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I've never seen a build like this before, great job! Looks fun to play! +1
July 13, 2018 11:05 a.m.
6ixer, you should put up your list, I'd like to check it out. You're right about Blood Moon, I'll definitely squeeze a couple in to the 75.
July 12, 2018 2:01 p.m.
July 12, 2018 1:21 a.m.
joaoguaxinim, I agree about Reassembling Skeleton. 2 were in a previous version of this deck. I'm not sure what to cut to keep them. Skeleton Archer seems too expensive for its ability. I think I would run Desecration Demon instead.
July 11, 2018 1:25 a.m.
ILuv3M3, Demon of Catastrophes is definitely an option for a similar build. I would include it in a build that doesn't rely on Liliana, Untouched By Death or Stitcher's Supplier as much, because if it's discarded, it's useless other than as lunch for Bone Dragon.
July 10, 2018 5:09 p.m.
Thanks for the +1 and comments jaylawlerrr!!! I agree about splashing white - originally I thought about keeping the deck B/R only, but Lingering Souls synergizes too well with the discard mechanic to pass up. I've never seen Kambal, Consul of Allocation before, interesting, I'll consider it!
July 10, 2018 5:03 p.m.
Thanks for the +1 and comments 6ixer!
I'm aware of Young Pyromancer and mardu pyro decks, but I wanted a build that felt more like mono-black devotion with better draw potential. I'm hoping the splash of red for card draw like Faithless Looting and Tormenting Voice will help me draw the pieces I need, as compared to black cards with life loss like Dark Confidant, Phyrexian Arena, or Sign in Blood. Reanimation from the graveyard is secondary to my goal of hand consistency. I'm approaching the self-discard angle as a plan B, rather than plan A, so graveyard hate won't cripple my plans. That's why I run the Phyrexian Obliterators.
July 9, 2018 4:47 p.m.
Skyler1776, I'm throwing in a couple of Liliana, Death's Majesty and testing it out. I realize I need more late-game punch, like Liliana DM's non-zombie boardwipe. Doomed Dissenter isn't a zombie in the graveyard, so I'm going to pass on it for now.
July 6, 2018 5:52 p.m.
Joaoguaxinim, to choose the creatures, I worked backwards. I started with the lands, the Lilianas, and the Fatal Pushes plus two wildcard slots. Then I tried to include as many creatures as possible to take advantage of Liliana's +1 and -3 abilities and Stitcher's Supplier. Then I looked at the mana curve and I tried to keep costs as low as possible. Since there are so few viable 2-drops, I tried to increase the odds of playing two 1-drops on turn 2. The goal is to be able to tap out completely each turn, so no turn is wasted.
July 5, 2018 1 p.m.
Clark1424, that would probably work as well, but I chose not to go the white route since I already have a white/black modern zombie deck, and I wanted something different for standard.
In my opinion, it's not enough to splash white only for Wayward Servant and Binding Mummy. The latter is not aggro enough. There's no Tidehollow Sculler-equivalent that would make me want to play white. Also, adding white to the manabase reduces consistency and prevents you from using Cabal Stronghold. The Stronghold isn't great, but I think it may help the deck go wide during long games.
Notorioez, the deck will be legal as soon as Core 19 becomes legal.
July 3, 2018 8:07 p.m.
Thanks for the comments Yesso91 and TKDbeast!
If you really want to splash more watery graves, you could throw in Serum Visions or Opt for draw instead of Sign in Blood. Or a couple Mana Leak, Remand, or Countersquall. But the deck really isn't designed for reacting, so I don't recommend this route.
July 2, 2018 11:29 p.m.
Thanks for the comments DonkeyPunch and clark1424.
I've been on the fence about including Josu Vess, Lich Knight because without the kicker, it's a more expensive Plague Belcher without the -2/-2 effect. The earliest I can play Josu kicked is turn 8, assuming I draw the lands I need. But a lot of people seem to think it's worth including, so I'll throw one back in and continue testing.
I have Liliana's Mastery on the sideboard to bring in against control. It's expensive at 5 mana and I think it fits better in a more straightforward zombie build, rather than self-mill.
July 2, 2018 6:18 p.m.
Thanks for the suggestions Maaagic. I've run some simulations with Metallic Mimic, and I am on the fence about including it. It isn't a zombie until it comes into play and only buffs zombies played after it.
Also, I want to include more Lord of the Accursed, but I don't want to run so many 3-drops that it throws off the curve. I'm not sure what to cut to run the full set.
June 30, 2018 5:38 p.m.
Great minds think alike! :) +1
I would swap the Walk the Planks for Fatal Pushes. I think you need more 1-cost spells. Also, I don't think you need both Liliana's Mastery and Open the Graves on the sideboard, and you may want to consider discard like Duress.
June 28, 2018 7:57 p.m.
This deck looks more focused than last time I saw it, good job. Where's the sideboard? :)
June 28, 2018 5:57 p.m.
Thanks cdogdakilla! I appreciate your comments. It's been years since I've played Standard and I do not have a grasp of the entire meta yet.
My conflict is whether to mainboard Desecrated Tomb. It helps in the long run, but in the short run removal may be more useful. I'll think about it.
June 28, 2018 5:30 p.m.
Thanks Morthius! Stitcher's Supplier can be risky because it discards lands and Lilianas, and its really up to you whether you think the risk is worth it. Also the Suppliers should be played and sac'd when the time is right. Ultimately Bone Dragon is there to use up any useless cards in the graveyard.
Apocalypse Demon is interesting but I'm trying to stick to zombies and skeletons only.
June 28, 2018 2:01 p.m.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions!!! I'll heed the advice regarding Desecrated Tomb and add a couple to the mainboard.
I'm trying to focus on self-mill and creature recursion. I think Liliana, Untouched By Death was designed for this reason, and she is actually more efficient than she seems. Between her and Stitcher's Supplier I can fill up my graveyard and bring back 3+ creatures simultaneously. It's almost like having an extension of your hand. This is where Cabal Stronghold comes in (after you control at least 5 swamps). Plus she can gain life and kill indestructible creatures if you control enough zombies.
Metallic Mimic is great, but it can't be brought back from the graveyard, so it doesn't fit this build.
liliana, death's majesty costs 5 mana and only revives a single creature at a time, so for now I'm keeping it as a maybe.
I'm sideboarding Liliana's Mastery for now. It doesn't synergize as much with the discard theme, but the extra bodies and boost may come in handy against control.
June 26, 2018 9:41 p.m.
Also regarding Gifted Aetherborn, its an amazing card, but it doesn't synergize with the zombie/skeleton theme and cannot be cast from the graveyard with Liliana, Untouched By Death. Against burn, I'm hoping Liliana's +1 ability will help with life-gain, but it may not be enough. Battle at the Bridge is on the sideboard for that reason.
June 25, 2018 8:15 p.m.
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