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Conflagrate deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures, players and/or planeswalkers.
Flashback—, Discard X cards. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
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4 months ago
5 months ago
Someone already mentioned a variation of this, but with these three cards you can generate infinite colorless mana and draw as many cards as you need. (You'll also have a free red mana floating at any given point in time.) You then draw into your wincon which will be either Cogwork Assembler, Comet Storm, Conflagrate, Fireball, Meteor Shower or Walking Ballista.
You could also make Blasting Station, Fiery Bombardment, Goblin Bombardment, Makeshift Munitions, Mask of Immolation, Mortarpod or Weaponize the Monsters a wincon here. With your infinite colorless mana you could just cast your commander, sacrifice her to deal a damage and then recast and repeat. Birgi, God of Storytelling Flip will refund whatever red mana you spend throughout any of these processes.
1 year ago
In general, I would reference a non-budget Dredge list (from MTGgoldfish or another website like it) when you make upgrades, since those lists contain all the cards you'll want to get in the exact configurations you'll need. However, the Dredge deck in particular requires large investments alongside certain cards (like sets of fetchlands with Life from the Loam) in order to make them work, which can be difficult to figure out on your own.
I'd recommend making smaller upgrades first; the $25 Mardu version I listed above (Dredge ($25)) adds some white tri-lands to the mana base for Thrilling Discovery, Smiting Helix, and sideboard cards. Any other upgrades you'll want to make are going to be really big investments, so it'll be good to have a solid but fairly inexpensive base to play with while you work towards the more expensive stuff.
Now, it's important to consider which particular variant of Dredge you want to build before you start investing: some decks splash white for Thrilling Discovery and Prismatic Ending, some go for the traditional Jund list, others are straight Mardu. As of right now the most successful Dredge decks are cutting white for 1 mana enablers like Merchant of the Vale and Burning Inquiry for more speed (since graveyard hate is very popular atm). I personally like the white splash, but you do you.
Once you've figured that out, the most important upgrades you'll need to make are to the mana base. Competitive Dredge is heavily reliant on land synergies with Bloodghast, Life from the Loam, and by association Conflagrate (which is usually casted from the graveyard for big X values after filling your hand with lands via Loam). Fetchlands are by far the most important cards to have if you want to go this route. Having a nice suite of lands will also help with casting costs, which is always an issue with budget mana bases.
Other than that, the only upgrade you can really make until you have the lands is adding 3 Ox of Agonas for 1 Haunted Dead and 2 Smiting Helix; it's not too expensive to do this, but it also happens to be better with fetchlands, as they help pay for Ox's escape cost.
For lands, you'll want 8 R/X fetches, 4-5 R/X Dual lands, a couple fastlands, 3ish five-color lands, and one or two basics (~19 lands total). My recommendation for a 4c (RBgw) list:
- 4 Bloodstained Mire
- 4 Wooded Foothills
- 2 Stomping Ground
- 2 Blood Crypt
- 1 Sacred Foundry
- 1 Copperline Gorge
- 3 Gemstone Mine or a split of Gemstone Mine and City of Brass/Mana Confluence
- 2 Mountain
- Note: you don't have to get green lands like Stomping Ground until you have Life from the Loam.
- +3 Ox of Agonas, -2 Smiting Helix, -1 Haunted Dead
- +3 Life from the Loam, -3 Silversmote Ghoul Must have fetchlands
- +1 Bloodghast, -1 Silversmote Ghoul Must have fetches and Loam
- +2 Conflagrate, -1 Darkblast, -1 Golgari Thug Must have Loam
Hope this helps!
1 year ago
I've been out of the loop for some 20 odd years, but the challenge of putting together a Fog/Burn deck sounds enticing! The "turbo fog" archetype, typically has a card-draw engine in place, and a bunch of fogs to stall out your opponent — as for a burn version, it might make sense to use some direct damage spells that synergize with the extra cards you and your opponents will be holding, due to the draw effect.
Some ideas of cards that play off each other:
DRAW ENGINE: (the card drawing should allow for more consistency, since you'll have more fogs ready for each turn)
FOGS: (add more fogs, but preferably not "frogs" — they're vulnerable to damage and removal)
BURNS: (here's a list of burns that take advantage of the extra cards both you and your opponents will be holding, and punishing the opponent for drawing as well)
Runeflare Trap , Molten Psyche (an interesting burn, since you should have enough artifacts in play, and works with the Runeflare Trap), Spiraling Embers , Sudden Impact , Conflagrate , Fateful Showdown , Gaze of Adamaro
1 year ago
If you are playing a budget storm list, Lava Dart & Conflagrate will add reach and multiple spell casts. Escape Velocity or Underworld Rage-Hound type escape cards makes fossil find a lot better. Just jamming stuff that reads 'when spell' and 'draw a card' will work ok - though meta consideration, luminmancer is making people pack removal for that plan.
Force of Rage is fairly cheap and a pair of ambush vipers can be useful.
