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Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn if (White) was spent to play Batwing Brume. Each player loses 1 life for each attacking creature he or she controls if (Black) was spent to play Batwing Brume. (Do both if (White)(Black) was spent.)
Batwing Brume Discussion
3 months ago
NV_1980 thank you so Much for comment !! Starting from the the first couple of card that you mentioned Eye for an Eye and Reverse Damage i prefer the two that you mentioned that i already play because Deflecting Palm unlike eye for an eye it prevent the damage too and it could be decisive against the big occasionally threat of our opponent and comuppance is simple amazing!! I would like to enter the two that you mentioned but it could be considerable to enter Teferi's Protection as well and even though we play 100 cards the possibile slots are very few. Unlike that i said i think that Sudden Spoiling and Michiko must be inside this deck but i really struggle to find free slots, i m thinking on take out Batwing Brume and Sudden Spoiling could be a good choice. I played Karmic Justice but i took it away because with really few free slots i prefer to put something other inside. Thanks again for comment !!! And if you have any other suggest for what i could take out tell me. I Also consider Linvala, Keeper of Silence
4 months ago
Reasons for the two questions above:
If you are winning 1/4 games, you are on par with the rest of the decks in your meta :). Either way though, tuning our decks is part of the fun and will make our playgroup improve as well.
As for the other question, for me the cards that "aren't bad", but aren't great most of time, are the signals for weak links. Either I take those out in favour of cards that synergize, increase card advantage or make a pathway to, and support, my win condition... Or, if they are cards I want to focus on, I keep them in and remove others in place of cards that'll make the "aren't bad" cards great.. Of course it all depends :).
I admit, I do not have much experience with STAXish or Control, and I'm still low on the learning curve. I do have some thoughts to share that I think can help :). I like to find a balance between flavour and function, cards that synergize and have the same "feel" while helping achieve more focus. The focus is a big step for a deck to take to get more wins. Coming up with some clear pathways to your wincons is important.
If you don't have the $ to pickup the Demonic Tutor , Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor s, there are options like Insidious Dreams . I always look at scryfall.com for transmute cards that could work as well. I just saw Brainspoil , it would be cheaper to activate than Diabolic Tutor . You would pay 3, discard it and go for any card that's 5 cmc, with special thought to either piece of your wincon. It'd also offer another removal in a pinch, or if your wincon is in hand.
If the Blood-Bond combo is your win-con right now, I'd recommend adding in recursion to get them back if they're destroyed. Argivian Find for example. Monk Idealist is a good option if you want to be more creature based. Tragic Poet is slightly slower but lower cmc. Dawn to Dusk costs a little more but pulls double duty as enchantment removal. Open the Vaults could get them both on the battlefield if each are in the yard, and for cheaper than casting both from your hand - you could make getting them from your library to your yard and casting this one pathway to your wincon. I've heard of someone using Insidious Dreams to put combo cards on top of their library, then using something to mill themselves (blue is good at this) and casting an Open the Vaults type spell. Either way you want to go, it'd be worth having at least two recursion spells to support your win-con.
If you add that enchantment recursion, a Sunbond might work to good effect, synergizing with both your lifegain and counters, but also allowing you to beef up a creature for a big strike. Spirit Loop is fantastic on big strikers, if you find your getting one in 75-80% of games. It doubles up with lifelink. Underworld Coinsmith could be a nice flavour/function addition if you start leaning into the enchantment side a little more. Basilisk Collar is a great value card giving some big creature deathtouch as one more disincentive for attacking you, while giving you another tool for lifegain when it's time to go on the attack. Imagine these on Defiant Bloodlord ?!
Worn Powerstone could be a good addition to your mana-base, something the deck might need to be able to keep responding. Smothering Tithe is one that’s off flavour but could be what you need to help ramp.
As Kaigz recommended, Dawn of Hope would go well and give you good card draw.
Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer could be a nice little combo in this deck - but they both do great as solo includes. I have Krav in a deck that has the colours for Regna, but I already make plenty of tokens. In this deck, you don't have as many creatures to sacrifice to Krav, and if Regna was removed he'd be less useful for you. However, I'd say Regna might be useful? If you had a few more token generators, they'd be a great addition. Casting a creature and getting another to your hand is pretty big value in itself, but with tokens Krav is fantastic value while also making a big creature. I have him in my life leaching Ghave deck
Purity seems sweet. Do you have much red in your meta, enough to make this worth the slot and cmc? if so... Auriok Champion could swapped in for Soul's Attendant , 1 more, it has protection from red making it not just immune to red spells, but an invincible blocker against any creatures (meta dependent).
