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Enchantment Creature — Satyr
Whenever an instant or sorcery spell you control deals damage to an opponent, Satyr Firedancer deals that much damage to target creature that player controls.
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Satyr Firedancer Discussion
3 days ago
shrapnel_ Wow, this is a lot of suggestions. Some suggestions aren't bad (mostly old tech) but some of these suggestions are just scrub tier. In this whole list, there's only one card that I haven't actually thought about that's worth a look into testing, and I'll tell you which card that is later.
Firstly, I'll say that I don't think 4x Fireblast is incorrect but then again I don't think 2x is incorrect either. Determining the number of copies of a card you run in a deck really just depends on how often you want to see the card. For me, it is a great finisher but because you have to sac lands for it a finisher is all it is most of the time, so that's why I choose to run it as a 2-of. As I said in a prior comment, it sucks when you get multiple fireblasts clogging your opening hand or if you draw more than 2 a game. For me to want to run a card as a 4-of, I have say yes to the question of "If I could legally run 5 or more copies in this deck, would I do so?" Needless to say, the answer to that question is a hard No for Fireblast. However, saying "yes" to the question is also completely justifiable and logical and I don't think it's bad to run 4 copies. It just doesn't suit my personal preferences.
The great thing about Burn is that the deck can virtually ignore most forms of card advantage in the format. The correct philosophy for a burn player is "It doesn't matter how many cards my opponent draws if they are dead." For example, Shardless BUG is a great matchup for burn despite it being a heavyweight card advantage monster in the mid game. Unless your opponent is playing lands I think the extra card advantage Goblin Guide gives to your opponents is negligible (and I've even had games against lands where Guide made my opponents draw 3 cards in an entire 3-game match). The great thing is, if your opponent doesn't draw land, you get to know what your opponent draws next, so sometimes the drawback isn't even a drawback.
Read my primer for why I choose to run creatures in my burn list, as it includes the criteria for if a creature merits inclusion should you go that route. As per the criteria, Satyr Firedancer is not good enough for Legacy burn, as it doesn't immediately deal damage on it's own. You need another spell to get it started, and at 2 mana that's a lot to ask for just to maybe get a 2-for-one.
The main advantage of permanents in burn is the extra card advantage. If your opponent doesn't have the removal right away, you can hit your opponent for extra damage in subsequent turns without spending any cards to do so. That's why you don't see any creatureless burn decks. It's way too easy for those builds to gas out and run out of cards before killing your opponent because there's little to no repeating sources of damage if you choose to not run any creatures. As for permanents like Sulfuric Vortex, there's little enchantment removal that sees maindeck play, and I personally don't run enough copies to justify any opponents siding in enchantment removal.
Bomat Courier doesn't look too shabby, however. I'll see if any other Legacy burn players are testing it and how it works for them. This is your one suggestion that I actually haven't thought about that merits a look.
I used to run Magma Jet in older versions of the deck years ago but now it just seems too slow, even with the scry. Burn is all about hyper efficiency nowadays and 2 damage for 2 mana is not good enough even with a scry clause attached.
Ball Lightning is too expensive for a creature that can die easily. Spark Elemental is just worse than any of the 16 1-mana bolt spells that we run. I used to run Hellspark Elemental in older versions of the deck (before Eidolon and Swiftspear were printed), but it's pretty old tech at this point. Heck, every card you mention after that point is old tech.
Faithless Looting is useless in this 75. This is burn, play burn spells. Actually, it's slightly worse than useless since it generates -1 card advantage while dealing a grand total of 0 damage.
Glacial Chasm is also useless in our build. What exactly do we need this against? What fair non-combo deck are we slower than? With proper draws burn wins most damage races against decks that win using creatures anyway. In addition, saccing lands and eating a land drop is pretty horrible for us since we need to maximize our mana as early as possible. If we drop this turn 2-3 we've essentially wasted a play that could have been used to play a burn spell.
