Lim-Dul's Vault

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Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2013 (C13) Uncommon
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Lim-Dul's Vault

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Look at the top five cards of your library. As many times as you choose, you may pay 1 life, put those cards on the bottom of your library in any order, then look at the top five cards of your library. Then shuffle your library and put the last cards you looked at this way on top of it in any order.

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Lim-Dul's Vault Discussion

hkhssweiss on To Infinity and Beyond + (Small Write Up)

5 days ago

Hmmm some cards that might be helpful that I could think of in a cEDH environment would be something like Yawgmoth's Will, Hurkyl's Recall/Rebuild (If going against heavy artifact ramp or stax), Fire Covenant (as a selective removal), Stifle/Trickbind/Disallow (Targeting fetches T1 hurts combo player A LOT), Lim-Dul's Vault (can be great to dig), or Noxious Revival (in the situation things gets awry and your stuff got countered can also double as targeting opponent's Protean Hulk or other targets).

I also see that you are running Path over Swords, I would swap it the other way around as you don't want to give them land advantage.

Ragamander on Blue/Black

1 week ago

The first thing I'll say is that with 21 lands, you probably can't expect to get the mana to launch Army of the Damned or a really powerful Mind Grind or Torment of Hailfire. Well, at least without Organ Harvest, of which you're only sporting one copy. (If you don't play with teammates, or if you don't play with silver-bordered cards, you might replace it with Culling the Weak.) For reference, the math on Army of the Damned is that about 1/3 of your cards are lands = 8/24, meaning you need to survive to turn 17-18 (have seen a total of 24 cards between your opening hand and your draws each turn) to hit that 8th land. That’s a long time in a Magic game.

Second, Mind Grind, while fun, is questionable here, since none of your other cards will mill your opponent. Many people play with 4 copies of many of their cards, so milling them might not cut them off from their game plan unless you mill them so much they might die. And for that, you would need more support for the mill plan or a LOT more mana. (This is possible, but a big change. Look for cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral. Otherwise, I'd cut it for cards that affect board-state or life-totals.)

Third, your overall game plan appears to be to stall in the early game for more powerful plays late, since your low cost cards are generally defensive. This means you'll want more lands in your deck so that you don't stumble on your way to those big plays. I'd remove Coral Atoll and put in four Dimir Aqueducts. It's not the ideal play, but it's cheap and there's a lot of upside if your opponent doesn't Ghost Quarter it or something. Anyways, that will take you up to 24 lands AND increase your average mana output a little more, letting you rely on 4CMC, 5CMC, and 6CMC plays to dominate the game.

Finally, on to individual cards:

Kraken Hatchling, Mausoleum Wanderer, Pharika's Chosen, and Will-o'-the-Wisp are all fine defensive one-drops, but they all do something a little different. Thornbow Archer is a little more aggressive than the rest of your deck wants, so maybe drop it and pick your favorite of those first four and add a second.

Fogwalker is okay on defense, though it's not the best two-drop out there. I'm not a fan of Olivia's Dragon, especially outside of madness/reanimator decks. Rancid Rats just doesn't offer enough oomph for the mana (skulk is not typically a very useful ability). Graf Rats is bad unless you have Midnight Scavengers, so it's really about how much you personally want to meld them. Ultimately, I'd rather replace them with better blockers like Wall of Tears, Wall of Souls, Contraband Kingpin, Dragon's Eye Savants, Gifted Aetherborn, or the absolute top-tier Baleful Strix. Other value options include Omenspeaker, Sigiled Starfish, and Augur of Bolas. Other fun options here are Surge Mare, Riptide Mangler, Lazav, the Multifarious, Fathom Feeder, and Ludevic's Test Subject  Flip. Choose your favorites. Alternately, spot-removal like Doom Blade, Victim of Night, Cast Down, Go for the Throat, and sometimes Dimir Charm are pretty effective.

Wharf Infiltrator can be good sometimes. You can leave it in for fun or replace it.