Imp's Mischief is a powerful little "counterspell" that isn't a counterspell and it goes into the bucket of cards the teach people not to target you... This style of deck is a good place to take that strategy that punishes people for coming at you. Deathtouch and instant speed removals help with that as well.
Batwing Brume is a cheap$ fog for your colours that also fits the flavour.
Here's some thoughts on cards to take out - of course this is from online review and opinion, I don't have the gameplay experience you have.
Do you regularly have plenty of cards in hand to make the of Venser's Journal worth it?
Pontiff of Blight I don't think there's good value between his cost and what he offers you. There's cards that'd do far more for you.
I THINK cards like Night Terrors are better for much faster and competitive metas where you will know who is going to most likely be able to stop you from comboing off. Or in 1v1 games. I haven't found a place for those cards in semi-competitive group metas yet, and definitely wouldn't guess to see it fulfilling the cardslot's deserved value. It's a 1for1 trade off leaving you and the person you targeted one step behind your other opponents in card advantage. I DO see the times it could be fantastic, but it's one of those corner-case cards in the multiplayer slower style of EDH.
I feel like with the slow lifegain you have, I'd take Aetherflux Reservoir out until you consistently, after many, many games, find yourself getting to 90-100 life. I understand it to be mainly good in Storm or in a deck with more explosive life gain, like Firesong and Sunspeaker , or one that uses lifelink or Spirit Loop on a giant voltron commander. I might, if this were my deck, take it out for cards that make your deck tick a little more, just for now. Then, if you are gaining plenty of life (multiples of 50) over many games or created strong pathways to get Exquisite Blood onto the battlefield, you will by then see what is worth taking out for this. Exquisite Blood and the Reservoir are pretty their own Blood-Bond combo, but you need to make sure you have that 55 or more life consistently.
Felidar Sovereign ... Personal opinion alert .... When I first got back into magic I was so excited to pull this in a booster pack... I personally dont enjoy these alternate wincons and feel there's cards that could fill this slot that'd synergize with other cards for more diverse interactions and make the deck far more interesting. But that's just me :)
4 months ago
Ahhhhh the Sunforger, one of my all time favorite cards :)
I'm guessing by your current package you've already seen Queen Marchesa: Politics, Aikido, and Control by precociousapprentice.
Also here is my own sunforger deck: Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH
Let's talk Sunforger first.
Based on the budget here, I-for the life of me-can't figure out where Enlightened Tutor is. It tutors sunforger and is tutorable by sunforger.
Since you have over 25 artifacts(including creatures and lands) and have an fairly optimized mana base, Inventors' Fair will be a another good include. Incidental lifegain and Sunforger Tutor in a pinch. Along those lines, if you're really going into Sunforger, Puresteel Paladin and Leonin Shikari (or the not as great Auriok Windwalker and Brass Squire ) will be useful for multiple activation every turn cycle, making it easier to lock down the board with multiple opponents. But then again, I do see you only run a few equipment otherwise so they might not suit you at all.
Anyway, sunforger targets!
- Argivian Find is nice recursion, can get sunforger or be gotten by sunforger.
- Tithe gets Mistviel plains. On that note, Expedition Map might want to be here too.
- Dispatch might be a better Swords or Path in this deck. I usually get a lot of flack for this card but I've never had a problem with 25 artifacts.
- Intimidation Bolt over Batwing Brume . Brume can't be used with sunforger, I-Bolt is a better fog effect because it stops all attacks, meaning no attack triggers. It's also removal.
Finally, with about 10 good targets, I think Isochron Scepter could be squeezed in here.
So those are my thoughts on Sunforger.deck. Some cut suggestions:
- Serra Ascendant
- Mindblade Render
- Dark Impostor
- Crucible of Worlds
- Phyrexian Arena
- Settle the Wreckage
- Batwing Brume
These are just cards I find weak or that I am not sure why they're here. I don't know your meta. These are not necessarily what to cut for my suggestions.
Hope this helps!
6 months ago
on Turbo fog
6 months ago
I think Pollen Lullaby would be more effective than Batwing Brume in mono white turbofog; is the lifeloss worth it? or is the idea just to possibly win via ridiculous alpha swing from the opponent?.... cuz then you can swap those Isolated Chapel s for other lands like Reliquary Tower / Mikokoro, Center of the Sea or even Buried Ruin .
