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take2da2: Another full-foil Hapatra deck? Sweet :D I'm still working on it, but I might get there soon! Not looking forward to grabbing that Judge Cradle, though.
It seems like we have a lot of strategies in common -- this is definitely a combo list as well, though I didn't go quite as heavily on Yawgmoth alone. I'm not running the Undying combos, just because I don't want to make Yawgmoth my ONLY wincon (and the undying creatures are bad without him) -- though I am running those undying combos in my list with Yawgmoth in command zone (Message from Surgeon-General Yawgmoth Re: COVID-19, though it needs updates).
I use Wild Growth because it's less fragile than another mana dork (I get board wiped a LOT), and because it allows ridiculous interactions with Earthcraft. Plus, it doesn't have "summoning sickness" -- on turn 2, I can use one land to enchant the other, and immediately get the mana back, making Wild Growth essentially a 0-mana form of ramp. I should probably run Utopia Sprawl too...
Please continue to spread the Gospel of Hapatra to the world! Haha.
I'd love to talk further -- we chose a lot of similar strategies, but there's definitely differences between how our decks play. I seem to be running more removal and interaction, to deal with stax pieces and slow down other combos, while you intend to focus on speed above all else (your interaction is almost entirely defensive).
June 4, 2020 3:07 a.m. Edited.
Apologies that I haven't responded recently, I've been super busy!
Brefin: I am definitely tempted by Fatestitcher in Ascendancy turns... I could also run Brain Freeze as a mana generator in Ascendancy turns, since they're almost always also Breach turns -- with Brain Freeze, I can generate extra mill and graveyard fuel to play Dockside Extortionist and bounce him repeatedly. My primary limitation when going off with Ascendancy tends to be GY size more than mana, honestly, since my primary engine with Ascendancy (Frantic Search + Breach) doesn't actually cost any mana. Outside of that combo, I use Ascendancy more as a value piece... Also, just be aware that when anything like Inkmoth Nexus is activated, Vadrok is a 1/1. As in, if Vadrok is mutated onto Inkmoth, you can only choose between a 3/3 without infect or a 1/1 with infect -- for that matter, when it's a 1/1, it'll lose first strike too. The "becomes a" clause overwrites anything granted by mutation. The interaction between these lands and Ascendancy is really sweet, though... Maybe I'll put Inkmoth back in. Who knows.
Paeldroth: I'm not sure that those two do quite what this deck wants, honestly. Neither fits on its own, though obviously the combo is awesome (assuming no one has exiling removal) -- neither Stuffy Doll nor Pariah synergize with the rest of this deck, honestly. Also, I'm not super interested in adding another white card right now, especially if it isn't integral to my plans. Thank you for the suggestion, though!
MapPsycho: I love the band :D Endless Forms Most Beautiful is my favorite, haha, which is why I'm so happy I got to theme a mutate-centric deck around it...
June 4, 2020 2:59 a.m.
May 26, 2020 12:30 a.m.
IzmAYAYA: I actually used to run it. It was very cute with Hapatra. But there have been too many times where people have shot the aura's target in response to me casting it, which leaves me open to 2-for-1s.
May 25, 2020 9:31 p.m.
Potential additions from Ikoria: Nikara, Lair Scavenger, Netherborn Altar, Curious Herd, Obscuring Haze, Gemrazer, Deadly Rollick, Sawtusk Demolisher, Species Specialist, Fiend Artisan, and Nesting Grounds. Yeesh.
May 22, 2020 4:19 a.m.
May 22, 2020 3:37 a.m.
May 22, 2020 3:36 a.m.
At least three cards to add here: Reconnaissance Mission and Sea-Dasher Octopus and Fierce Guardianship. Potentially I could try and find a slot for Decoy Gambit, Murmuring Mystic, Of One Mind, or Ominous Seas. There were a lot of good blue cards this set.
May 22, 2020 3:26 a.m.