There are some cool sideboard options - Tunnel Ignus , Sulfur Elemental , Ingot Chewer and so forth, but they have mostly been balanced around Flamekin Harbinger which is out of budget, so slots will dissapear quick - I'd look at hiding some mainboard.
1 year ago
I like coming up with infinite combos and sometimes I wind up with an infinite combo that makes endless colorless mana. I want to know what card is best for sinking all that mana into? While I'm aware that I can use a card like Gemstone Array to make infinite colored mana or I could use a card like Staff of Domination to draw multiple cards, I instead want one card along with my infinite colorless mana and limited color mana to close out the game by doing any of the following:
-Dealing infinite damage to all opponents.
-Causing infinite life loss to all opponents.
-Creating infinite creature tokens with haste.
-Forcing all opponents to draw out their decks.
-Exiling all opponents' libraries.
-Forcing all opponents into a "lose the game" condition.
-Meeting a "win the game" condition.
I don't consider traditional mill to be a viable way to consistently win the game. Creating infinite tokens without haste I also view as not consistent enough as it gives each opponent the chance to react. Furthermore, infinite life gain isn't viable as commander damage exists.
Of course, without a doubt, Walking Ballista is the clear favorite solution to win the game being able to fit in any deck given its colorless color identity. That being said, I made this thread wanting to know what secondary back-ups would be an apt replacement for Walking Ballista if by some chance it is countered or exiled.
Here are some cards I came up with that work, but I'd like to know from others if I missed any that could do better than these: Aurelia's Fury,, Bloodrite Invoker,, Cogwork Assembler,, Comet Storm,, Conflagrate,, Cut / Ribbons,, Debt to the Deathless,, Dimensional Infiltrator,, Essence Depleter,, Exsanguinate,, Fanning the Flames,, Fireball,, Firecat Blitz,, Goblin Cannon,, Goblin Festival,, Helix Pinnacle,, Oona, Queen of the Fae,, Rolling Thunder,, Tempt with Vengeance,, Torment of Hailfire and Valakut Invoker.
I didn't include any cards that could possibly turn the game into a draw, but I'm still looking for more cards that suit the criteria I've put out.
1 year ago
Firstly, thank you for the compliments, they are much appreciated, getting to your questions though, I will preface with saying that at this point I have played a lot more WITH the new additions to taxes than against it on Ad Naus meaning I do not have a ton of concrete data to back up my points.
My opinions on the matchup have not changed much, I still believe it to be relatively comfortable though with a strong margin of error dependent on pilot. I will focus here first solely on the mono-white version. Skyclave Apparition is a card I am only worried about inasmuch as they tend to play the playset. Granted they can slow down our development, or worse tag Phyrexian Unlife, but at the end of the day I think we need to evaluate what that line of play translates to for us. If we assume our opponent is playing Skyclave Apparition on turn 3 in an effort to stagger our development. I believe we are fairly safe to assume that Stoneforge Mystic was not the turn 2 play (in most circumstances, perhaps we are on the play and they fear a turn 4 win which is also a possible scenario). With this in mind we need to consider what this means for our opponents clock. The other 2 drops in their deck (pre-board) are Leonin Arbiter and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, if they are playing Skyclave Apparition turn 3 then we can also assume healthily that the latter was not the play as in that case scenario they have less to fear as concerns a turn 4 win. So let's assume they have played Leonin Arbiter, they now have 2 damage on board at least, turn 1 could have been Aether Vial in which case we can expect another 2-drop at end of turn, again a 2-drop likely with 1/2 power. Add to this the 2 of the Skyclave Apparition and we are at 5/6 past this turn cycle. Overall I like being in that spot even if we have lost a Pentad Prism, of course scenarios could change if we were reliant on that Pentad Prism but being reliant on 1 rock is already a good way to lose against taxes. I bring this all up because a turn 3 Skyclave Apparition precludes an effective Stoneforge Mystic sequence by at least 1 turn, which is a scenario I am more than willing to accept at the cost of a Pentad Prism. We still go well over D&T's head, so delaying their most effective means of killing us quickly is, in this scenario, what I would consider a net neutral gain. I do not want to come across as dismissive here though, they play a playset of Skyclave Apparition, that is something we have to be aware of, in other words, Lotus Bloom becomes ever more important. Here, Phyrexian Revoker becomes relevant, as having the ability to both shut off and remove or set-up and thus be able to be more selective is an issue we need to address, a point I'll get to shortly.
As regards Archon of Emeria, yes. This card is an issue. I will say it has the distinct advantage for us of not being Deafening Silence which I would argue is far worse for us. I will start by saying if D&T is of great concern to you I would consider a mainboard Echoing Truth solely on account of this card, that said in a wide meta that isn't viable and we then have to be smart about beating it. One such way to beat it would technically be to cast Ad Nauseam on opponent's end step with a Phyrexian Unlife active and leave one card in the deck, we can then win the following turn with Thassa's Oracle, be aware though that the line opens us up to the aforementioned Skyclave Apparition, probably a risk we would have to take in that scenario. Most lists run two Archon of Emeria so there is a decent chance we don't have to deal with it game one but yes it is a card that has the ability to shift the balance in our opponent's favor when it comes down. I also should point out, in case someone else is reading this as well, that the lands entering tapped clause is very relevant and should be considered as it can slow us down considerably.
