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Look at the top five cards of your library. As many times as you choose, you may pay 1 life, put those cards on the bottom of your library in any order, then look at the top five cards of your library. Then shuffle your library and put the last cards you looked at this way on top of it in any order.
Lim-Dul's Vault Discussion
1 week ago
1 week ago
After some Games I really noticed how hard it is to get Lands in your hand. Since Niv won't ever get you some from the top of your library. Thought of the Borderposts, but I really don't like them. I made some changes for flat draws.
I often got 2-3 Selesnya cards, so I also got closer to have an even amount of cards from every guild. I need to cut one more Selesnya Card for a Gruul card, but guys, this is hard.
Things I took out:
Lim-Dul's Vault - The base idea was, use it in response to the Niv trigger. But most times no mana after he etb's, or I used it already for copy/flicker
Voidslime - Many Colored Symbols, Don't like counterspells that much, still have 1 ability counter in the deck
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - No spare mana most of the times. No Artifacts, not a critical mass of enchantments
Turn to Mist - Mistmeadow Witch is a Permanent for devotion, and repeatable
Congregation at Dawn - Like Lim Duls
Brago, King Eternal - Idea was T4 Brago, T5 Niv with flicker. Brago gets removed most of the times.
Flower / Flourish - Since it says basic, no need anymore
Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist - Needed to cut more Selesnya
Growth Spiral - Didn't have a Land very often, Urban Evolution took this slot, maybe worth it
Mortify - Orzhov Removal
Mistmeadow Witch - Upgraded Turn to mist
Underrealm Lich - "Draw" to filter for lands
Pain Magnification - Rakdos Card Advantage, Permanent for Devotion
Utter End - More Orzhov, More Removal
Wear / Tear - Good Boros Removal
Mercurial Chemister - Mostly for the Draw, is a permanent for Devotion
Urban Evolution - Draw and Ramp
Spring / Mind - Draw and Ramp, with 7 card handsize often I need to discard. Aftermath does help there
Notion Thief - Don't know why didn't put him in the first Version. Permanent, Carddraw, Stops opponents
I'm open for tips or help, but keep in Mind everything needs to be Two-Colored Landbase may get an upgrade soon. If the deck works really good I'll swap slow fetches for the good ones.
2 weeks ago
I went and I tried playing ten starting hands with this deck, no mulligans:
g1) 2 lands (no green mana), no ramp until turn 3 drawing a signet, no green mana (which is most the ramp) until turn 10
g2) got land, but only counterspells and buried alive in hand. So I couldn't really cast Tasigur to dig until turn 4- felt bad
g4) no black mana until turn 5, hand full of black cards
g7) No lands until turn 4, happens
g8) Isochron Scepter in hand, but nothing good to use it with, played lands until could cast tasigur turn 5
g9) Got two lands, mana conflux and Reliquary Tower . Drawing nahal felt super band turn 3. Turn 4 got a third land, and windfall felt like my best option
So, I found generally speaking, this deck gets Isochron Scepter and wins with it. All other routes feel really bad. I didn't really enjoy the entomb or buried alive options either, but maybe I was missing a combo somewhere. I also I felt like I had abnormal mana issues in this deck- mostly with getting green mana. This might not be a real issue but worth looking at. Reliquary Tower felt very bad. 19 of 34 lands can produce green mana. I'm not sure on the mathematical breakdown in reality but I generally like 24 lands to be able to produce color of each the mana I need- I think you might stay within budget or proxy limitations though so not having all the dual lands and all the fetch lands feels weird. Spire of Industry , Tarnished Citadel , Grand Coliseum and Chromatic Lantern might be odd includes to keep the budget line as well.
Remove every creature that costs 4 or more that doesn't win you the game immediately.
replace with creatures that fetch win \cons
- Rune-Scarred Demon
- Sheoldred, Whispering One
- It That Betrays maybe? A turn 1 it that betrays feels super good to me. Not sure about the math though.
I don't think the deck needs Training Grounds - typically any time it would matter I already have infinite mana. Maybe add in Exhume - sounds weird I know but would have helped reanimating felt smooth, and maybe would help me feeling like we should keep the Consecrated Sphinx .
3 weeks ago
Cover of Darkness is a good tribal evasion-giver.
I highly suggest some sort of top-deck manipulation. Unfortunately, a lot of the best cards in this arena are very expensive: Jace, the Mind Sculptor , Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack all cost a pretty penny. Soothsaying is another good option, as it lets you stack heavy CMC cards on top of the deck to hit opponents more reliably.
You should consider the new ninja they spoiled today: Fallen Shinobi. I think it'll be pretty good.
I think Demonic Tutor is better than Insidious Dreams . I think you should run it if you have access to it. Lim-Dul's Vault is a good sort of tutor, is more affordable, and also allows you to stack your deck with high mana-cost cards to flip off your general.
Commandeer is a good piece of disruption with a high CMC. It's still about $20 though.
Windfall is a good way to refill your hand.
Bolas's Citadel is a good way to get cheaper cards off the top of your deck. Also, if you combo it with the aforementioned Sensei's Divining Top , you can clear annoying lands off the top of your library.
I don't think you should run 36 lands. Cutting 2 or 3 is very much on the table.
Augury Owl should be mainboard. You can play it, scry something big to the top, attack with it the next turn and then ninjutsu out your general to flip the fatty.
Baleful Strix is a good creature you can return with a ninja. When it enters it draws a card, so being able to repeatedly cast it will give you a lot of card advantage. Looter il-Kor and Cloud of Faeries are also good two-drops to be running, as they are difficult to block and provide extra value.
Twilight Prophet is a good card, as it draws extra and works within your decks theme.
Curtains' Call is a good, cost-reducing creature that can two-for-one your opponents.
Morphic Pool is a good dual land.
Good luck with deck building!
1 month ago
1 month ago
I have been trying to find an place for Lim-Dul's Vault any suggestions??
1 month ago
1 month ago
you want help or something? you cant use Lim-Dul's Vault in this deck because you dont have blue avaible with obzedat
Lim-Dul's Vault occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
UB (Dimir): 1.04%
WUB (Esper): 0.78%
BUG (Sultai): 0.59%
UBR (Grixis): 0.58%