|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Commander 2018 (C18)||Common|
|Duel Decks: Jace vs. Vraska (DDM)||Common|
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Halimar Depths enters the battlefield tapped.
When Halimar Depths enters the battlefield, look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Add to your mana pool.
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Halimar Depths Discussion
1 week ago
Your deck gives me a chance to suggest a card the I've wanted to use, but never quite seen the right setup for, but more on that in a bit...
Conventional wisdom is that you shouldn't mix creatures with infect and those without, outside of mana dorks. It is also that you shouldn't rely on auras, as they give your opponent a 2-for-1. Invisible Stalker though will wear any aura quite happily since it has hexproof, it also can't be blocked. A card like Slippery Scoundrel might also be ok, though 10 permanents is a lot. Neither of these were the card I mentioned in my opening, that card is Elusive Tormentor Flip this card is interesting because it transforms into a 0/1 hexproof, indestructible, can't be blocked creature and can then be flipped back to deliver the 4 damage. It doesn't lose any auras attached when it transforms, so that means a 4/4 infect and the gag is you can transform it back to Insidious Mist in response to your opponents removal.
There is also a decent draw spell with proliferate Tezzeret's Gambit and proliferate on a stick Thrummingbird, both of these are worth consideration. 27 land is a lot, 23-5 would be fine and this gives you more slots. Your also wanting to play control, so Temple of Deceit or Fetid Pools is a lot better than Submerged Boneyard, Halimar Depths might also be worth considering. Moving on, a pump spell might be a good idea Virulent Swipe or Supernatural Stamina for example.
1 week ago
Thanks for the ideas Feyamius.
I have play tested most of what you have suggested. Especially the Gateway Plaza,Rupture Spire and the Transguild Promenade. I have found that these lands slow the deck down quite a bit. This is the reason I run the Shimmering Grotto and the Unknown Shores and also the Terramorphic Expanse/Evolving Wilds package. Most of the lands (Gates) enter tapped. The Spire, Promenade and the Plaza enter tapped as well and require you to set yourself back even further on top of that by having to pay to keep it in play. They are no good early game. Late game, they can help but by then you should have yourself set up and not need them quite as much.
I have played Crop Rotation in the deck. I took it out to add the Search for Tomorrow. I found that it was more times a dead card. I went for ramp instead. I will likely try to add more ramp in the future. It's extremely important to make the land drops and also to get a head of your opponent as this deck plays as a control deck 99% of the time.
As far as adding a Displace. I've thought about it. Although I have shot myself down due to the Drift of Phantasms I play which can be used to search for it (Like running 2 copies) and also running the Izzet Chronarch and Mnemonic Wall the Ghostly Flicker gets recycled and abused. I see no need to add a second flicker effect spell.
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated!!!
2 weeks ago
You could upgrade your land base by a lot: Opal Palace, Path of Ancestry, Gateway Plaza, Rupture Spire, Transguild Promenade ... ditch Grotto and Shores. I'd consider running the best utility land for each color (Sejiri Steppe, Halimar Depths, Bojuka Bog and/or Mortuary Mire, Teetering Peaks, Khalni Garden) in combination with Crop Rotation as well.
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
TheSurgeon Oboro, Palace in the Clouds was the card I'd replace for Halimar Depths as you suggested. That'd bring the price down $20 and help me a lot. I have to go to work but I'll look at the rest of your reply later, thanks!
1 month ago
shirouu- First, thank you for the uovote and thanks for considering my deck for a comeback!
Yeah, the "No" factor of this deck makes it pretty aggravating to play.
The real wallet sluggers here are:
Mesmeric Orb- These are nearly 40% of the deck's cost. Unfortunately, also nearly indespensible to the deck's mechanics. Doing so much of the heavy lifting, I'm afraid there isn't any comparable replacement for their long-game potency.
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds- this isn't necessary to the deck. In fact, it's in this list, but I don't actually have one for it in paper. My one copy is in my Esper Salt Mill. This list does quite well without it. You could use Halimar Depths for some deck fixing, and it would work with Deprive and Hedron Crab in a defensive position but still add fuel to your wincon.
Thing in the Ice Flip- This is still in testing. With only 2 in the deck, it's not a crucial card. More of a backup wincon should I face a go-wide token or weenie deck. You could do AEtherize, or fill in with one more of each Unsummon and Vapor Snag. I've even been considering Boomerang, so I can return their lands as well.
On the low end of pricing, these cards are over 50% of the deck's cost. I'm not sure how competitive your meta is, but this will still be annoying in any capacity. If you're playing more casually, you can always do a casual mill like Bigger Bluer Eraserer, this deck features 2 cards, not legal in Modern: Whirlpool Rider and Accumulated Knowledge.
The other option to making this more effective with a budget, would be to add some more tempo. Mana Leaks, or other cheap disruption spells would simply buy you time to finish the job without the Orbs.
Hope this helps!! And I sincerely hope you get to use this and win with it. It's a lot of fun if you really like being the troll at the table!
Any more questions, or I can help, let me know!!
1 month ago
How about Exotic Orchard, Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds and Morphic Pool instead of Halimar Depths, Sunken Hollow and Calciform Pools? You may also consider Fellwar Stone for ramp. Fuel for the Cause is not that great, since it is a 4-mana counterspell.
1 month ago
I would add the following cards: Zameck Guildmage, which provides cheap counter distribution and much needed card draw, Chasm Skulker, which will grow at least once during each of your turns, Experiment Kraj will give you better late game options and regularly duplicates powerful abilities, Prime Speaker Zegana for big dude and many cards, Herald of Secret Streams usually just ends the game with a developed board, Shapers of Nature for renewable counter generation and more card draw, Coiling Oracle to generate early game advantage and to filter draws at any point, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar for the excellent synergy, and Chord of Calling to tutor basically any creature into play. I'd also add the following lands: Yavimaya Coast, Hinterland Harbor, Breeding Pool, Halimar Depths
What you would cut to make room is up to you. I would look at Urza's Mine, Urza's Power Plant, Urza's Tower, Unbridled Growth, Sheltered Aerie, Ulvenwald Hydra, Slitherhead, Unbridled Growth, Chromatic Lantern, and Ring of Three Wishes for a start.