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Look at the top five cards of your library. As many times as you choose, you may pay 1 life, put those cards on the bottom of your library in any order, then look at the top five cards of your library. Then shuffle your library and put the last cards you looked at this way on top of it in any order.
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Lim-Dul's Vault Discussion
2 weeks ago
This is my favorite commander! And when it comes to him I become biased. So +1! :)
I also consider the use Bolas's Citadel in my Oloro deck too, it's insane card. I even thinking to cut Ad Nauseam for it.
Here is some suggestions from me:
Delay - 2 cmc counterspell is always good. And in esper is even better.
Dawn of Hope - stable card advantage engine with Oloro. And will work really good with Citadel.
Mystical Tutor - fetches any of your answers and Approach of the Second Sun
1 month ago
Hello, I saw the message you left on my wall, and I'm pretty sure this is the deck you were asking about, right?
So, when you say competitive, how competitive do you mean? cEDH is somewhat of a different beast from the usual EDH, where decks have average mana costs under 2, and you should be able to goldfish a win early (like turn 3 or earlier) and win through disruption turn 5+ and beyond. Grixis Storm is an established cEDH archetype, and that's most likely what you could slide these Commanders into (Kess and Jeleva are the usual Commanders for such a thing, but there's no reason you couldn't use partners even if they're a little suboptimal; it's the 99 (or 98, in this case) that would be most important to set in stone). Also, cEDH ain't cheap. Your deck will probably have a similar price tag to some of mine if you actually go all out on optimization (for example, check my Breya list here. It can win turn 2 with no acceleration at all, turn 1 with acceleration. The deck has a hard time with disruption, though, which is why it's geared toward winning as fast as possible. If that's what you have interest in, then a complete rework of this deck may be necessary as your mana costs are simply too high to support this at current.
So, that said, if you're just wanting a good Vial Smasher/Kraum deck, I can help with that. Keep an idea of swapping Kraum for Silas Renn in the back pocket, though, because he can be nice recursion at a low-creature table.
Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal + mana rocks is a great way to produce infinite spells cast and mana. It's generally easier to pull off than Rings + Monolith, and while it does require more moving parts, those parts are all cards you should be happy to see anyway (artifact or creature based ramp). As it stands, I only see 9 mana rocks in this deck- that number should be increased. Talisman of Dominance and Indulgence should go in, as should Fellwar Stone . Chrome Mox would be a nice inclusion as well. Charcoal Diamond and Sky Diamond make reasonable budget inclusions until you can get Mox Opal or Mox Diamond . That'll put you up to 15 mana rocks and 37 lands, so you could probably drop a land or two to hover around 50 mana sources. I also see that you have Power Artifact in the deck, and it might be a good idea to add Grim Monolith since those also produce infinite mana together (skip adding a Diamond to add this). I recommend dropping:
Metallurgic Summoning (card seems meh; it can win via Dramatic Scepter but your draw spells and Comet Storm, etc., do this already).
Platinum Angel (it's a nice card, but this doesn't really help you win unless you were absolutely going to lose after you reached 7 mana, and involves nobody having a kill spell. Most of the time, having removal or a counter would be straight up superior to running this card).
Kaervek the Merciless (he's a great effect but 7 mana is quite a lot).
Strionic Resonator (this doesn't do that much here, not that I can tell. I may be glossing over something, but it's not like this is a Brago deck where this goes infinite with a Sol Ring or something).
Invoke the Firemind (this isn't great unless you have infinite mana, and you already have better draw spells once you get infinite mana)
And 1 land. This'll let you fit the above mana rocks in.
Swap Torrential Gearhulk for Mission Briefing .
Swap out Murderous Cut for Toxic Deluge , Voidmage Husher for Stifle (the latter isn't reusable but it's 25% of the mana, which is huge). Fire Covenant is better at a lot of tables than Hero's Downfall, I'd make that swap. Curtain's Call could probably just be cut for something, anything, else.
I recommend putting Notion Thief into the deck, alongside Wheel of Fortune , Windfall , and possibly Winds of Change . Drawing 20+ cards in one turn all the while forcing your opponents down to 0 cards is hilariously useful, and each of the cards mentioned are reasonably good on their own. Cutting Reforge the Soul, and probably 2 of your worst extra turn/X spells might be valuable, here. Stunt Double could also be cut if you need the space but don't want to drop anything else.