Eternal Scourge has its uses, but I don't think this deck is optimized for it. Ideally you'd want a few things that can exile it from graveyard or hand, such as Gurmag Angler, Soulflayer, Tombstalker, Scavenging Ooze, Grim Lavamancer), Azor's Gateway  Flip (from hand), or the most hilarious option, Serum Powder. As it stands, it's just difficult to kill outside of combat, like a bad shroud or hexproof. Honestly, I don't think you need a 3/3 to be immune to removal. Replace with a finisher, which I'll discuss in a bit. Alternately, one of my favorite defensive 3CMC creatures is Graveblade Marauder, since its offensive capabilities can rapidly increase.

Markov Crusader isn't actually very good even in the rare case when you do have another vampire, and you only have one other one. Compare to 4CMC utility wunderkind Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, 5CMC finishers (like Archfiend of Depravity, Glyph Keeper, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Vengeful Pharaoh, and maybe even Serra Sphinx), and 6CMC game-winners (like Noxious Gearhulk, Dread, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Wurmcoil Engine, Grave Titan, or even Vengeant Vampire, though that last one is much worse than the others). Sure, none do exactly what Markov Crusader does, but some are close and they all have incredible upsides. Even something like Shriekmaw might ultimately gain you more life by just killing something outright, plus it's super-flexible. Heck, Soul Ransom and Mind Control are strong cards too, at least against creature decks. Anyways, Markov Crusader is a card to replace.

Midnight Scavengers is okay, especially if you have a lot of disposable deathtouchers to bring back, but it still doesn't compare favorably to the above finishers unless you really want to meld it with Graf Rats. Remember, doing things you want to do is an important part of MTG. But if you don't care to meld, I'd look to replace it.

Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is fine. In most cases it doesn't compare favorably to the 6CMC critters above, but it has its uses. If you've got a lot of little deathtouchers (Pharika's Chosen, Typhoid Rats, Dire Fleet Poisoner, it can grow really out of hand. Also, Field of Ruin forces a library search.

Elder Deep Fiend is fine. Usually you play it in a deck that has plenty of creatures you don't mind (or are better off) sacrificing (for example, Priest of the Blood Rite, Relentless Dead, Doomed Dissenter, Stormbound Geist/Geralf's Messenger), then you emerge it early and tap down lands. That's not really your plan here, so it's probably not the best choice. Some good choices for replacements are above, but within the category of emerge creatures, I think Distended Mindbender fits your deck better.

Organ Harvest is a powerful card, but has some drawbacks. Most importantly, a lot of people don't play with or against silver-bordered cards. They're not legal in any official tournaments. Tournament legal variations are Dark Ritual, Culling the Weak, and Ashnod's Altar. Other than that, it's a card that is useless in many situations and completely changes what you're able to do when you actually can make use of it, and that can be awkward from a strategy perspective. If you don't have creatures, you can't cast it. If you don't have a big spell in your hand, you don't need to cast it and you'd rather have almost any other card. So it wants your deck to be full of disposable creatures and big spells, like an emerge deck or a zombie deck really making use of Army of the Damned and From Under the Floorboards. But for the most part that is not this deck, so unless you want to build around the card, I'd remove it, either replacing it with Dark Ritual which is always useful when drawn early, or something else that's cheap and effective: Dead Weight, Apathy, Doom Blade, Pharika's Chosen, or whatever.

Sorcerous Sight is worse than Peek and Gitaxian Probe, but I don't think any of those are particularly good in your deck. If you want to know what's in your opponent's hand, play Telepathy. Otherwise, there's better card draw: Preordain and Ponder are the best cheap spells, but it might be worth spending more mana for more effect with Sign in Blood or Chart a Course.

Cemetery Recruitment isn't particularly good with so few zombies. You can add more zombies, or switch to Ghoulcaller's Chant/Find / Finality/Recover/Disturbed Burial/Death Denied to simulate the effect, or just do card advantage the old-fashioned way, with stuff like Sign in Blood/Consult the Necrosages/Read the Bones/Notion Rain/Secrets of the Golden City. Alternately, shred your opponent's hand (and lose friends) with Hymn to Tourach or punch your opponent for cards with Shadowmage Infiltrator. If you're committed to bringing creatures back from the dead, look to Zombify, Extract from Darkness, or Isareth the Awakener, which can randomly run away with the game if your opponent doesn't have an answer. The most efficient reanimation spell is Unburial Rites, but you'd need to splash white for it to be better than the above options.

