Demon of Loathing
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Demon of Loathing

Creature — Demon

Flying, trample

Whenever Demon of Loathing deals combat damage to a player, that player sacrifices a creature.

DemonDragonJ on Diabolical Machinations

2 months ago

I have replaced Blood Tyrant and Garza Zol, Plague Queen with Demon of Loathing and Nicol Bolas, the Ravager  Flip, which reduced this deck's average converted mana cost from 4.42 to 4.37, which is very good, because the newer cards far better fit the theme of this deck than do the older cards; this is the first time that I have put a double-faced card into one of my decks, because I was deliberately avoiding doing so, but that version of Bolas was too excellent to not put into this deck.

multimedia on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

Good choices for cuts and adds.

Unfortunately, don't use the scale here to gauge competitiveness of your deck. It's crap, doesn't work well and it's better to just ignore it, turn it off in the editor. Trust me and everyone else who's helping you here in the comments. Your deck is improving, becoming more competitive with each change.

Yes, Bane of Bala Ged is better than Demon of Loathing, but it has similar drawback since it's also 7 mana and has to attack to trigger. Creatures like Bane and Demon are better in colors that have lots of haste enablers. On a budget Abzan doesn't have them therefore if you're going to play high mana cost creatures they should have an ETB ability or provide value another way. Sun Titan is an example, it's 6 mana, but in my opinion it's better than Bane and Demon since it could reanimate something when it ETB and it can be a combo piece.

I'm not saying to not play creatures who don't do anything the turn they ETB, but those creatures should be lower mana cost, not higher mana cost. Low mana cost to potentially play one and something else that same turn or play one and leave up mana for instant interaction with your opponents. Fauna Shaman is a good example, it can't tap the same turn you play it, but it's a 2 drop not a 7 drop. It's possible that Body Launderer won't do anything the same turn it ETB, but it's 4 drop as well as being a combo piece. These are big differences than a 7 drop.

Currently, your only option is to mutate Nethroi at sorcery speed on your turn thus the creatures you reanimate should give you value or combine to win the game that same turn. You don't want to rely on having those creatures on your next turn, reanimating creatures who don't do anything until they can attack could just waste Nethroi mutate. An opponent may just cast a board wipe and destroy all your creatures potentially not getting much from mutate.

There are effects in Abzan that are like haste such as flash or reanimating at instant speed. An effect that gives flash to a creature would let you cast/mutate Nethroi on an opponent's turn. Doing this lets all creatures you reanimated then attack on your next turn.

When you're playing so many creatures giving them flash can be very useful and also powerful. More instant creature reanimation goes with the strategy of self-mill, consistent creatures in graveyard. You're playing Doomed Necromancer, it and Apprentice Necromancer if they can tap can reanimate on an opponent's turn.

BishopAtavist on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

multimedia in regards to Demon of Loathing would you say that Bane of Bala Ged is equally subpar? It doesn't need to do combat damage, but it does need to attack, the pay off is that it exiles two permanents instead of just sac'ing one creature.

BishopAtavist on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

Well, I cut Zuran Orb, World Shaper, Sanguine Bond, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Dawn of Hope, and Demon of Loathing, in favor of Plaguecrafter, Body Launderer, Karmic Guide, Viscera Seer, Blood Artist, and another dredge card. Llanowar Mentor is in there as well, but I don't remember what I cut to slot him in. Still not sold on him since he's kind of a dead card if I don't get him early in the game.

I need to get over the "competitive scale". I know my deck works better with these changes, but the competitive scale doesn't quite agree. Oh well haha

Thanks again for all these very thoughtful suggestions. I had to kill some darlings, but so it goes.

multimedia on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

Good choice of adding Karmic Guide. Demon of Loathing needs haste meaning Boots. It's drawback which makes it subpar is it has to attack and do combat damage to a player to trigger. It only makes one player sac a creature which is less good in multiplayer Commander for 7 mana.

Plaguecrafter is a better effect in multiplayer Commander for making a player sac a creature because all players have to sac a creature, or if not then a Planeswalker or if not then discard a card.

We understand what Zuran Orb, Ramunap Excavator and World Shaper are for, but the question is do you need them? Out of these three Ramunap Excavator gives the most support. The others are fine cards in another deck, they could be cut for more repeatable self-mill to improve gameplay with Nethroi.

BishopAtavist on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

multimedia it does seem a shame not to attack with a deathtouch, Lifelink creature though haha I think you've sold me on Karmic Guide. Looks like I'll probably be cutting Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Sanguine Bond, Athreos, Shroud-Veiled (since I'm getting rid of a lot of high devotion cards and I have rarely used his coin counter ability like I hoped to), and Sangromancer if not Demon of Loathing, which was kind of a pet card. is a 7/7 creature with flying and trample that makes opponent sac a creature really subpar?

multimedia on Abzan Graveyard Recursion Help

1 year ago

I agree with bushido_man96, consider cutting the life gaining strategy?

You're not comboing with Sanguine Bond and it's a higher mana cost card that's not a creature. Gray Merchant of Asphodel does much less if you're not using it in a combo as the wincon. Dawn of Hope is good repeatable draw when your Commander has lifelink, but attacking with Nethroi shouldn't be priority since you're really playing it for it's 7 mana mutate reanimation not to consistently attacking.

Drizzt Do'Urden and Demon of Loathing are subpar. Yannik, Scavenging Sentinel is another creature who can combo with Karmic Guide and a sac outlet for another all creature wincon combo that Nethroi can reanimate.

Yannik, Scavenging Sentinel + Karmic Guide + Viscera Seer + Blood Artist.

BishopAtavist on Kaalia of the Vast Must …

1 year ago

I don't know if it's less "mainstream" since it was a primary win condition in the Mono-Black Arena precon decks last year, but I do like Demon of Loathing. It fits in with TypicalTimmy's interpretation of cards you might be looking for at the very least haha

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