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OptimalGreen: I'm trying Hooded Blightfang right now, we'll see how good it ends up being. I also have Seshiro, so...

IzmAYAYA: Honestly, Fiend Artisan usually tutors for Yawgmoth, since he pretty much wins outright? But it can also grab Devoted Druid, Ivy Lane Denizen, etc.

IzmAYAYA: Ammit Eternal, Soul Snuffers, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, Black Sun's Zenith, and Grim Affliction are my biggest token producers. I tend to tutor for them, or draw aggressively until I find them.

IzmAYAYA: If you need to give Hapatra flying often, maybe try Demonic Embrace? I've been considering it for my list. But in general, I get most of my tokens through effects other than Hapatra's combat damage trigger. But even as a 1/1 creature, you can easily reanimate it or get it back -- when you make your opponent spend spot removal on a 2-drop, you come out ahead IMO.

casual_competitive: I only wish to have Kroxa step on my opponents.

xander11: Chain of Vapor is an all-star, I'm a huge fan. Faithless Looting has been solid, and Rielle, the Everwise does great things with it -- it helps me pitch useful spells into GY to recast with Vadrok.

IzmAYAYA: I've had no problem sacrificing snakes, honestly. What were the issues you ran into?

1) I know that you wanted to go 100% permanents, but have you considered Primal Surge as your only non-permanent spell? It's so rare that decks fit it correctly...

2) Dockside Extortionist (making 5 or more treasures) + Temur Sabertooth is infinite mana, which can be transmuted into infinite triggers of your commander's mutate ability!

3) Fauna Shaman is a MUST here. Survival of the Fittest as well, if you can afford it.

4) Cold-Eyed Selkie is an amazing creature to mutate onto, to keep the card advantage flowing.

5) I'm not convinced you have enough ramp to really keep the spells flowing. But since you're already casting splashy things off the top of your deck with Illuna, have you tried Chromatic Orrery as an option here?

6) I'm not fully sure what you're trying to do with Dismiss into Dream -- you don't seem to run very many things which target. That and Essence Symbiote could be natural cuts.

Cool deck, man!

1empyrean: I'll take a look! I'll post my own mutate-centric deck as the next one in the thread :D

I'm trying to find one or two cuts, but mostly I'm looking for upvotes at this point haha. We broke +100, let's try to get to +150!

Endless Forms Most Beautiful: Vadrok EDH [PRIMER]

Commander / EDH Daedalus19876

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Changes:

Removed Mountain, Unsubstantiate.

Added Mana Drain, Narset's Reversal.

I'm not having too many problems with mana, and with the recent addition of Lotus Petal (thanks to NivStormfront's suggestions), I'm hopeful I can survive on 32 lands. I would run Lion's Eye Diamond in that slot if I could afford it, maybe I'll try and see if anyone has trades...

Meanwhile, Unsubstantiate was meant as protective bounce for Vadrok as well as going infinite with Thousand-Year Storm + Frantic Search. Narset's Reversal can still go infinite with TYS, and while it can't bounce Vadrok, it works a lot better as interaction overall.

Finally, I stuck Mana Drain back in -- it just helps so much when kicking off a combo to have large amounts of colorless.

casual_competitive: But the kerning and foiling technique are MUCH better on the full-art, and the full-arts curl much less -- even though I basically live in a swamp :P

johnwayne1488: Fiend Artisan is spectacular. I would highly recommend it :) I used to run Phyrexian Tower, but I decided to go slightly heavier on the basic lands to make Earthcraft more reliable.

Corz1lla; Thank you! I usually win through combos, but I suspect that's just a difference in playgroups :) I should probably test Narset's Reversal over Unsubstantiate... And yeah, unfortunately Firemind's Foresight is just too much mana here. Plus it doesn't fully fetch any of my combos, since all my combos require at least one non-instant card. F's F is much better in a Mizzix deck, which can use it as aa 2-or-3 mana triple tutor, and immediately win.

Brefin: I considered running Cephalid Breakfast in here, but since I'm no longer running Oracle, that combo is a bit unreliable as a wincon for me. Ascendancy loops are awesome, I just don't want to run the white haha.

Also, Stitch in Time was disappointing so it's back out again. Lotus Petal, Mana Drain, and Narset's Reversal are fighting for that slot.

DeinoStinkus: Don't insult my boy Oko like that, I love him ;)

Evidence for:

Sanctum of Ugin FINDS Eldrazi rather than repelling them.

Evidence against:

1) The unknown entity speaking from the Ozolith did not act like Ugin or Emrakul at ALL. For that matter, he reminded me more of Oko in how he acted and spoke.

2) This theory is primarily based on lore from Rise of the Eldrazi and the two War of the Spark books. Anyone who was around in 2007 remembers that Rise of the Eldrazi's lore was, uh... fragmented. A bunch of cards like Dreamstone Hedron, Zof Shade, Makindi Griffin, etc suggest that the original plan was that the Eldrazi were super-intelligent eldritch entities which had created the ruins and hedrons on Zendikar, and that WotC changed their mind at some point very late in the development cycle. In this light, it's harder to draw conclusions about Ugin, who was only a half-formed character at that point. And War of the Spark was... disjointed, to say the least. Everyone acted out of character. I'm not saying your theory is WRONG, just that it could go either way depending on which bits WotC chooses to ignore from two blocks with disappointing and confusing storylines.

johnwayne1488: I'll take a look! What are your thoughts on my list?

I'm not SUPER convinced by Bastion of Remembrance here -- I have a lot more creature tutors than non-creature tutors, so Zulaport Cutthroat does the job better for me -- but I'm always interested in making changes. What have you added from recent sets?

Removed Netherborn Altar, added Hooded Blightfang for testing. Also trying Harvest Season over Bane of Progress?

Tweaks: Stitch in Time and Curfew over Mana Drain and Winds of Rebuke.

I do want to find a way to fit Mana Drain back in sometime.

See the Truth over Strategic Planning?