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Seizan, Perverter of Truth
Legendary Creature — Demon Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player loses 2 life and draws two cards.
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Seizan, Perverter of Truth Discussion
1 month ago
Personally, I would lose the discard sub-theme and one-use cards like tutors and less-value draw to make room for cards with more synergy.
Suggestions for cuts :
- Vision Skeins
- Diabolic Tutor
- Mystic Retrieval
- Pull from the Deep
- Liliana's Caress
- Waste Not
- Geth's Grimoire
Suggestions for adds:
- Library of Leng (Very important in this deck!)
- Kess, Dissident Mage
- Master of the Feast
- Nin, the Pain Artist
- Seizan, Perverter of Truth
- Stormbreath Dragon
- Memory Jar
- Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Khorvath's Fury
Hope this helps!
1 month ago
If you want to bring the deck cost down to fit something else, Mana Cache is a cheap, not-quite-as-good replacement for Mana Flare . I was actually surprised to see Mana Flare in your deck with your $$ target.
I really like Seizan, Perverter of Truth in group hug, but it's $$$.
Mass Hysteria is also one of my favorite group hug cards, but is similar in $$$.
Horn of Plenty is a cheap, common group hug include.
As for what you get remove, I like Humble Defector in 1v1, but not multiplayer. Depends on your meta. I'm not convinced Undying Evil is adding enough value with the rest of your deck. I love curses in group hug, but Curse of Vengeance is probably one you could go without.
4 months ago
blazestudios23, thanks for the suggestions! Card draw can be tricky when trying to balance the other themes of the decks. Have you tried adding something like Smothering Abomination ? Adding cards like Altar's Reap , Bankrupt in Blood , Costly Plunder , Live Fast , and Sign in Blood are all pretty swell. If you're feeling like being generous, Seizan, Perverter of Truth is great, since he spreads the love and the cards.
Mana is solved through the use of handy trinkets like Ashnod's Altar , Phyrexian Altar , and the signets. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky, but the number of games that I've been mana-screwed has been pretty low. Palinchron could be added in for kicks, if you're hurting for mana.
My hesitation with Black Market is that it takes a while for it to get up and running, and it usually gets removed before it can contribute anything remotely useful. I might add it to the sideboard, in case I'm playing another deck with a lot of creatures dying, but I don't think its inclusion would be merited by my creatures alone. Phyrexian Tower would be absolutely great if it weren't a once-a-turn kinda thing. After I tap it, either for one mana or two, it becomes a dead card until next turn.
Neheb, the Eternal makes it a little tricky to keep my opponents' life totals in check, which is necessary to make sure Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone ability triggers. Sure, the extra mana is nice, but keeping my opponents' life totals in check until I'm ready to end the game is easier done without Afflict. While Scourge of the Throne looks like it would be an awesome card, I would only consider it to be a win condition. Again, this ties into makuing sure my opponents' life totals aren't so low that I wouldn't be able to trigger Marchesa, the Black Rose 's Dethrone, which the deck is based around.
Thanks so much for your suggestions! You've definitely given me more options to consider!
4 months ago
what an awesome deck, its really impressive. I will try to build a budget version, of it. But I have small question for my own understanding. First, isn't Wheel and Deal banned in EDH? Does Viseling really works? For me it looks a bit slow. What are your experiences with this card? And what are your experiences with cards like Forced Fruition or Seizan, Perverter of Truth ? They looking really powerful but flow as well.
Thumbs up! Great Deck and I am really interested to hear about your experiences. Semsandberg
5 months ago
Darth_Savage I think Reforge the Soul would be an amazing addition here. I overlooked it because I only looked for cards with lower mana costs, I didn't even consider there can be a Miracle card that's suitable for my deck, thanks!
A very early version of this deck did feature cards like Whispers of Emrakul and Wrench Mind, but in the end these discards were not potent enough- Dark Deal or Reforge the Soul that you mentioned can cause a 7-card discard, and even Burning Inquiry is a 3-card discard for one mana.
Do you maybe have any card suggestions for surviving before the combo gets activated? I haven't played against any control-heavy deck with it yet, even in playtests, so I'm not really sure what pieces could help. Thanks for your input!
5 months ago
Reforge the Soul, would give you another Wheel of Fate effect.
This is just off the top of my head (to be fair I have a deck which plays in this space Grixis Owl-ing Mine) so there are probably more... Hope this inspires you, good luck brewing your deck.
7 months ago
maxon: any card that discourages an opponent from playing a certain way. Examples (as I probably described that in a not-great way) include Dread and No Mercy to discourage attacking me, Aura of Silence and Seal of Cleansing to discourage artifacts and enchantments, and Portcullis and Grave Peril to discourage creatures
I’d say most removal, counterspell, and fog effects can be used politically, especially if they’re repeatable. Cracking Spore Frog in Meren of Clan Nel Toth to save an opponent could have them owe you a debt, or pointing a removal spell at the Mind Over Matter or other combo piece can curry favor with every at the table (except the guy trying to combo off). This probably wasn’t exactly what you were looking for, but I think it’s worth mentioning.
7 months ago
Starke of Rath is on-theme, although removing stuff might lead to less choice overall
Seizan, Perverter of Truth occurrence in decks from the last year
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