Debt to the Deathless
Each opponent loses two times X life. You gain life equal to the life lost this way.
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Debt to the Deathless Discussion
2 weeks ago
Krav and Regna are great and this looks fun. I run some of these in my Teysa, Orzhov Scion deck and run Krav and Regna themselves in my list. Just curious if you've thought about using Exsanguinate , Torment of Hailfire , or Debt to the Deathless as they all synergize with the life gain theme and can close out games, particularly with Black Market or Smothering Tithe which you're running. You probably wouldn't want to run all of those in your list, but at least one of them as an alternate win con could be nice.
3 weeks ago
As a baseline, you'll need to add lands, which I'm sure you know. Since you're making Treasure and Gold tokens in this deck you'd probably be good with roughly 34-36 lands, leaning more to the most mana color you'll need, say like a 25/25/50 split if thats what you're going for.
While I do like Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls they have a high mana cost as most good Angels do, while Tariel synergizes well with your strategy she does have that randomness factor and would advise a more reliable and consistent option. Gisela speeds up the game. As a player this is good and accelerates the game, but as an opponent my first priority would be to get rid of Gisela and that paints an even bigger target on your back.
Restoration Angel is fantastic for your edict effects, at face value. You'd need to run flicker effects to really make it shine. Basandra, Battle Seraph seems really good, forcing people to attack is nice and it prevents players from casting anything in combat, however it means instant speed removal will be used before the combat step. This also stops you from casting spells in combat.
As for Human synergy, I really like Teysa Karlov , Thalisse, Reverent Medium , Queen Marchesa , General's Enforcer and Fain, the Broker . All of them work very well with the token strategy, especially Teysa and Thalisse
Things I wouldn't necessarily include are cards like Juri, Master of the Revue (as good as she is with Fling ), General Kudro of Drannith (incidental unless you go all in on the Human tribal strategy), Devout Chaplain (same reason for Kudro), or Dire Fleet Hoarder (basically a one time effect unless you jump through the Teysa hoop, yes it does give you a Treasure token, but at a cost of 2 mana and the creature dying).
As for Demons I really like the Archfiend of Depravity and Rakdos, the Showstopper , their mass sacrifice effects are wonderful, however Rakdos does effect your board heavily unless you play to his synergies, you wouldn't want Negan to die to his effect would you?
-When it comes to your Dragons, I think you hit the nail on the head, nothing I would really change or take out. Allows for Magda, Brazen Outlaw to have a decent outlet if you don't want an artifact.
-Finally, the other things you've got going. Dockside should just be an auto-include, albeit a heavy price tag, but if you can get one you should definitely include it.
Dark Impostor , while mana intensive is still a decent mana sink that can function effectively as targeted removal. Definitely keep your edict creatures, they are super useful and trigger Negan, and thats what you want.
Starnheim Aspirant is useful if you go super heavy into the Angel theme, but if you skimp on the Angel theme this could very often be a dead card.
Storm-Kiln Artist , I like this a lot for this deck, can be a beater, and generates value.
Vault Robber , seems bad, and bad to do. Synergizes with Magda and makes Treasure tokens, but thats really it... PLUS it requires you to have a creature in YOUR grave. I'd cut this, but if you have a reason to play it I'm not seeing immediately play it in your deck.
Viscera Seer , good card, good sac outlet, not much else to say.
Creatures I'd include based on what I've seen: Solemn Simulacrum , Burnished Hart and Mayhem Devil . Some good ramp and a decent damage dealer if you'd like to play a cheap one. Plus the Devil is great at just 3 mana.
Angelic Renewal is basically a one time effect. While good, there are better recursion spells out there, but this one does fit the Angel theme so thats really cool. :D
Aside from that, I think that's a decent spread of enchantments. Nothing to add really, love the inclusion of the Sagas and Revel in Riches .
- Shiny Impetus is good for token generation, but don't play a sacrifice creature to have that player just get rid of it, deceptively good and bad.
The Eldest Reborn is also another good saga to include if you want another edict type effect, and when it does go off you can get what you want from players' graveyards.
The three signets for your colors, Arcane Signet as well.
Panharmonicon to double up on edict effects.
- Approach of the Second Sun : Does provide you an effective way to win, very good card for a deck like this especially if the game goes long.
- Brass's Bounty . Love it, not much else to say.
- Contract Killing fits the theme and the flavor. Love it.