Contingency Plan doesn't actually net you any cards in hand; you just control what you are going to draw later. Since you're not very graveyard-focused, there's little benefit. The more flexible version is Dimir Charm, and the more powerful version is Lim-Dul's Vault. If you want to stack the top of your deck for 2CMC without wasting a card to do it, there's Diabolic Vision, but the 1CMC Preordain and Ponder are worthy as well. Alternately, raw card advantage is an option. Any of the options I've already listed are fine, but here are some more: Chemister's Insight, Foresee, Deep Analysis.

Mind Grind attacks on an irrelevant axis. Recommend replacing it with a finisher unless you add more mill. If you want a non-creature finisher, Ob Nixilis Reignited is pretty cool. If you just want something that can't get Murdered, there's Sphinx of Jwar Isle.

Torment of Hailfire is possibly workable if you go to 24 lands with Dimir Aqueducts. X=3 is pretty much the bare minimum, and if they have cards in hand even that might not be enough. This is a possible swap for a finisher, as above.

Army of the Damned is hard to cast at 8CMC. Recommend replacing it with a cheaper finisher unless you're all about Organ Harvest.

Apathy is pretty decent at 1CMC. Probably not as good as just casting Doom Blade/Go for the Throat to kill the thing, but definitely more interesting and fun. It can stay in, though swapping it for something more reliable is technically the correct decision.

Strange Augmentation is bad in your deck. While +3/+3 for 1CMC is fine in a very aggressive deck, that doesn't seem like your game plan. Ideally, your finishers are big enough to win without the extra P/T. If they're not, these could be replaced with kill spells to make sure they are.

Tormod's Crypt is useless unless you frequently play against graveyard-based decks. Even then, with only one in the deck, you're in bad shape. I'd swap it for Relic of Progenitus or Sentinel Totem if you really need graveyard hate. If a creature is reliable against those graveyard decks, Deadeye Tracker, Nezumi Graverobber, or Withered Wretch can do some work. Agent of Erebos is another option. If the only things you need to exile are creatures, then Cemetery Reaper, Dimir Doppelganger, and the powerful Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet are options. Otherwise, cheap kill spells, counterspells, or even more expensive exiling removal (e.g. Sever the Bloodline, Silence the Believers) are options. Phyrexian Scriptures is another card I'll mention, just 'cause it does lots of stuff.

Nevinyrral's Disk is pretty good. Go ahead and keep that in there.

Gridlock is okay, but it's basically a Darkness you can use aggressively. I think Sleep is generally better at that. Alternately, if you want a mass-defense spell, Yahenni's Expertise, Languish, and Damnation are the go-to sweepers.

Outwit is way too narrow; most decks don't target players. (The primary exceptions are burn and mill, so if you play against them a lot, it might be fine.) If you want a dollar-cost-effective counterspell in that slot, play Counterspell or MAYBE Dimir Charm for flexibility.

Turn Aside is okay, but mostly outclassed by Dive Down or Counterspell.

Murder is fine. (Card-wise, not morally!) Technically Hero's Downfall is better if you can get one.

Liliana Vess is fine, but she's a little slow. I'm not sure whether she's better or worse in this deck than Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, Ob Nixilis Reignited, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, or even Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver. My inclination is that those are stronger as you increase the median quality of the cards in your deck (making Vess's -2 less important).