Leyline of Punishment is pretty bad. It's usually a dead draw if you don't start the game with it on the field and it doesn't deal any damage on it's own anyway so I don't think it's worth the dead draw risk. Patrick Sullivan (or some other Modern Naya burn player on SCG I don't remember exactly) wrote an article on why the Leyline was bad and even suggested that Skullcrack was a better sideboard card than Leyline.
I think Volcanic Fallout is a better Sideboard card than Flamebreak since most creatures played in legacy are X/2's. There's not many X/3 creatures being played at the moment. With blue creature decks running around in the format, I believe the uncounterable clause is more important than being able to nab an X/3 and getting around regeneration.
3 days ago
Hey fuster. I REALLY like burn too. It is great to have a <$300 deck that can stand up to $3000 decks in the format. Everyone hates us though, I guess that's the tradeoff.
I second what Rusty_Shackleford says to having 4x Fireblast. You will rarely get more than two a game and having an 8 damage finisher AFTER dropping 4 mana on spells turn 4 is a pretty much guaranteed end. Fireblast is just insane.
Most burn lists do have 4x Goblin Guide in them. I don't like the card acceleration it gives opponents.
The main card advantage of burn is the lack of permanents. Lacking artifacts/creatures/enchantments makes a lot of removals useless. Consider going creatureless as possible. I have creatures in my deck just because some like Monastery Swiftspear are so synergistic though.
Vexing Devil is NASTY. Worth a look into. Most people see it and choose to eat the 4 damage, which is great. I've also seen some people toying with Bomat Courier for a quick hand reload. Might be worth a look as well.
Magma Jet is slower, but the scry really helps me sometimes. I take it in and out of my mainboard since I have mixed feelings about it. Worth considering I think.
Ball Lightning, Hellspark Elemental, Spark Elemental, and Faithless Looting are all worth considering I think. I don't include any in my current deck, but have in the past. I used to run Hellspark Elemental with Needle Drop, Lava Dart, Faithless Looting, Keldon Marauders, and Quest for Pure Flame. It was fun, but not as fast as my current list (or yours).
I think Glacial Chasm as a 1-2x in burn has a lot of potential and isn't used often. If you drop this turn 2-4 with a deck that has no life gain or tendrils, you just bought yourself enough turns to win.
3 weeks ago
And I've added Koth of the Hammer to the wishlist; I agree that he should be in here.
3 weeks ago
Koth of the Hammer is a great burn planeswalker.
3 weeks ago
, thanks for the suggestions and the upvote. I'll have to look into picking those cards up, I don't have any of them besides the Satyr Firedancer.
Also, I did not know that they changed the rules to combat damage only. That really puts a kink in my scheme! Dwamnit! Thanks for the help...I may have to rethink my game plan a bit here!
3 weeks ago
I would add in Braid of Fire and Vedalken Orrery. Vedalken Orrery is just a good card overall to make your sorceries be able to do more. Braids of Fire can be sweet with Vedalken Orrery as extra mana, plus Hammer of Bogardan could be brought back in the upkeep, cast in the upkeep, and brought back depending on how much mana is on it. Also, any spells with X in the cost become significantly better if you can cast them in your upkeep with Vedalken Orrery. I also don't see Bonfire of the Damned, I feel like that is a great red card to have in a burn type deck. I understand you are going somewhat chandra tribal here, but Satyr Firedancer is another one I feel like could be a great addition.
A decent tutor for your deck could be Gamble. It will backfire occasionally, but it's one of the only thing red has as a decent tutor.
I also want to let you know that Chandra, Roaring Flame Flip cannot kill anyone with commander damage. The 21 damage rule has been changed to only be COMBAT damage. Unless Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh Flip attacks someone for the damage, you still have to damage them equal to their life total.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I took out the Satyr Firedancer Browbeat and Magma Jet. These work really well for me at home but are not very competitive. I favor Titan's Strength over Brute Force because of the scry effect, and similarly that's why I like Magma Jet and even Browbeat because even with 80 cards I can still pull off every single combo by turn 5