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Look at the top five cards of your library. As many times as you choose, you may pay 1 life, put those cards on the bottom of your library in any order, then look at the top five cards of your library. Then shuffle your library and put the last cards you looked at this way on top of it in any order.
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Lim-Dul's Vault Discussion
11 hours ago
You might want to see Win with Self Mill.
Lim-Dul's Vault is really helpful in my deck, and is probably one of my favorite tutors.
1 week ago
Hey, may I ask why don't you run more tutors? Like Fabricate, Gamble, Lim-Dul's Vault and maybe Vampiric Tutor if you have the budget instead of adding massive amounts of redundancy into your Sharuum combo; repeated pieces aren't that useful, and in my experience with the deck you are more likely to combo off with Nim Deathmantle/Eldrazi Displacer + Ashnod's Altar/Krark-Clan Ironworks than with Sharuum the Hegemon or Saheeli Rai. Maybe I'm just wrong too, idk.
Isn't Trading Post pretty slow? I think you're better off running Phyrexian Arena or maybe even Ob Nixilis Reignited for the card advantage, not sure if the recursion part in Trading Post is working out for you. The sac effect sure is nice in combination with your combo kill conditions, but idk. Another possible card for that slot is Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas, maybe it might interest you. Ah, and Toxic Deluge is an awesome sweeper that I think would add a lot of resiliency to your deck.
Anyways, this is the list I currently use irl, I'd really appreciate if you could take a look at it and give me your insight! Good luck to us!
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2 weeks ago
Oh, and there was one very memorable game that Lim-Dul's Vault made super easy.
2 weeks ago
I forgot to mention, between low block potential and very high cmc, all 3 bolas cards are too slow and only really get one activation for soo much mana
But what ive noticed as i put money into the deck is it does best when played like storm, casting rocks and rituals and a pain spell and then chaining wheels for spike damage, the cumulative upkeep stuff is rather slow and really draws hate from opponents before you can kill them, and you are forcefeeding draw but you dont necessarily want them to use the cards you let them draw,
Price of Knowledge is ok, but in order to achieve the speed for storm, its really hard on the mama base, the only card above 6 cmc i run in mine is Kozilek, Butcher of Truth or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, and i never cast them they're only as a more useful Library of Leng
On top of being able to chain wheels after sticking a 1-4 cmc pain enchantment like Liliana's Caress Underworld Dreams or a discard/draw/combo engine 4-6 cmc like Dream Halls, Waste Not Rhystic Study, playing dimir colors means you have access to the best tutors for wheels and graveyard recursion, ive found that filling my graveyard by discarding wheels as a massive secondary hand and then either resetting the mill with the eldrazi titan while milling opponents out often removes the need for Library of Leng, but its a good card to learn the deck in the sense it teaches you what you want to keep or discard during wheels, plus if you have 50 cards in graveyard casting a Yawgmoth's Will or Mizzix's Mastery usually wins me the game with either 300-500 burst damage or decking opponents
Theres plenty of budget ways to recast wheels and other important spells from the graveyard you usually can fill up relatively fast
Non budget versions would be
Tutors really help you with getting the enchantments, protection or wheels you need to gain the lead, ill start with budget
Better but more expensive options
2 weeks ago
Off the top of my head I can't think of any in the colors that I see often. As for mana dork hate its hard to beat Earthquake especially since it doesn't hit Kess. Toxic Deluge is another I would probably say should go in most black decks and its great against mana dorks. Other cards you might want to consider are Lim-Dul's Vault for a tutor and if you are trying to go for the Mind's Desire plan Helm of Awakening makes all your mana rocks that cost 2 mana neutral so you can bounce them with Hurkyl's Recall and recast them for a huge storm count before Mind's Desire. Paradox Engine is also very good for that strategy so maybe there is a reason to leave it in.
4 weeks ago
cdkime - I also had Jace Beleren and Temple Bell on my list, so it's good to hear some confirmation there. As for tutors, I think I'm only running two with Mystical Tutor and Demonic Tutor. Mystical Tutor I think stays for sure because I can wheel, and hold priority to cast the tutor, place a wheel on top of my deck, then draw it and use it. You make a good point about drawing enough cards that I don't need a lot of tutors, so maybe I will toy with cutting Demonic Tutor, the downside of course being I sacrifice some ability to find cards for specific scenarios. One thing I am worried about with cutting Breathstealer's Crypt is not having enough damage. Your argument against Sire Of Insanity is valid, I will pay close attention to that as I continue to test the list before purchasing any updates. I was also underwhelmed with Lim-Dul's Vault, so I'm glad to hear someone else thinks it's not super strong here. As for Seizan, Perverter of Truth, I really like this guy. With Nekusar out, he's dealing 4 extra damage per turn to each opponent, and he helps me dig through the deck faster to find more wheels, draw spells, etc.
I think my main concern is not having enough ways to hurt my opponents when they draw cards. Perhaps I need to add Kederekt Parasite back in to make sure I have enough effects. I do think Spiteful Visions needs to stay out though. I don't think I have enough in the way of defence to manage hurting myself as well as being hurt by the rest of the table. Are there any other pain permanents I'm missing that you know of?
4 weeks ago
Jace Beleren--I playtested him, and generally found his effect too slow to justify a space. One extra card and one extra damage is not significant. Further, he is not protected by your pillowfort cards. Temple Bell has the same issue as Jace's +2 ability.
You have a lot of tutors in your deck. Given the inordinate amounts of card draw this type of deck generates, I found tutors do not add that much, and you could probably cut a few of those.
Breathstealer's Crypt the reveal effect is nifty for scouting what your opponents will do, but even with creature-heavy opponents, you're not getting that much out of the card.
Seizan, Perverter of Truth--I never found myself casting this card. While the damage it inflicts to yourself is inconsequential, I usually found better uses for 5 mana.
Sire Of Insanity works poorly with a bunch of wheels. Many wheels give you cards equal to the number in your hand. If their hand size is zero, your primary "burn" spells fall flat. As you stated, an empty hand is less threatening, but it slows down your kill considerably.
Lim-Dul's Vault is a great card in many decks, but, like other tutors, you are drawing enough cards, and there are enough viable paths to victory that finding the right card is not quite as important.
1 month ago
Ive heard ramos is best used as a storm commander, cast a ton of multicolor spells, then cast double the amount with double the mana
For storm, you're gonna need a LOT of instants, ramp, and "storm" spells
Storm/ multicolor spells
Also, charms are a great way to generate mana with ramos while having many modes for utility and building storm count
And many more..
Storm also needs a lot of tutors and recursion spells if you can afford them
But yea, from what I've heard and seen about ramos, you want to storm multicolor spells in order to cast more spells with the mana and using the insane ramp to win via stuff like Mind's Desire, Grapeshot, Brain Freeze and Tendrils of Agony after a huge storm count of multicolor spells