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Seizan, Perverter of Truth
Legendary Creature — Demon Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player loses 2 life and draws two cards.
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Seizan, Perverter of Truth Discussion
1 week ago
So, i definitely made this deck and the problem I run into is I have no draw power. After my initial apostle combo, I falter. Getting six apostles down, plus other small things like blood artist, really drains your hand by turn 5, and then I have nothing to do, especially if that first combo is countered or if the demon is removed. I'm throwing in some Crypt Ghast, some Infernal Scarring, some Indulgent Tormentor and a Seizan, Perverter of Truth. However, i don't know if that will rectify the problem, and all card draw in black has life drain attached to it, and with not a lot of life gain in this deck, except for grizzy, I'm hesitant to use those. Especially because my initial combo is sac my apostles, get a Rune-Scarred Demon, search for an immortal servitude, use that next turn, and then have two demons on the field. In most games, that's a winner, but that combo doesn't go down that way every time. What do yall think? I have not yet won a game with this deck.
1 month ago
Seizan, Perverter of Truth is a really nice addition to Nekusar EDH, since he burns, and allows Nekusar to burn your opponents some more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, I can only see two wheels in this deck (Time Reversal and Whispering Madness). In my opinion, you cannot have a Nekusar EDH without a decent number of wheels. I would suggest Wheel of Fate, Reforge the Soul, Molten Psyche, Windfall, Winds of Change, and Magus of the Wheel.
1 month ago
Upvoted as well :)
1 month ago
cdkime - I also had Jace Beleren and Temple Bell on my list, so it's good to hear some confirmation there. As for tutors, I think I'm only running two with Mystical Tutor and Demonic Tutor. Mystical Tutor I think stays for sure because I can wheel, and hold priority to cast the tutor, place a wheel on top of my deck, then draw it and use it. You make a good point about drawing enough cards that I don't need a lot of tutors, so maybe I will toy with cutting Demonic Tutor, the downside of course being I sacrifice some ability to find cards for specific scenarios. One thing I am worried about with cutting Breathstealer's Crypt is not having enough damage. Your argument against Sire Of Insanity is valid, I will pay close attention to that as I continue to test the list before purchasing any updates. I was also underwhelmed with Lim-Dul's Vault, so I'm glad to hear someone else thinks it's not super strong here. As for Seizan, Perverter of Truth, I really like this guy. With Nekusar out, he's dealing 4 extra damage per turn to each opponent, and he helps me dig through the deck faster to find more wheels, draw spells, etc.
I think my main concern is not having enough ways to hurt my opponents when they draw cards. Perhaps I need to add Kederekt Parasite back in to make sure I have enough effects. I do think Spiteful Visions needs to stay out though. I don't think I have enough in the way of defence to manage hurting myself as well as being hurt by the rest of the table. Are there any other pain permanents I'm missing that you know of?
1 month ago
Jace Beleren--I playtested him, and generally found his effect too slow to justify a space. One extra card and one extra damage is not significant. Further, he is not protected by your pillowfort cards. Temple Bell has the same issue as Jace's +2 ability.
You have a lot of tutors in your deck. Given the inordinate amounts of card draw this type of deck generates, I found tutors do not add that much, and you could probably cut a few of those.
Breathstealer's Crypt the reveal effect is nifty for scouting what your opponents will do, but even with creature-heavy opponents, you're not getting that much out of the card.
Seizan, Perverter of Truth--I never found myself casting this card. While the damage it inflicts to yourself is inconsequential, I usually found better uses for 5 mana.
Sire Of Insanity works poorly with a bunch of wheels. Many wheels give you cards equal to the number in your hand. If their hand size is zero, your primary "burn" spells fall flat. As you stated, an empty hand is less threatening, but it slows down your kill considerably.
Lim-Dul's Vault is a great card in many decks, but, like other tutors, you are drawing enough cards, and there are enough viable paths to victory that finding the right card is not quite as important.
1 month ago
Nekusar is my favorite commander and ive been tuning him since printing, I noticed a fellow nekusar player needs some help
My list certainly isnt budget bit its very fast and competitive, maybe itll give you some ideas! Its a primer in progress
Competitive multiplayer nekusar primer if you want to see what a Competitive primer looks like :)
Some budget options i would recommend
Mindcrank + bloodchief ascension = infinite mill/damage/life
Hope that helps :) big ups to the lich king
2 months ago
Want a terrifying pairing? Nekusar, the Mindrazer + Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist, Nin, the Pain Artist, Seizan, Perverter of Truth, or Selvala, Explorer Returned. Never have players hated drawing cards more.