Profet93: Honestly, this deck is due for a full rebuild eventually anyway.
May 22, 2020 3:18 a.m.
IzmAYAYA: By "out", I mean, "On battlefield". The point is, Generous Patron is awesome and gets lots of value.
I'd generally only play Zulaport if 1) you plan to win that turn, via Yawgmoth or whatever, or 2) you have a large number of creature tokens (possibly infinite).
The spider is a combo piece, kind of, but it's not an absolutely vital one. I'd play it early with no regrets. And yeah, it essentially deals one extra damage -- it kills things with 2 toughness :)
May 22, 2020 3:08 a.m.
skeletonkey8: I just don't have enough synergy with +1 counters, sorry. Nor the space to add another theme.
May 22, 2020 3:01 a.m.
Poly_raptor: The exiling clause is rough. I actually did test with Arcanist, and he was... hit or miss. Often I want to recast my best spell repeatedly with Vadrok, which means I can't cast it with Dreadhorde... I'm not sure. It never really EXCITED me to have in hand, ya know?
May 22, 2020 2:57 a.m.
IzmAYAYA: Depends on which one.
I would play Generous Patron any time I had Hapatra out. I would usually play the Spider, mostly as a blocker against fliers. Zulaport and Ivy Lane, I tend to hold in hand unless they'll get me huge amounts of value at that exact moment. And of course, if Yawgmoth hits the field, it tends to end the game.
This is easier to answer the more reanimation you run.
May 21, 2020 2:57 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: Mox Amber can replace a land, but the others are trickier. I'm not a huge fan of Kamahl's Druidic Vow here unless you ramp far harder than it seems. Ancient Animus also looks disappointing, even if you hit the legendary clause every time.
May 19, 2020 9:45 p.m.
skeletonkey8: Those two certainly aren't BAD. But I've found that my primary issues here are not related to counterspells or single-target removal: the biggest threat is a board wipe which resets my battlefield almost to zero. And while I'd like to add Serpopard/Safekeeper, there's just no slots these days haha.
May 19, 2020 5:14 p.m.
Viera: The most honest answer is "because I don't want to"? I really want to build this as an actively Izzet deck; I've only bent my rule on Sevinne's Reclamation and Jeskai Ascendancy because they REALLY advance my gameplan in a way that removal (even powerful removal) doesn't (enabling combos and creature recursion).
But the bigger reason is because I only run 6 cards in the deck that can produce white mana. Jeskai Ascendancy/Sevinne's Reclamation are at their best when I can discard them THEN cast them, whereas Swords to Plowshares is only REALLY good here if I can do it twice. I just don't want to drift any further into Jeskai.
If you like the deck, you're welcome to leave me a +1!
May 19, 2020 1:45 p.m.
Hmmm, I like where this is headed!
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip also seems pretty decent for what you're trying to do here :) Maybe Mox Amber, as a no-downside Mox that also cantrips? Oath of Nissa is another super low-cost spell that gives you card advantage here. Or Azor's Gateway Flip, for a similar purpose. Thran Temporal Gateway should allow ridiculous advantage here. Finally, you should have no problem casting The Great Henge for massive card advantage.
May 19, 2020 4:20 a.m.
AvacynAngelofHope: I'm really glad you enjoy it! And yeah, I was very happy when I thought up this theme -- if you DO build Vadrok, let me know how she treats you ;)
May 19, 2020 4:06 a.m.
skeletonkey8: Yeah, I hear that. But Turn 1 Hapatra is actually less valuable than it appears, sometimes -- there's definitely games when nobody plays a T1 mana dork that I can shoot. At which point an early Hapatra doesn't do much.
May 19, 2020 2:40 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: I'll take a look!
Can anyone give me thoughts on my current pet project? Both on the decklist itself, and on the in-progress primer. Please do not suggest that I add any more white cards, thank you :)
Upvotes are great too -- I really want to get this to +100!
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