Now, the most important thing about these cards is being able to find them! So, I recommend adding:
Lim-Dul's Vault , Fabricate , Merchant Scroll (finds Dramatic Reversal), Reshape (this one is hit or miss sometimes, but it can be very beneficial to find your Scepter or a mana rock capable of supporting Scepter), Tainted Pact (this deck is perfect for Pact; if you have Reversal and an X spell in your hand, it gets you Scepter. This would be a little better if you were using Vial Smasher/Thrasios since you wouldn't need an infinite mana outlet in hand to use it, but still, it's very, very strong). Frantic Search is free card filtering, and Muddle the Mixture can find anything 2 mana or function as a counter spell if you need it. The flexibility is worth the higher cost to tutor. I, at least, recommend Lim-Dul's Vault, Muddle the Mixture, and Frantic Search. Merchant Scroll would also be very nice.
Okay, so that's a bunch of changes, but you should notice a pretty sizable reduction in mana costs across the board, and some pet cards are still left in (copious extra turn spells, Mind's Dilation, etc.) that could probably be up for review at a later date. You should be able to reach 5 mana on turn 3/4, pop an extra turn spell or two, and then assemble an infinite mana combo to win. If you're wanting to go cEDH though, let me know, and I'll show you some things for Grixis Storm.
1 month ago
For replacing the infinite mana combos I have a few suggestions.
This one you need to be holding counters for, so it's de facto more complicated then I prefer. Basically you use the stack with this one so sequence is everything. 1: Play Lab Man 2:Activate a draw a card caged ability or play a card draw spell 3: In response, activate Mairsil's caged MMP ability and shuffle Mairsil into your deck 4: Put your entire deck into your graveyard since a card named "Mirror-Mad Phantasm" is not in your deck (the wording on the ability reverts back to "mirror-Mad Phantasm" as soon as Mairsil leaves play, even though the ability is on the Stack. 5: The card draw resolves and you win because you have no card to draw and Lab Man is on board.
The additional advantage of running the Phantasm is that he acts as a risky AF version of Traumatize ing yourself if you cast him and activate. You may reveal him ten cards from the top, but also maybe 80 cards from the top.
Technically not game ending and slightly mana intensive but once you have demonstrated that unless the opponents can remove Mairsil you have established a lock all but the most stubborn opponents will scoop.
Technically not a Mairsil combo but synergizes with many cards you will be running anyway, specifically Buried Alive . I have found this combo makes the deck far more deadly because it 1: Doesn't rely on the Commander and 2: Is incredibly hard to interfere with. If you need an explanation of how it works, ask and I'll elaborate but it's a pretty well known combo that appears in a lot of decks. I definitely recommend running Chainer, Dementia Master and possibly some GY recursion like Reanimate and Animate Dead though if you're going to run this.
On the subject of the wheels and Niv-Mizzet/ Locust God/ you forgot Nekusar. You could just do that as a different deck TBH.If I was going to play one, and you should be hard up for slots by this point really so I would only pick one, I'd go with Locust God as he provides chump blockers and if removed can be caged. Also, most smart players will remove Nekusar on sight.
As for counters: Perfect. Turn Aside and Negate are exactly the type of cards I'm talking about.
You're right. Most of the cuts have to do with the fact they're infinite mana enablers but not much use besides that. As for the two you specifically mentioned, Deadeye is just a personal bias. I think his CMC is too high in a deck where mana, especially blue mana, is such a precious resource. He's amazing when you can get him online (though not perfect, he doesn't do anything against board wipes) my concern is getting him on board able to protect himself AND Mairsil from one removal spell is 8 mana. Think of it this way, if Deadeye Nav said "to cast this card tap all your lands and skip this turn you may not cast instants or play abilities until your next turn" would you play him? I imagine the answer is no, but that is pretty much his casting cost in a deck where keeping a few lands open as much as possible is so important.