Moving to sideboarding considerations then, Grand Abolisher is fairly solid yes, as to whether it does enough is a bit of a trickier question. Personally, I think we should not underestimate it's ability versus equipment and Stoneforge Mystic, but yes it is most useful for shutting off vial shenanigans such as end-step Flickerwisp. If D&T is a concern I would likely consider up to 2 Grand Abolisher however Grand Abolisher doesn't exactly solve any problem inasmuch as it nullifies issues while we address the larger problem. In the current meta I think we have to start with upping the amount of removal, 1 Slaughter Pact provides some great utility as a one of, and then 3 Path to Exile should be sufficient here to answer the most problematic creatures whilst maintaining relevance against the others popular decks in the format. Again I also like Echoing Truth and even Abrupt Decay effects I believe have some great utility here.
Addressing a potential rise in metashare, I will preface with saying I don't see that necessarily happening as a long time D&T player myself. The deck is too much of a meta deck really to reach Hogaak levels of play to draw a comparison, that said with the current meta the way it is I wouldn't be surprised if D&T got to 5-15% of the field, at which point your argument for a board wipe could be a consideration. We have to ask ourselves then what is popular if D&T is getting that big. Spirits seems like something that could be considered there, Gruul also seems a safe bet, forgive me for it is late and I can't think of a ton off the top of my head, in the environment that D&T is likely to foster then, board wipes would be a good choice, the question though would be which board wipe? Bontu's Last Reckoning is certainly the most efficient, but it is far from the only option. I have always been a fan of Settle the Wreckage for instance, and Supreme Verdict is also a viable option. In the face of a lot of D&T and the decks that would accompany its rise I would also strongly consider a plan B in the sideboard. Grave Titan has the ability to more or less keep up with D&T, Keranos, God of Storms is also decent there weirdly, Dragonlord Dromoka and similar cards are also viable, as is Inferno Titan as a sort of catch all, being a plan B but also a potential mini-boardwipe. In other words, I don't think fear of D&T should throw you onto a boardwipe by and of itself, but rather D&T and the creature decks that could come behind it if it gets very popular.
As for Hushbringer, no I don't think it's particularly great even though it's a cool thought. The big issue I have is that we will only have access to it in postboard games, meaning we could be put into a bad situation with a Phyrexian Revoker naming Lightning Storm and us then having a useless card in hand with Hushbringer, even worse is if they are playing straight Pithing Needle which would be a huge blowout naming Lightning Storm. As the deck is currently constructed then its a cool idea but a bit too risky for my liking. If you want to play Hushbringer you do have some options though, siding out all the oracles and playing Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Laboratory Maniac, or something more obscure such as Conflagrate (which does have some additional utility in this matchup) could make it possible. Then though you would have to be willing to accept the loss of a sideboard slot for an alternate win-con that still needs to function within the combo, I'd argue that is worse than just playing a plan B. A more out there solution would be to run a Gifts Ungiven package in the board with Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite. With that you would have a plan B (albeit a card intensive one for your board) and a board wipe that both allows you to play Hushbringer as a piece of hate (Thassa's Oracle would likely be the cut for the package post-board), and play around Archon of Emeria effectively. I won't endorse that as the most competitive solution but I feel it's certainly something to consider if D&T and the decks it brings are very prominent in your local meta. As you rightly state, the manabase we have allows us to really tinker with quite a bit here so we have no shortage of options.
In summation though I still like the matchup, it has gotten a bit closer I will concede, down from 70-30 to probably closer to 55-45 if I am being generous lacking a substantial amount of data. At the end of the day we still go over their head meaning the burden is on them to stop us not so much for us to win, if that makes any sense, I apologize if it doesn't. Archon of Emeria though is a real issue, and one that should be taken seriously, maybe even necessitating an Echoing Truth on main in certain metas. On a much different note, the BW versions are much tougher. Tidehollow Sculler wears equipment well and interacts with us in a meaningful way. There I am more concerned as we are being attacked on two axes, and while we still go over their head, they can slow us down and drain us of resources in a much more meaningful way than the mono-white builds.
Thank you for the comment, I apologize if this is hard to follow, like I have said it is nearly 2 a.m. here and I didn't want to keep you waiting. If you have further questions, or just clarification of my thoughts here, please do let me know. I plan on revisiting this tomorrow (I suppose really later today) and seeing if there is anything else I should say regarding this matchup, if there is I will certainly let you know.
2 years ago
Some of these suggestions might not be strong enough, but I think Firestorm is an going to be one of the best non-counterspell interactive spells for this deck. Rites of Refusal deserves consideration for a slot over at least Counterspell despite not being a true hard counter.
Along the line of Firestorm, Conflagrate and Turbulent Dreams can be considered at the same time. I think Ideas Unbound probably doesn't make the cut, but is worth consideration. These are all probably stronger than Flux, which seems to be the weakest link currently.