also nice with Graveyard utilization.
Zungry on Burning Frogs
1 year ago
This deck doesn't seem to have an actual way to win. I pitted it against one of my decks and while I sure did lose a lot of creatures after they were turned into frogs, I eventually had more creatures than your deck had ways to kill them and I won.
Enigma Drake seems like a good win-con. Why only have two of them? Blazing Volley could be good for wiping all of your opponent's creatures with Polymorphist's Jest. Or maybe Fire Ants, so you don't have to spend two cards just to kill one creature.
1 year ago
Okay, thanks for the clarification haha. I think in the case of a more casual environment, Izzet Charm is great because it provides you different options, so it is rarely a dead card. Keep in mind that Izzet Charm only counters noncreature spells, whereas Mana Leak counters any spell, which is why having a couple of each is good. Mutiny looks like a fun, on-theme card, but it is very conditional, so I would suggest only doing 1 mainboard and maybe 1 sideboard. My issue with Illusory Wrappings is that if you enchant the creature and then bolt it, that is a 2-1 exchange in your opponent's favor (your enchantment  + your removal  for their creature ). A good replacement could be Polymorphist's Jest, which is an instant so you could swing in with your creatures then use it as a combat trick to take out more of your opponent's creatures with 1 spell. That is intensive and conditional, so that should probably be a 1-of in mainboard or max 2 in sideboard.
A couple Shocks should be plenty because it's a budget build, but no more than 2 of each because they are inefficient. Although, I think Shock would be better than Opt in this deck because you want to maximize damage, so perhaps you could push those out and replace them with Shocks and Izzet Charms. Once you have the budget for Skullcrack, the Shocks should be the first to go. I also believe that Guttersnipe, while it is undoubtedly a good card, should be replaced with Soulfire Grand Master because 3 mana is a lot when you have so many creatures in the deck. The Electrostatic Fields are cheaper, and they can be good blockers (on theme) and are resistant to opponents' Lightning Bolts, unlike Guttersnipe.
Classic Counterspell could also be good in this deck once your mana base is secure. Negate is also an amazing counterspell in the right meta, and it's cheap! One in the mainboard and/or a couple in the sideboard could prove valuable. Counterspells are important, but they are only helpful if they are applicable and castable. Make sure you have some variety and not too many with severe restrictions. So 4x Counterspell is good, but 1x Counterspell, 1x Mana Leak, 1x Negate, and 1x Izzet Charm is better. The 1x Mana Leak takes away the restriction without taking away the variety, the 1x Negate allows the mana flexibility of Mana Leak without the mana restriction at the expense of restrictive targets, and 1x Izzet Charm allows for greater variety in plays, but it's hard to beat the power of Counterspell so it deserves its spot.
That brings me to your mana base. My biggest suggestion is to avoid lands that don't tap for because almost all of your spells use in some way, and you can get mana screwed really easily if you don't have access to it. The pain lands would be perfect for your deck: Shivan Reef and Battlefield Forge. They provide you with your colors and come into play untapped, which is huge. In my opinion, Nephalia Academy is not helpful and you might as well have a Wastes instead because at least that can be tutored if a creature gets Path to Exiled. But I have some other utility lands to suggest for you.
If you find yourself building up a good board presence, Castle Embereth would be very helpful. If you find that your opponents are going wider, Surtland Frostpyre could be a good boardwipe. Geier Reach Sanitarium would be good to cycle dead draws, but it doesn't tap for a helpful color. Needle Spires and Wandering Fumarole are great manlands in your colors, and although Celestial Colonnade doesn't tap for , it can be the difference between staying behind and pulling ahead in longer matchups and is worth an include. Temple of Epiphany and Temple of Triumph are decent Turn 1 plays, as they can let you plan your next turn and counterstrike. Also, the longer I look at Soulfire Grand Master, the more I think it's perfect for the deck. If you take advantage of the lifelink it gives, the pain lands will be absolutely no trouble. It also allows you to recast your spells as you go into the late game in longer matchups, which is amazing. Keep in mind that for Mutiny, the opponent's creature is doing the damage, so you won't gain life.
Anyway, a solid manabase would be 4x Shivan Reef, 4x Battlefield Forge, 2x Raugrin Triome, 1x Needle Spires, 1x Wandering Fumarole, 2x Temple of Triumph, 1x Temple of Epiphany, 1x Celestial Colonnade, 3x Mountain, 1x Plains, 1x Island. About a third of these land come into play tapped instead of half as your deck currently stands, they all tap for relevant colors, and several give you some utility if your spells fall short. Some of the numbers will need to be tweaked depending on what your spells are, but this should be a great improvement! And all of these lands are around a dollar, many are less than a dollar (except for Celestial Colonnade, which is only a couple dollars, but it's really that good). Depending on the requirements, you may need to switch a Mountain for an Island, but your dual lands should cover it well.
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