Here's one inexpensive, somewhat-boring take:

4x Pharika's Chosen

4x Baleful Strix

4x Graveblade Marauder

2x Archfiend of Depravity

2x Glyph Keeper

1x Noxious Gearhulk

1x Ob Nixilis, Unshackled

1x Tetzimoc, Primal Death

1x Silumgar, the Drifting Death

1x Liliana Vess

1x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets

1x Ob Nixilis Reignited

2x Dimir Charm

2x Doom Blade

2x Agony Warp

3x Notion Rain

1x Extract from Darkness

1x Silumgar's Command

1x Profane Command

1x Nevinyrral's Disk

2x Field of Ruin

4x Dimir Aqueduct

9x Island

9x Swamp

That's just one take on the general strategy. Ultimately, (I think) you're playing Dimir Midrange, and so you're looking for about 40% (24) lands, 30% (18) things that keep you alive until you have 4-6 mana, 20% (12) things that kill your opponent and are themselves hard to kill, and 10% (6) things that put you ahead on cards just in case you're not drawing the right part of your deck.

eliakimras on Back At(the)trax(a)

1 week ago

Since your curve peaks at 4 mana, I recommend that you focus on 2-mana accelerants: Nature's Lore, Farseek, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Fellwar Stone instead of Abzan Banner, Ratchet Bomb (also destroy your board), Verdant Automaton (too slow), Arcbound Slith and Arcbound Worker (too slow). // Rishkar, Peema Renegade can put the first counter on creatures so you can proliferate them and tap them for mana when needed. Abzan Charm has great versatility. Odric, Lunarch Marshal has great synergy with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice. Chasm Skulker and Cathars' Crusade require quick answer or else they win you the game. Orzhov Advokist serves double duty: she deters opponents from attacking you if they accept the offer, and also put counters on your creatures for free. Lim-Dul's Vault is a great tutor. Utter End, Anguished Unmaking, Abzan Charm, Swan Song, Beast Within, Swords to Plowshares and a overloaded Cyclonic Rift are great for dealing with your opponents' threats. // In the card advantage department, Bred for the Hunt, Path of Discovery (also create counters), Shapers of Nature (also create counters), Zameck Guildmage and Etched Oracle are repeatable draw while Rishkar's Expertise, Prime Speaker Zegana, Painful Truths and the aforementioned Abzan Charm are 1-shot card draw. // I suggest you to replace Grasping Dunes, Ifnir Deadlands, Survivors' Encampment, Simic Guildgate, Tranquil Expanse and Deeproot Champion (almost all your deck are creatures) by Yavimaya Coast, Caves of Koilos, Exotic Orchard, Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds, Morphic Pool, upping your land count to 37.

eliakimras on Atraxa help

1 week ago

Your mana curve peaks at 4 mana and you have Mirari's Wake, so it might be interesting to invest in 2-mana land ramp options, so you can cast your 4-drops on turn 3 to get your plan going. I suggest Nature's Lore and Farseek. Gyre Sage grow up and ramp quickly, while Rishkar, Peema Renegade can put the first counter on creatures so you can proliferate them and tap them for mana when needed. I would take out Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper (you need to hit someone to profit on her - she is better on a lifegain/token deck), Primal Amulet  Flip (you don't have many essential sorceries to be copied) and Custodi Soulbinders (a really slow card) for them. // Orzhov Advokist serves double duty: she deters opponents from attacking you if they accept the offer, and also put counters on your creatures for free. Inexorable Tide is free proliferate while you cast your spells. Lim-Dul's Vault is a better tutor than Diabolic Tutor (maybe you should run both). // I would also upgrade the removal package to make it more versatile: Utter End instead of Sylvan Reclamation, Anguished Unmaking instead of Viridian Corrupter (if you want to win with infect, you have to fully commit to it), Abzan Charm (great versatility) instead of Mortify. Swan Song (better because cost less) or Arcane Denial instead of Mystic Confluence (5 mana is a lot to hold in a proactive deck). If you need even more removal, Beast Within and Swords to Plowshares are cheap ones to pick. // In terms of finishers, you could swap out Tuskguard Captain for Herald of Secret Streams. Odric, Lunarch Marshal has great synergy with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice. Champion of Lambholt, Managorger Hydra, Chasm Skulker and Cathars' Crusade require quick answer, or else they win you the game. // In the card advantage department, Bred for the Hunt, Path of Discovery (also create counters), Shapers of Nature (also create counters), Zameck Guildmage and Etched Oracle are repeatable draw while Rishkar's Expertise, Prime Speaker Zegana, Painful Truths and the aforementioned Abzan Charm are 1-shot card draw. I recommend replace Manifold Insights and Mirrorweave with Rishkar's Expertise and Prime Speaker Zegana. It is important to have about 10 ramp sources, 10 draw sources, 5 target removal and at least 3 boardwipes, and you should look for cards that can do more than 1 thing (like Abzan Charm) because they are the most versatile (therefore valuable) cards in your deck. // Guildmages' Forum is a strict upgrade over Opal Palace, because it can put counters on other creatures. I would also reduce the number of tapped lands in the deck, so you can reliably play something on turn 2. Blossoming Sands, Thornwood Falls, Tranquil Cove, Azorius Chancery, Dreadship Reef (doesn't provide colors right away) should be the first ones to be swapped. Some nice cards that enter the battlefield untapped are Caves of Koilos, Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Reflecting Pool, Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds, Morphic Pool, Gavony Township, Watery Grave, Hallowed Fountain, Godless Shrine, Breeding Pool (the last 4 are all getting reprinted).