As for some sideboard tech for various matchups I would consider Rebuff the Wicked as a means to protect your Isochron Scepter from Assassin's Trophy and such... Nevermore for combo pieces... Pithing Needle for planswalkers... Oblivion Ring for stray nonland permanants (honestly good enought to consider mainboarding a few copies for planswalkers and other non aggro threats)... Rule of Law for storm.... and obligatory gravyard hate with Grafdigger's Cage
6 months ago
Geralf_Cecani, already made the case for adding blue or green, I'm going to make a case for black or staying in mono white.
First off black actually has a straight up fog Darkness, splashing black also lets you use Batwing Brume to its full extent and the obvious Lingering Souls. Plansewalker wise you would have access to Sorin, Lord of Innistrad and Sorin, Grim Nemesis, both are pretty reasonable and more budget friendly than most. Note too that a new BE planeswalker is due for release with the next set.
This idea isn't really mine, I got it from foxinsox's deck Competitive Solemnity in Selesnya. This deck uses Solemnity and Phyrexian Unlife to create a board state where you can't die. This is likely to work simply because enchantments are much harder to remove than other permanents. This is again a great way to stall out the board and frustrate your opponent. In the same vein so might Gideon of the Trials and white is the colour of tax cards like Rule of Law and Ghostly Prison...
Lastly, your card draw choices remind me of Owl-ing Mine, this deck uses Ebony Owl Netsuke to deal it's damage and cards like Boomerang and Remand to stall your opponents board. Again this isn't strictly my idea, as I got it from DaFerra's deck Owl-ing Mine.
Hope this was of help and give you some ideas...
7 months ago
Yes life is a premium, paying life to go fast. Will see how Toxic Deluge goes or if it can't be cast when needed.
Wheel of Fortune/Reforge the Soul/Dragon Mage/Wheel of Fate/Chandra Ablaze/Magus of the Wheel are all viable. I play more Orzhov () and splash the Mardu , so usually I won't be pulling too many read lands with fetches. Also, with a Liliana's Caress type build or a Surveil/Dredge and true Reanimator Living Death/Living End type builds it would be very powerful.
In my build, I always feel like once I get Kaalia of the Vast stabilized where I can start dropping the A/D/D from my hand, when I would Dragon Mage to recharge, it would just give my opponents a solution to whatever, Iona, Shield of Emeria or Avacyn, Angel of Hope or Etc., instead of trying to slow the board state down. I just feel this is better suited to a Nekusar, the Mindrazer or Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder or The Locust God, Etc. type Commander.
I'm unsure about Mausoleum Secrets (Situational/Late game), similar feelings towards Gamble (-1 card advantage and randomness) and Beseech the Queen (Situational/Late game). I think Mausoleum Secrets would be good with Selfless Spirit and Children of Korlis in the deck though. Hmm. I will play test it a bit, see how effective it is.
Angelic Arbiter isn't great against some decks like, Izzet () or Grixis (+) but against commanders like Xenagos, God of Revels or any Haste Commander builds actually, or Blightsteel Colossus. Since we get attacked quite a bit too, it also helps mitigate lots of that damage. Like do you want to cast Cultivate or attack with those 3/3's or whatever, do you want to swing your infect and cast nothing this turn? He's been good, won't replace him anytime soon.
7 months ago
Spirits, I appreciate you updating me!
Also, thanks a lot for pointing me towards that article, I'll look it over. I think I can see why Toxic Deluge has caught your attention with it being CMC3 and only needing a single while also getting around indestructible and the like.
I imagine the life spent to wipe the board will be negligible, but we already have plenty of negligible life loss in the deck alongside entering the game with a target on our back. It makes me wonder just how much we can rely on our life total as a resource.
Children of Korlis seems cheeky, and goes off the beaten path of Combo / Aggro.
I mention Wheel of Fortune because strangely enough, I've been running out of cards in my hand and have been going into Top Deck mode a little more than I'd like. I see it can have some synergy with the Reanimator side of the deck too.
Mausoleum Secrets gets my attention for being an instant tutor that works with our grave as well, with a fair selection of low CMC black cards to chose from.
And lastly, Batwing Brume for the potential to flip the game upside down if our opponents pull a Kiki Combo or something similar. It's similar to Teferi's Protection but with the potential to eliminate a player.
ALSO, how well is Angelic Arbiter working for you? I rarely find a spot where his ability actually stops the opponent from doing something substantial. A lot of the combos I see here won't even use the combat phase and vice versa.
Batwing Brume occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%