As for the poltergeist, your protection via caged effects should be limited to the littlest slots possible, this deck is trying to accomplish alot and 100 card syndrome hits is hard and even though Cavern Harpy and Thalakos Scout are 100 times better as caged protection, even that is not the best case scenario. This deck CAN live without Aetherling, but it is arguably the most important card in the deck. Protecting Mairsil doesn''t amount to much if you aren't caging things while you do it. I'm looking at Poltergeist and going "That slot could be a Corpse Connoisseur that gets me Aetherling or a combo piece" (This is where your deck durdling comes in)
Finally, here's my suggestions to add in terms of creatures and I'll give each a quick purpose blurb
Thalakos Scout : Said already Corpse Connoisseur : Tutor, chump blocker, tutor again Eater of the Dead : Untaps. Eats recursion targets in GY decks. Dralnu: Recycles boardwipes, tutors, card draw Magus of the Wheel : Obvious Notion Thief : Robs opponents of card draw, draws hate, combos with any wheel Pestilent Souleater : Mana free Infect as a backup plan. Traumatize : Mass cage targets if not running the MMP/ Lab Man combo Telepathy Knowledge is SO powerful in Mairsil Azami, Lady of Scrolls : Card draw that doesn't need Haste. Galecaster Colossus : Also cheats Haste, faux-removal. Crypt Rats Faux board wipe. Lim-Dul's Vault Cheap faux tutor Glacial Chasm Stalling tactic. Hard to remove, one card pillowfort
Anyway, that's all I have for now. Once again, check out the MTG Muddstah video's featuring Harry's Mairsil deck, you'll find it very enlightening. Hope you start enjoying the deck more and let me know how it works out if you stick with it.
1 month ago
I found the secret to a quicker Yuriko deck is top deck manipulation. Here is my package for that: 1x Augury Owl 1x Insidious Dreams 1x Lim-Dul's Vault 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Personal Tutor 1x Sage Owl 1x Sensei's Divining Top 1x Vampiric Tutor
I would definitely swap out your Diabolic Tutor for at least Mystical tutor, and budget depending, the other 2 I listed as well. Maybe Crystal Ball but I find it too slow.
You could also focus the deck more by taking out the graveyard recur. I would also add more 1 cmc unblockables to enable all your ninjustu ninjas. Here's my decklist: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hits-you-with-ninjutsu-yuriko-edh/ It's very focused on what Yuriko wants to do.
1 month ago
I think this could be a very functional deck. The important thing is to choose some synergy shared between the cards you really want to play, so the deck can function without having to rely on the raw power of commander staples you're foregoing for themed cards. I think that, being base Grixis with a focus on artifact tokens, artifacts should be leveraged, for sure. The graveyard is another place you could pick up some value, as mentioned above. Just try to have a plan beyond "play treasure stuff until I can find a combo to win." That might even mean cutting some of the really mediocre theme cards like Gleaming Barrier .
You can also build to your commander a little bit. Not every card needs to be on theme, so while Villainous Wealth hits all the right spots as both an enabler and payoff for Ramos, some good nuts-and-bolts cards that are easy on the manabase like Crosis's Charm , Bedevil , Terminate , Rakdos Charm , Dreadbore , Lim-Dul's Vault , Notion Rain , Memory Plunder (on theme!), Countersquall , Counterflux , etc. could be good.
Also, while you don't need to go all-out on the manabase, since you're just splashing white and green, try to shore it up with some easy replacements. Finishing out the Vivid lands and picking up a the tri-lands that hit your main colors could really help the deck run more smoothly. Everglades is pretty bad, meanwhile.
2 months ago
A few notes:
I've not been sure about this one for a while. Enchantment destruction only exists in Green and a bit of White (sans Artifacts), so that's not a big concern. How fast can this card usually go? I know it can turn into an easy source of mana, but I'm mostly concerned about pulling it out in the mid-late game- a burn deck's late and extra late game, if you will. I would love to run one, but Idk about it.
This one has been suggested by multiple people. Is it that good in Commander? I'll admit, the 5-CMC on a ramp card feels a bit much combined with relying on what my opponents have done. I do think the deck could use similar ramp - Desperate Ritual , Seething Song , etc. - but Idk about Geyser.
I've had mixed feelings here before, too. For 4-CMC it can be picked off somewhat easily, being a 2/2. I'm less hesitant with Mizzix than I am Geyser, that's for sure. I like the effect a lot.