- Damnable Pact is good card draw for you, and useful against someone who flies too close to the sun.
- Debt to the Deathless / Entreat the Angels . While both good, is not something you want to draw into early game or open with. I would highly suggest playing less finisher cards like these, but if you wanna play em don't let me stop you.
- Killing Wave . Love it, super good.
- Necrotic Hex . Expensive, but great effect.
- Excavation Technique is actually a really good spell. Synergizes with Magecraft like WoTC intended and is deceptive for your opponents.
- Increasing Devotion / Finale of Glory . One of these is better than the other. I'll let you decide which is which.
- Heartless Pillage / Seize the Spoils . I really like both of these cards as spells and thematically. They work well for Negan and as spells for you to Pillage and Loot with as you please.
- Ruinous Ultimatum / Tragic Arrogance : Both are fantastic, especially as finisher spells. I'd make a point to include both so you have an option when you're ready to win(IE: Revel in Riches in play with a ton of creatures on board, its akin to vandalblasting with a lettuce on board).
3 months ago
3 months ago
Just a few card suggestions to look into:
Debt to the Deathless - Pretty solid finisher when you have the mana.
Blind Obedience - I like it for the stax effect, but extort just gets better the more players you're up against.
Pristine Talisman - Life gain and ramp!
Witch of the Moors - This is definitely more of a me card, but I hate people and their creatures. This card supports that.
Do you also hit any draw issues? If you do, there might be some cards that draw for life like Phyrexian Arena .
5 months ago
5 months ago
It's your boy Jason.
Here's a bunch of cards that should be less than $1 that I think could be possible additions. Feel free to ignore me. Also this is Zach: Zjadler and this is Stephen: icefrigi if you want to check out their decks.
Ramp: Commander's Sphere
5 months ago
I’m fairly new to the game and new to edh, my apologizes if I’m not in the right section.
I’m currently looking at the precons and there’s a few I’d like to try but right now I think that getting just one is probably smarter in case I end up not liking the format.
In all the precon I looked at, these are the one that my lgs still have. I’m gonna list them one by one with a quick reason why I’m interested by them.
Commander - Devour for Power - The Mimeoplasm: I do like the idea of dumping stuff in my graveyard to basically make my commander into whatever I need for a particular situation, I recently bought a small collection with a Sheoldred, Whispering One, Mortivore, Golgari Grave-Troll, Lhurgoyf and Hermit Druid.
Commander - Political Puppet - Zedruu the Greathearted: The idea of casting curses on my opponents and giving them creatures to screw them over seems terribly funny and diabolical. Switching my Steel Golem for Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre would be a win for me even if I end up losing the game.
Commander 2015 - Call the Spirits - Daxos the Returned: Building an enchantment deck seemed fun and I also have cards like Sorin Markov with his -3 and cards line Debt to the Deathless or Exsanguinate in my collection for alternative way of winning the game.
Commander 2015 - Seize Control - Mizzix of the Izmagnus: It’s probably not the main goal of the deck but casting instant and sorcery with Talrand, Sky Summoner or Murmuring Mystic and having Crackling Drake on the board to swoop in with a bunch of flying drakes and birds on the board made me laugh.
Commander 2015 - Swell the Host - Ezuri, Claw of Progress: Ezuri just looked so badass and flooding the bord with a bunch of 2 and 1 power creatures and adding stuff like Craterhoof Behemoth and Beastmaster Ascension or using Triumph of the Hordes or even buffing them up with Ezuri + some proliferate triggers looked like sometimes that could be very scary for the table.
Sorry for the long post but There’s so many choices that I got lost and confused on what could be better a first deck.
Thanks for the help.
sub780lime on Liesa
5 months ago
I don't know if Ashnod's Altar is your best bet for additional ramp. I don't know if you are creating token at enough of a pace to make it worth it and I don't see much of another benefit to sacking your stuff. I still think Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers would be the best answer, but they sure aren't budget includes. On a budget, Cabal Stronghold can do nice work in 2 color or under decks in black. Another sometimes overlooked option is Black Market. Perhaps Ashnod's Altar was from a desire to sac what you have onboard to dump into your Exsanguinate or Debt to the Deathless. Knowing the liklihood you have a useful enough board state in any given game, I think you can probably find more utility out there as Ashnod's Altar will be dead in your hand or on board too often.