Helix Pinnacle

Helix Pinnacle



(X): Put X tower counters on Helix Pinnacle.

At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are 100 or more tower counters on Helix Pinnacle, you win the game.

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Helix Pinnacle Discussion

StoryArcher on Need suggestions for a green …

5 days ago

Don't know what your mana situation is, but maybe Helix Pinnacle?

Grasshoppeh1 on Lost and Afraid

1 month ago

Did a bit of Brainstorming last night

Potentially Temur Sabertooth might be good in my playgroup due to the amount of removal and ability to setup.

Rude Awakening + Temur Sabertooth + Eternal Witness + 11 mana == infinite mana and bounce/infinite ETB. Temur Sabertooth, plus any of my ETB or cast cards gives a lot of utility including extra draw, recurrence, removal, spot protection from removal.

I think this card is worth a shot with the amount of mana I have available most times. For the sake of theorycrafting we have to try it!! Who knows maybe if I wanted to go the jank route this would make Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Helix Pinnacle or Aetherflux Reservoir viable as a non-attack wincon. Testing needed,, wanted to vorinclex in my collection anyways.

For classic wincons,

For creatures, I feel like I could hold a sideboard of 15 fatties on me and swap them in and they would all feel equally viable. That said Kozilek, Butcher of Truth felt irreplaceable and thus is getting a perm mainboard. Prevents milling, draws cards, threat/wincon, resets my deck, nice with Life from the Loam.

Vorinclex like I've mentioned before accelerates the deck and give me more time. It's more of enabler than a combo piece itself. Potentially Defense of the Heart might work here too if I hadd him. It would also open up potentially a new archtype if I went with Aetherflux Reservoir + Temur Sabertooth.

As for the draw situation, we could build around it or just go with the classics.

Adding Guardian Project to the maybe board along with Beast Whisperer. They're not as "fast" as the other options, but guardian often times is a Harmonize or better and beast whisperer is tutorable draw!

Some classics are: Garruk, Primal Hunter which is a "5 mana draw spell", Shamanic Revelation is another Regal Force that works with tokens! Rishkar's Expertise is another garruk that has a ~70% chance to hit another spell. That percentile is potentially amazing due to the composition of the current deck.

On the fringe for: Zendikar Resurgent, vorinclex slowing down opponent's in that slot feels better as a mana doubler, and I could just play Guardian Project earlier if I was after the draw. This card feels like it's in a weird place. Might turn out to be just an expensive harmonize. Momentous Fall, I don't know how I feel about this yet. Generally it says, 4 mana sac a creature draw 2-6 cards. Feels like a card I would play when I'm ahead, not to get ahead. That said I could say the same for anything else that is not an etb draw, regal, or harmonize.

Next step I guess is to make a couple "Packages" and see how they fit the deck.

Grasshoppeh1 on Lost and Afraid

1 month ago


I might keep Scapeshift for now and cut later if needed. Being a mathy guy I understand deck thinning is a fallacy unless it is mass. Even if I was to net 7 cards by grabbing gaea's, fetch, fetch, fetch it is only increases what I want to get by a few percent until later. Drawing is much more power in terms of probability. If I need to I will cut scapeshift. Mind you it does add up, 2% better 3 draws later is 6%.

Yeh that makes since for Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger over the other one. The removal is valuable in green compared to just a single destruction. If I go the eldrazi route him and Kozilek, Butcher of Truth are really good.

Will think about wincons over night, kind want to have an array of options that way I get to one eventually. Different ways to play is not bad, cute swarm, tooth and nail, land drop creatures, crater, fatties,,,, vorinclex into Helix Pinnacle and become the target of the table lol

Saying that, I need GAASsSs, draw, cards. 15 slots left currently not including big fatties. Probably should focus on getting more cards into hand. Researching green card draw, added a bunch to the maybe board. Need to think about this.

Temporarily in the IRL deck I've replaced Mana Crypt with Jeweled Lotus until I can find one...

Grasshoppeh1 on Lost and Afraid

1 month ago

Profet93 Actually still in heavy prototyping. I started rebuilding the deck from scratch yesterday. Sorry in advance for the mess, putting together a bunch of the pieces again today.

I feel like my play group give me too much time to setup and there is not much in the way of heavy control around besides the occasional counter spell or Ghostly Prison. I will be honest, might even give me enough time to pull off a Helix Pinnacle.

Only reason I'm not running Mana Crypt, is I don't have one. I'm actually trying to acquire it. For the sake of building, accepted.

Genesis Wave is defiantly going into the deck

Horn of Greed Feels too powerful to cut, it's going back. You caught me in the middle of a full deck rebuild. It's not leaving :)

Deserted Temple is a good suggestion, accepted

Torn between Boundless Realms and Scapeshift. I want to run atleast one of them.

Sensei's Divining Top is a good suggestion, from my testing it feels a lot better than Sylvan Library. Tempted to put sylvan library on the potential cut list later.

Missed Fabled Passage! Thank you!

Ulvenwald Hydra feels good in the playground right now as a tutor for gaea's cradle or any other land I will be adding to the deck. In addition to that at any time there is a lot of flyers at my table. Tempted to keep him unless I can come to a better quick solution for flying like Whiptongue Hydra. Not sure yet honestly.

Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth will be needed, still sorting out the land base!

Scytec on Theros Ability: ̶O̶f̶f̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ - Worship

1 month ago

This is deceptively powerful. This mechanic with any type of untapper would essentially double the mana you have access to with either Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Nyx Lotus. Helix Pinnacle, Gary, any win condition that can be expedited via Devotion becomes considerably more powerful, and these are much more efficient. All of a sudden, the traditional way to build Devotion is almost not worth it. I don't think it works only because it defies the original idea of devotion as a mechanic, but it is not busted or over powered. I think it is balanced fine. Would be fun to build with though. For sure

BrassLord on Gnawty Girl

2 months ago

Having run other big green mana commanders, Command Beacon can help when your commander gets countered/killed. Road of Return does the same and also gives you some utility to boot! An early Geode Golem could quickly ramp and get out of hand!

On the jank/spicy side of things, if you chose to go more of a counters direction in terms of making the most treasure as possible, Helix Pinnacle MIGHT work. Kamahl, Fist of Krosa and Kamahl, Heart of Krosa are both mana sinks that can produce "creatures" and give needed trample boosts to your creatures. Biogenic Ooze Splitting Slime and even Centaur Glade are all ways for you to use the treasure accumulated from combat damage to produce even more creatures (admittedly not on a 1 to 1 level, but pretty dang cheaply)!

plakjekaas on Trouble with Helix Pinnacle...

2 months ago

If it's the only enchantment your friend is running, you could consider Pharika's Libation too, but it's not a certainty this will deal with the problem.

In the same lane as Caerwyn 's suggestion, there's Cleansing Meditation which (if tresholded) will retrigger your enchantress etb effects while leaving the Pinnacle destroyed.

Armageddon usually stops green decks from winning with Helix Pinnacle too, but I'd call that an acquired taste, it's not for everyone, proceed at your own risk '^^

Havok.Bane on Trouble with Helix Pinnacle...

2 months ago

So a friend of mine whom I play commander with frequently loves the card Helix Pinnacle. Now normally it's shroud isn't too much of a problem, so long as I use something like Bane of Progress, but when I'm playing my enchantment deck I don't want to be forced to wipe out all of my own enchantments just to take out his singular card...

So my question is does anyone have any card suggestions to somehow get around Helix Pinnacle's shroud and get rid of the thing?

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