Yeah, I need me some more Artifact and Enchantment removal...
I've been playing this in my irl physical build because I don't have Star of Extinction . It occurred to me last night that both would be good. I like it so far. It's great for punishing heavy token players.
Blue has too many good things that I keep forgetting stuff like this.
This card is honestly tempting. I think the only reason it hasn't been in previous versions has to do with being afraid to run too many X-drops in the deck. X= 0 in select cases, rendering them useless for effects from a creature like Combustible Gearhulk . I might at least try it. There's Blue Sun's Zenith to consider, too.
I haven't experimented with this card much, and it's probably about time I did. I hadn't thought of it as a tutor before.
Swap out notes:
· Smash to Smithereens is more of a tech. There's plenty of Artifact removal, but burning for 3 to face and destroying an Artifact on a 2-drop is great. Probably swapping out with Disk.
· Fiery Confluence I'd say is still pretty great. True, it's a 4-drop, but it still burns everyone for 6 to face. Confluence also doubles as, what I now like to call, a Repercussion outlet that doesn't damage me like the other outlets do. Probably going to keep around.
· Mystic Speculation is outclassed by Vault. I can Buyback Speculation, or I can pay some extra life to spend less mana in the long run and do the searching right the first time. Definitely swapping out for Vault.
· Etali, Primal Storm gives mixed feelings. If it were sending things to the GY and not exiling things, they'd be less mixed. The biggest purpose it has is triggering the likes of Guttersnipe , Thousand-Year Storm , Aetherflux Reservoir , and so on. Etali also lacks Haste, First Strike, or anything else of the like while boasting a 6 CMC. Hmm... I might need to test without it a little. Not sure.
· Arterial Flow was recommended as a way of gaining CA via giving out CDA to opponents. Not exactly relevant if I have more draw power and speed. Arterial Flow is difficult to cast because of its BB cost that I only tolerate in Torment of Hailfire . Definitely replacing Arterial Flow.
·I left Reanimate in the deck because I have few creatures as it is. Being able to get some back once or twice is handy. Unsure of what to do.
· Risk Factor doesn't have the heft I hoped it would. The difference between it and Gearhulk is that either way I gain an advantage with the latter (sending things to the grave and then casting them). 4 damage might be 1/10th of 40, but opponents don't care a lot. Probably replacing Risk Factor.
2 months ago
Hi there! My Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow is part ninja tribal, part topdeck matters, and it is aggresive enough to win turn 5-6 (no infinite combos). Goal of the deck is to show fat cmc cards from the top with Yuriko or other ninjas (or creature type shenanigans) and kill the table with Yuriko's ability.
To kill the table, you need to have 3 triggers and tutor 3 cards. Insidious Dreams is the best way to tutor. Some combination of Lim-Dul's Vault Mystical Tutor Vampiric Tutor Personal Tutor Imperial Seal and Brainstorm Scroll Rack
Note that most of those can and should be played instant speed with yuriko triggers already on the stack. You tutor for: Commit / Memory Temporal Trespass Blinkmoth Infusion Draco Treasure Cruise Draco and Blinkmoth Infusion should go last, unless you go for the win, as they are unplayable. 30 damage to each opp with just 2 triggers is really fun.
Out Aqueous Form
I want to increase ninja number >> higher damage output and swapping Okiba-Gang Shinobi with Ninja of the Deep Hours - draw is better, than discard.
Also corrected custom categories.
1.3 Moar ninjas, less draw, replaced one xtra turn with Time Warp
1.4 Added more interaction, maximized my top CMC spells, added some expensive proxy cards.
2 months ago
hkhssweiss I run Shadow of Doubt as a fun little pet card in Tasigur control. In practice, it has proven to be one of my favorite "counterspells", often punishing greedy players who start with a two land opener, and one of them being a fetch land. When they decide to crack it, they won't find a land and stay mana screwed on one. It also shuts down just about every tutor aside from things like Lim-Dul's Vault and Demonic Consultation .
Lim-Dul's Vault occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
U/B (Dimir): 1.04%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.78%
BUG (Sultai): 0.59%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.58%