elfric on Breakfast Hulk

2 weeks ago

while everyone is trying to cut dead cards, calculate the average mana cost of a deck, count the number of counter/removal/protection i thought i want to look at another strenght about decks.

this is a view only about how much density there is in decks to find quick 2 card combos. the bigger the web between soft tutors in addition to hard tutors and overlapping combopieces the more opportunities will arise on average through all games you play.

but one can visualize this web and count the numbers to see a decks combo opportunity.

call it useless i had a moment free and did this anyway XD

  • 1st 3-6-5 -> 8-11
  • 2nd 5-2-5 -> 10-7
  • 3rd 5-2-5 -> 10-7
  • 4th 5-5-5 -> 10-10
  • 5th 5-10-5 -> 10-15


Breakfast Hulk

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primary combo

bomberman

summoning sickness opportunity combo

breakfast

super secret tech 2 card combo

extra goods

tymna + ramp = good topdecks because of the "restricted" tutors

tutor chains can get you anything you desire. not fast but extending the tutor reach for all combos by quite a bit.

2 more decks

  • FCP 11-22 & 6-9
  • Shaper Taint 10-11 & 8-11

Avacidal_maniac on

3 weeks ago

Some really good cards for Oloro are Test of Endurance and Felidar Sovereign since Oloro just kinda sits his lazy ass in the command zone forever, you'll be gaining a heap of life and these cards make you win if you have a certain amount of life, a combo that is good for any life gain oriented decks is the Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond combo as all it takes to trigger is your gain 2 life at upkeep trigger and you win.

Not got enough card draw? fret not as cards like Greed and Necropotence can provide you with it at a cheap one life per card. if your creatures are killed, use Phyrexian Reclamation. Want even more life? try Paradox Haze to give you not one upkeep, BUT TWO.

I would also recommend a few tutors as black is by far the strongest colour for tutors. I would recommend Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Diabolic Revelation, Increasing Ambition, Lim-Dul's Vault and anything else.

The usual win condition I see with Oloro decks is they combo off and win that way, some combos that work well with Oloro other than the Exquisite/bond combo is probably the following Reveillark/Karmic Guide+ any sac outlet and something dumb like Blood Artist or Zulaport Cutthroat

Aetherflux Reservoir+Children of Korlis Nuke two players with one stone.

create infinite mana somehow and then play Debt to the Deathless to drain everyone to death.

overall I would say this deserves an upvote because as much as I hate Oloro decks, I'll admit they are effective at what they do.

Penthoplayer on Yidris, combo storm

3 weeks ago

Ancestral Vision and Wheel of Fate are excellent cards to hit on Yidris, especially on the combo turns.

Mystic Remora is amazing card advantage if your playgroup isn't super heavy on creature spells.

Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual, Lotus Petal, and Lim-Dul's Vault are just amazing value cards.

Before I go further, though, I need to ask your budget and how powerful you want this deck. Depending on your answer, I can also make removal suggestions.

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